Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

[Verily]

The Lord had given me the same understanding in 2019 when COVID was declared a pandemic.
AMEN, Praise the Lord for his witness to us both, and all who testify to the same!!

Its a scripture relax

 

[TribulationSigns]

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In Ezekiel 28:13. Satan was created perfect, but decided he wanted to be worshiped like God. In Ezekiel 28:16-19 is Satan's future, to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12.

Big mistake. It was not Satan. Not celestical being. It was a fallen man, illustrating original man in Adam! I can understand it's hard for you to bring the traditional doctrine of Satan. Truthfully!

The source of confusion is the mention of the Cherub in Ezekiel 28:14. The passage in question quite clearly declares that the person it is speaking about as the covering Cherub is the king of Tyrus, not an angel. Nevertheless, certainly we can understand their logic, if not their entrenchment. They "assume" that because the reference here says the king was in the Garden of Eden, it has to refer to Satan as a fallen angel. And from this they surmise that God is using the king as a type of Satan. However, without Biblical warrant, we cannot make such a leap of faith in interpretation. The rule of thumb applies that "assumption is the mother of error." He was called the anointed cherub because he was representative man, created in the likeness of God in Adam, and has fallen to sin and lost all semblance of the image of God. Clearly, the King of Tyrus waws not in the Garden of Eden, nor perfect in beauty as Adam was, but he is representative of mankind and his degradation.

Ezekiel 28:12-16

• "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
• Thou hast been in Eden the Garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
• Thou art the anointed Cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
• Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
• By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering Cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire."

At first glance it is easy to see how one could make such a mistake about the king representing a fallen angel. However, rather than "reading into this text" an angel, the king of Tyrus is quite clearly a man being castigated by God for being created in the image of God to be righteous, but who has turned from God in his sin and thus come under judgment. So rather than represent a fallen angel, this represents FALLEN MAN. It illustrates original man in Adam, created good (Genesis 1:26-27) in the image/likeness of God before the fall. Man, as he was created without sin, but who has fallen in Adam, losing the glory of the likeness of God he was created with. Thus because of his fall and our inheritance of his spirit of bondage to disobedience, we are all subject to death. But thanks to our God, that full glory of God's image can be restored in Christ Jesus. Thus He is often referred to as the second Adam.
1st Corinthians 15:20-22

• "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
• For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
• For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Now we can see the spiritual darkness begin to clear as we can see more of the picture. We were 'all' created in the image of God in Adam. The sin of Adam separated man from that image of God. And in the process, it separated all of us in generations to follow from that likeness. It was man who was perfect in the mountain (Kingdom) of God. But sin was found in us, and we all died in Adam (1st Corinthians 15:20-22) and are come under judgment as surely as King Tyrus had. And except we are restored to the image of God that 'man' had in the garden, we remain fallen and subject to the wrath of God. The king of Tyrus is man directly from the loins of Adam, who can only be restored to the image of God, in the second Adam, which is Christ.
Romans 8:29

• "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

It should be self-evident that (according to scripture) it was man (Adam) and not angels who were in the Garden of Eden where every precious stone was his covering. It was Adam who was the anointed Cherub that covereth upon the Holy mountain of God because He was the very image/likeness of the Glory of God. It was Adam who walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (in the presence of God) in that Garden. In point of fact, the very name "Tyrus" means a stone. So it's quite obvious to me what is being illustrated here. It was in Adam that man was in the image of God and perfect in all his ways in the garden from the day that he was created, until iniquity was found in him (the fall). And the fall of the king of Tyrus in his sinfulness "personifies" this fall from God's image by Adam. God is illustrating to fallen man that we qualify by attempting to be like God in eating of the tree of knowledge without wisdom. Man qualifies for "all" that we read in Ezekiel 28:12-16. But Angels do not qualify. We interpret scripture by scripture, not by popular assumptions. And not once do we read of angels in the Garden of Eden. Not once do we read of angels falling in the Garden of Eden. Not once do we read of angels being corrupted because of knowledge. Not once do we read of angels defiling their sanctuaries by the multitude of their iniquities. On the contrary, we read of man in the garden, man was perfect there from the time he was created, and man is the one who fell there. And let's not forget, did not God say these very things of Adam?

