Revelation 17:7-18 Who are these guys?

[Marty fox]

Marty, the quote above is from your post #29.

Galba is not king 7. The other 6 you have correct, all of the Julio-Claudian family.

From Wikipedia.... "Galba was not related to any of the emperors of the Julio-Claudian dynasty,"

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The ten horns (kings) will rule with the beast for one hour, Revelation 17:12. So those ten kings are end times kings, that have their crowns in Revelation 13:1, which there are 42 months left before Jesus returns. The beast rules for those 42 months.

One of the keys to understanding the various entities in Revelation 17 is to analyze the crowns/no crowns on the heads (kings) and horns (kings). See my post #28.

I never said that Galba was related to them but Galba was the 7th who had not yet come but reigned a short while he only rained for 7 months

 

[tailgator]

On the day of the Lord when the Medes have taken Babylon ransacking the houses and raping the women,will anyone on this board have figured out who the Medes even hate?

Come on

 

[Stumpmaster]

All three are a beast opposed to God.

Make an analysis of the crowns, no crowns, on the seven heads (kings) and ten horns (kings), like I did... for Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13.

As the metaphorical Dragon, Satan doesn't give up his sovereign control symbolised in the crowns on his 7 heads, but unregenerate humanity in the metaphorical portrayal as the Beast from the Sea rises up to achieve sovereignty of enforcement as symbolised by its 10 crowned horns. Revelation 17 gives an account of the 10 crowned horns in action once they are allowed sovereignty. Who they are in geopolitical terms is of no consequence to me.

Rev 17:12-13 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom yet, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast. (13) These have one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

 

[Douggg]

As the metaphorical Dragon, Satan doesn't give up his sovereign control symbolised in the crowns on his 7 heads, but unregenerate humanity in the metaphorical portrayal as the Beast from the Sea rises up to achieve sovereignty of enforcement as symbolised by its 10 crowned horns.

Stumpmaster, Satan is not any of the seven heads (kings). In Revelation 12:3, the seven heads (kings) have crowns. In Revelation 13:1, with 42 months left before Jesus returns, the seven heads (kings) have no crowns.

In Revelation 12, there are 7 years (Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14) before Jesus returns. Having the seven heads (kings) having crowns in that chapter indicates that king 7 has come to power.

In Revelation 13, there are 42 months (Revelation 13:5) before Jesus returns. No longer the seven heads have crowns, indicating that king 7 has been killed. i.e the mortally wounded, but healed head - to become the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

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"sovereignty of enforcement" the phrase you use for the beast of the sea is ambiguous. What are you taking about ? Are you meaning a kingdom that will exert its power over the rest of the world ?

 

[Douggg]

I never said that Galba was related to them but Galba was the 7th who had not yet come but reigned a short while he only rained for 7 months

Marty, the seven heads (kings) don't have their crowns in Revelation 17.

It is not until Revelation 12:3 that the seven heads (kings) have crowns. In Revelation 12, there are 7 years (Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14) before Jesus returns. Having the seven heads (kings) having crowns in that chapter indicates that king 7 has come to power some time before the 7 years begin. King 7 will be the little horn person (far left side on my chart below).

In Revelation 13, there are 42 months (Revelation 13:5) before Jesus returns. No longer the seven heads have crowns, indicating that king 7, the little horn, has been killed. i.e the mortally wounded, but healed head - as the little horn becomes the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

 

[CTK]

At the time of John receiving and recording this vision the five empires Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, had fallen as the oppressors of God's People. Political Rome was ruling over them in John's day, and Papal Rome was yet to come.

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Please consider the following if you do not mind:

"The seven heads are seven mountains" (this is, I believe the first time that the heads are referred to as or is also "mountains."

Connection to Daniel 7: The seven heads correspond to the kingdoms described in Daniel 7: Babylon (1 head), Medo-Persia (2 head representing its dual nature as a unified empire), and Greece (4 heads representing its divisions under Alexander's generals). These represent successive empires that opposed God and His people. Pagan Rome, although the fourth beast in Daniel, is not assigned a head in scripture but is recognized as the dominant consolidator of these earlier kingdoms.


The harlot’s (papacy) position on the top of the mountains shows her power over these kingdoms. She uses their strength to spread spiritual corruption, combining unfaithfulness to God with political power. The seven heads stand for historical kingdoms, while the mountains show how far their influence and control spread. The use of the word "mountains" is significant because it not only represents the nations and peoples found under the first three kingdoms in Daniel’s metal man image—Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece—but also includes the expanded territories of Alexander’s empire after his death. These territories were divided among his four generals, creating a much larger domain. When Pagan Rome became the fourth beast in Daniel’s image, it absorbed these expanded territories (Daniel 7:12) ruling over an even greater empire (mountains) than the first three kingdoms combined. The pagan Roman
Empire would be slain and its body destoryed (Daniel 7:11), and its successor would come to be known as papal Rome headed by the little horn of Daniel. Thus, the harlot would inherit quite a sizeable and powerful force that was once pagan Rome. This emphasizes how the harlot’s actions affect the entire world and how rebellion against God keeps happening throughout history.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Connection to Daniel 7:

I don't reference Daniel when the disclosure made to John doesn't.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Stumpmaster, Satan is not any of the seven heads (kings).