Genesis 3:22

• "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

It is man who was corrupted because of knowledge, not angels. He sought to be as God by his disobedience in eating of the tree of knowledge, and it was this that caused his fall in the day he transgressed. Satan in the Garden of Eden didn't have every precious stone his covering, but Adam was made glorious, precious in the sight of the Lord. Satan was not set the anointed Cherub that covereth upon the holy mountain of God, but scripture says Adam (man) was created in the very image of God so that this definition is consistent. In point of fact, everything in the Garden of Eden, including the serpent, was 'under dominion of Adam,' (Genesis 1:26-28;3:1) as He was perfect. Adam was the very likeness or image of God. ..as a Cherub.

Genesis 1:26-27

• "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
• So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Letting the scripture be its own interpreter, we must ask where is it written in scripture that Satan was created in the image of God (as a Cherub) in the Garden of Eden? We don't read that of Satan, but we do read that of man. Scripture does not say that Satan was perfect in the day He was created until his fall, but God created Adam (man) perfect, without sin, with free access to the tree of life until the day of his fall. In all of scripture, there is no one (besides Christ, the God man) whom God declares was created perfect, except Adam. This in itself should illustrate to us that the king of Tyrus "personifies" man who had everything, and lost it in the fall. In fact the very language, "perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created," clearly harkens back to the creation of Adam.

Genesis 5:1-2

• "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
• Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

So again, it all points to the King of Tyrus as a representation of fallen Man, not of an angel nor Satan. Adam walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire and had no reason to hide from God before the fall. All these things which God speaks of concerning the King of Tyrus, applies to Adam before the fall. He was the very image of God (cherub) from the day that he was created, till iniquity was found in him. And by the multitude of his iniquity is there violence, and he has sinned, and therefore will God cast him as profane out of His Mountain. When God says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus," it is a lamentation for man, not for Satan, nor for fallen angels. When God says, "I will destroy thee, O covering Cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire," it speaks of the judgment of man, and how He is come under the wrath of God.

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[TribulationSigns]

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And so the support for the Cherub being an angel is not really as sound as many people might think. The symbolic image of the Cherubim, that John, Isaiah and Ezekiel saw, were a pictorial figure of the glory of God. And the Ark of the Covenant, the Mercy Seat, and Lord, dwelling with the Cherubim, illustrated that the tabernacle of God is with men, and that He would dwell with them, and they would be his people, and He their God. It's the personal relationship of the Creator, to His people.

2nd Kings 19:15

• "And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the Cherubim, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth."

Psalms 99:1-2

• The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the Cherubim; let the earth be moved.
• The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people."

Cherubim are the watchers and guardians over the Holiness and person of the Lord. It is their spiritual responsibility to be the fiery judge of anything that is unholy that should come into God's presence (Gen. 3:24). And who could there possibly be as guardian over God, but God. Is there anyone higher, stronger, or who could protect the way of the tree of Life better than God? Does God need angels to watch over Him? This was the likeness or image of the Glory of God, just as it is written. And it illustrates God's terribleness, His Kingship over all that Creation, and His personal relationship with His people. The Lord is not making His habitation in the Mercy Seat dwelling with angels overshadowing Him, He dwells in the Glory of God, in the very Image of God, because He and the Father are one. If anything, He overshadows the messengers of God, not vice-versa.

And because the elect are returned to the image of Christ, Cherubim will also have the connotation of illustrating a certain representation of redeemed humanity in the body of Christ. Through Christ we see our fellowship, our companionship with God is through this work of Christ. We again have that Garden of Eden communion through the Lord Jesus Christ, when we are conformed to God's perfect image (Romans 8:29). We may not be able to understand perfectly this symbolism of the Cherubim relationship, but the image of God is there for all to see.

2nd Corinthians 3:18

• "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the Glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

What Are Cherubim? The Cherubim are symbolic imagery of the Glory of God Himself, and are intimately related to man. God is said to ride upon the Cherubim, because it is symbolic of the vehicle whereby man is both judged and restored to the Glory of God. The symbolic figure of His strength of battle, as it appears a chariot and horses of fire, all paint a very enlightening portrait. His feet walk among the stones of fire to illustrate that the Glory of God is seen in coals of fire as a furnace, signifying His wrath and judgment. But the Cherubim not only illustrate a representation of His judgments upon man, but also of His communion, sacrifice, love, mercy, protection and care for the believer. For the Cherubim "are" the appearance of the very likeness of the Glory of the LORD (Ezekiel 1:28). A glory that can be seen of man, and the key is in the symbolism so prevalent in its illustration.

 

[Earburner]

Its a scripture relax

When the Holy Spirit reveals a manifestation of scripture to you, in the moment that it is being fulfilled in the world, we should Praise God!!
He is personally directing us, so that we don't become decieved.

2 Thes. 2
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Tim. 1
[7] For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

By His guidance from within, through the scriptures of Rev. 9, I continue to remain "unjabbed".

 

[Earburner]

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And so the support for the Cherub being an angel is not really as sound as many people might think. The symbolic image of the Cherubim, that John, Isaiah and Ezekiel saw, were a pictorial figure of the glory of God. And the Ark of the Covenant, the Mercy Seat, and Lord, dwelling with the Cherubim, illustrated that the tabernacle of God is with men, and that He would dwell with them, and they would be his people, and He their God. It's the personal relationship of the Creator, to His people.

2nd Kings 19:15

• "And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the Cherubim, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth."

Psalms 99:1-2

• The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the Cherubim; let the earth be moved.
• The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people."

Cherubim are the watchers and guardians over the Holiness and person of the Lord. It is their spiritual responsibility to be the fiery judge of anything that is unholy that should come into God's presence (Gen. 3:24). And who could there possibly be as guardian over God, but God. Is there anyone higher, stronger, or who could protect the way of the tree of Life better than God? Does God need angels to watch over Him? This was the likeness or image of the Glory of God, just as it is written. And it illustrates God's terribleness, His Kingship over all that Creation, and His personal relationship with His people. The Lord is not making His habitation in the Mercy Seat dwelling with angels overshadowing Him, He dwells in the Glory of God, in the very Image of God, because He and the Father are one. If anything, He overshadows the messengers of God, not vice-versa.

And because the elect are returned to the image of Christ, Cherubim will also have the connotation of illustrating a certain representation of redeemed humanity in the body of Christ. Through Christ we see our fellowship, our companionship with God is through this work of Christ. We again have that Garden of Eden communion through the Lord Jesus Christ, when we are conformed to God's perfect image (Romans 8:29). We may not be able to understand perfectly this symbolism of the Cherubim relationship, but the image of God is there for all to see.

2nd Corinthians 3:18

• "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the Glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

What Are Cherubim? The Cherubim are symbolic imagery of the Glory of God Himself, and are intimately related to man. God is said to ride upon the Cherubim, because it is symbolic of the vehicle whereby man is both judged and restored to the Glory of God. The symbolic figure of His strength of battle, as it appears a chariot and horses of fire, all paint a very enlightening portrait. His feet walk among the stones of fire to illustrate that the Glory of God is seen in coals of fire as a furnace, signifying His wrath and judgment. But the Cherubim not only illustrate a representation of His judgments upon man, but also of His communion, sacrifice, love, mercy, protection and care for the believer. For the Cherubim "are" the appearance of the very likeness of the Glory of the LORD (Ezekiel 1:28). A glory that can be seen of man, and the key is in the symbolism so prevalent in its illustration.

For all of your words, Adam was NOT created perfect.
Adam did not recieve anything "breathed" from God, that verifies God's own Life of perfection, as God Himself is. Does anyone here understand the gaseous element of Oxygen?
Lev. 17
[11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
In his creation, before his fall, Adam was still void of Eternal existence of any kind.
Gen. 3:22-24
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Edit: as for the Cheribum, I think that you have "lost the plot" through "the wisdom of men".
1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [Anointing] of God.

Isa. 14
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are entitled to interpret Revelation as you like.

No one is entitled to interpret Revelation. or any other book. We are to accept and obey. The bible itself will tell us if it is not to be understood literally. Interpreting Scripture, especially books like revelation is one of trhe reasons why the body of Christ is such a mess. People intepreting things their own way when Peter specifically wrote we are forbidden to do that.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here are my thoughts / interpretations....