I didn't say he was. Seriously!

 

[CTK]

I don't reference Daniel when the disclosure made to John doesn't.

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[Stumpmaster]

Having the seven heads (kings) having crowns in that chapter indicates that king 7 has come to power.

The Seven Crowned Heads of the Dragon represent the inherent sovereignty of Satan himself exercising complete corporate control over the principalities and powers under his control. The same template applies to the Beast from the Sea who we originally see in Revelation 13 but with no crowned heads and therefore no sovereignty of the complete corporate control that is symbolised by the number seven. We are later given clues in Revelation 17 as to what each of the heads of the Beast represents in terms of earthly kingdoms.

 

[Stumpmaster]

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Yeah. Give it a try.

 

[Truth7t7]

five is spiritually half of seven ?

What number then is spiritually half of ten ?

I let everyone know $20 is a spiritual $100 dollars, because Douggg says so, Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

We are later given clues in Revelation 17 as to what each of the heads of the Beast represents in terms of earthly kingdoms.

You falsely claim The 7 heads are earthly kingdoms, God's words clearly explain the heads as literal "Mountains"!

Can't you have just a little decency in your description "Please"!

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[ewq1938]

You falsely claim The 7 heads are earthly kingdoms, God's words clearly explain the heads as literal "Mountains"!

Can't you have just a little decency in your description "Please"!

There was no lack of decency in their definition. You are protesting too much in exaggeration. Disagree with his definition if you want, but there was no indecency in it.

 

[rockytopva]

Will the beast be of Artificial Intelligence? Robotic? Will his currency be bitcoin? Will it take a swipe of a mark to buy of sell? Will it be named something like Nero making it , "the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." ???

 

[Douggg]

The Seven Crowned Heads of the Dragon represent the inherent sovereignty of Satan himself exercising complete corporate control over the principalities and powers under his control. The same template applies to the Beast from the Sea who we originally see in Revelation 13 but with no crowned heads and therefore no sovereignty of the complete corporate control that is symbolised by the number seven. We are later given clues in Revelation 17 as to what each of the heads of the Beast represents in terms of earthly kingdoms.

You are not communicating in an understandable way.

There are seven kings and ten kings on the beast opposed to God.

 

[ewq1938]

You are not communicating in an understandable way.

There are seven kings and ten kings on the beast opposed to God.

No, 7 mountains with ten kings ruling ten kingdoms within those places. There's no other kings associated with the first beast.

Heads are not horns, and horns are not heads. They shouldn't be conflated as the same things.

 

[Douggg]

No, 7 mountains with ten kings ruling ten kingdoms within those places. There's no other kings associated with the first beast.

Heads are not horns, and horns are not heads. They shouldn't be conflated as the same things.

The issue is what has been historic and what is end times.

The seven heads are...
1. the place where the woman sits. (Rome) The woman is the Vatican
2. seven kings associated with that location. They are seven kings of the Roman Empire - the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7.

Six of the seven kings are historic. In the end times, the seventh king will be the little horn which emerges out from the ten kings of the end times. The little horn later becomes the beast-king.

The ten horns are ten kings that will rule with the beast-king for one hour (42 months) - end times.

The ten end times kings destroy the woman (the Vatican) during the reign of the beast-king, during that 42 months.

It gets complicated, I know, to try and explain with just words. That is why I made this chart...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Interpretations? Please give me the identities of these actors… Are we not supposed to interpret these verses and understand His messages and prophecies?

As for their names- I cannot identify them. As to the name of the "world church" that also is unknown at this time. As to the identity of the Antichrist- also once again we do not know who this man is yet. We just know he will come, there will be ten rulers who yield to him and there will be a false religious system that at first supports the antichrist and in the end isw hated by him.

anything more than that is "interpretation" or guessing and that is not something a believer is allowed to do with gods word.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty, the seven heads (kings) don't have their crowns in Revelation 17.

It is not until Revelation 12:3 that the seven heads (kings) have crowns. In Revelation 12, there are 7 years (Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14) before Jesus returns. Having the seven heads (kings) having crowns in that chapter indicates that king 7 has come to power some time before the 7 years begin. King 7 will be the little horn person (far left side on my chart below).

In Revelation 13, there are 42 months (Revelation 13:5) before Jesus returns. No longer the seven heads have crowns, indicating that king 7, the little horn, has been killed. i.e the mortally wounded, but healed head - as the little horn becomes the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.


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Even without crowns the bible still calls them kings.

So you believe that satan has the same power as Jesus to raise the dead?