Revelation 9:7-10 provides a richly symbolic description of the locusts, offering a deeper understanding of their nature, purpose, and connection to Satan’s intensified efforts during the 5th trumpet. These locusts, far from being literal insects, represent spiritual and systemic forces, newly empowered by Satan’s release from the abyss. Their mission aligns with the little horn (papacy) as they strive to deceive, torment, and suppress truth during the final period of harvest, marked by the preaching of the 144,000.

The locusts are described as resembling horses prepared for battle, signaling their readiness and aggression in spiritual warfare. They wear something like golden crowns, symbolizing a claim to authority and victory. However, these crowns are counterfeit, representing the false authority of the papacy, now bolstered by Satan’s influence. Their human-like faces reflect intelligence and cunning, illustrating their manipulative and deceptive strategies to control and mislead.

Further details enhance this imagery. The locusts have hair like women, symbolizing their allure and seductive power, and teeth like lions, representing their destructive potential. This duality captures the seductive yet devastating nature of Satan’s influence, working through systems like the little horn to maintain control over humanity. They wear breastplates of iron, signifying an impenetrable resolve and connection to the iron strength of the fourth kingdom described in Daniel’s prophecies. The sound of their wings is compared to the noise of chariots rushing into battle, emphasizing their overwhelming and far-reaching impact as they unleash torment on unsealed humanity.

Their tails, like scorpions with stings, highlight the torment they inflict—not physical but spiritual and psychological. This torment affects those who continue in rebellion, symbolizing the despair, fear, and inner turmoil that arise from separation from God’s truth. The imagery reflects the oppressive systems and false teachings perpetuated by the little horn, now infused with Satan’s full power. This activity aligns with the symbolic harvest period, the time between the spring and fall feasts. The five-month timeline mirrors the lifespan of locusts and underscores Satan’s desperate attempt to disrupt the final harvest. Despite their power, the locusts’ actions are limited by God, highlighting His sovereignty and the protection He extends to the 144,000 and others who show signs of repentance.

In this vivid depiction, the locusts reveal the unholy alliance between demonic forces and the earthly systems under Satan’s influence. Their relentless attack during this period reflects Satan’s awareness that his time is short, as he strives to resist God’s ultimate plan. Yet their limitations affirm God’s authority and the certainty of His victory, serving as both a warning to the unrepentant and a reassurance of protection for His faithful.

And you nor anyone else can verify you rpersonal interpretation as being from god.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I have been guilty of doing this for many years until one day god showed that this is just pride and ego wishing to make a mark on Scripture and others. Why is it we feel that God needs an interpreter?

Jesus spoke so that little children could understand. This attitude is mysticism in the guise of Christian revelation! Like God intentionally hid the truth from His people and then entrusted the "interpretation" to a few enlightened!

 

[Verily]

When the Holy Spirit reveals a manifestation of scripture to you, in the moment that it is being fulfilled in the world, we should Praise God!!

But you just quoted my post on a single verse of scripture (Luke 10:19), taking it out of the rest of the verses and never said anything concerning what was revealed to you.

The next verse is Luke 10:20 where Jesus actually reveals what he is speaking of concerning the scorpions here, when he says,

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

He is speaking of "spirits" not vaccines

So when you said,

"The Lord had given me the same understanding in 2019 when COVID was declared a pandemic.
AMEN, Praise the Lord for his witness to us both, and all who testify to the same!!"

That just makes no sense, let alone how the Holy Spirit would manifest that scripture. The next verse shows us what Jesus is talking about and its not "jabs".

So when you responded back saying,

By His guidance from within, through the scriptures of Rev. 9, I continue to remain "unjabbed".

I wouldnt say that you made a bad decision remaining unjabbed its just that is not what it is talking about.

 

[Earburner]

But you just quoted my post on a single verse of scripture (Luke 10:19), taking it out of the rest of the verses and never said anything concerning what was revealed to you.

The next verse is Luke 10:20 where Jesus actually reveals what he is speaking of concerning the scorpions here, when he says,

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

He is speaking of "spirits" not vaccines

So when you said,

"The Lord had given me the same understanding in 2019 when COVID was declared a pandemic.
AMEN, Praise the Lord for his witness to us both, and all who testify to the same!!"

That just makes no sense, let alone how the Holy Spirit would manifest that scripture. The next verse shows us what Jesus is talking about and its not "jabs".

So when you responded back saying,

By His guidance from within, through the scriptures of Rev. 9, I continue to remain "unjabbed".

I wouldnt say that you made a bad decision remaining unjabbed its just that is not what it is talking about.

I read both of your posts #3 and 4, to which I agree.
Many apply those scriptures of Luke 10:19-20 to be only spiritual in meaning, and therefore they conclude that the manifestations are spiritual only also.

However, if we are to apply the reality of what demons do through physical men of this world, we call it "witchcraft", and other such words that denote their wicked activity.

You should consider the meaning of the word witchcraft KJV Gal. 5:20 in the Greek and the definition:
Φαρμακείο- pharmakeia- pharmacy

Strong's #5331: pharmakeia (pronounced far-mak-i'-ah)
from 5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):--sorcery, witchcraft.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
pharmakeia
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4) metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from G5332

Usage:
This word is used 3 times:

Galatians 5:20: "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,"
Revelation 9:21: "murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their"
Revelation 18:23: "of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations"

 

[Verily]

I read both of your posts #3 and 4, to which I agree.
Many apply those scriptures of Luke 19:19-20 to be only spiritual in meaning, and thereore they conclude that the manifestations are spiritual only.

However, if we are to apply the reality of what demons do through physical men of this world, we call it "witchcraft", and other such words that denote their wicked activity.
You should consider the meaning of the word witchcraft Gal. 5:20 in the Greek and the definition:
Φαρμακείο- pharmakeia

Strong's #5331: pharmakeia (pronounced far-mak-i'-ah)
from 5332; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively):--sorcery, witchcraft.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
pharmakeia
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4) metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Part of Speech: noun feminine
Relation: from G5332

Usage:
This word is used 3 times:

Galatians 5:20: "Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,"
Revelation 9:21: "murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their"
Revelation 18:23: "of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations"

Yes, I do realize this Earburner. However, when you pulled Luke 10:19 out of that mix that was not speaking of Pharmakeia there, and the next verse revealed what Jesus was speaking of in verse 19, that is all.

 

[Earburner]

No one is entitled to interpret Revelation. or any other book. We are to accept and obey. The bible itself will tell us if it is not to be understood literally. Interpreting Scripture, especially books like revelation is one of trhe reasons why the body of Christ is such a mess. People intepreting things their own way when Peter specifically wrote we are forbidden to do that.

According to the Holy Spirit in Paul, He says that we are to compare spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor. 2
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The book of Rev. is highly symbolic, aka signified and coded, being very Spiritual, because the words come directly from God the Father Himself, whose thoughts and ways are NOT like ours. Rev. 1:1; Isa. 55:8-9.

Therefore, without the indwelling of His Holy Spirit, as our sole teacher, the words of Revelation will only be understood by the natural human mind of "the natural man", which knows nothing of the things of God.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Therefore, we who are born again of God's Holy Spirit HAVE EVERY RIGHT to interpret the book of Revelation, for it is WE WHO it is written FOR!!
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Earburner]

Yes, I do realize this Earburner. However, when you pulled Luke 10:19 out of that mix that was not speaking of Pharmakeia there, and the next verse revealed what Jesus was speaking of in verse 19, that is all.

My point is, there is a reason why Jesus used the word scorpion, when the word serpent was sufficient in Luke 10:19.
The reason is, Jesus was going to use that word again in Revelation 9:1-11, but this time it would be to describe a literal prophetic event in time, whereby those who are "sealed" by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit would not be hurt by the medical innoculation, that was implemented on a global scale by the WHO of the UN. Rev. 9:4-5.

So then, let's look at it this way in the following, and then maybe by God's Holy Spirit, you can make the connection.
In Revelation 9:1-11, the "scorpion sting" is a literal manifestation of prophecy, revealing the evil will of satan's subtil benevolence, to bring about his goal of World Peace and Safety through the UN. 1 Thes. 5:3.

KJV Luke 10
[19] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing [of the enemy] shall by any means HURT you
[those who are Born Again of His Holy Spirit].

The symbolic word of a "scorpion", used in Rev. 9:1-11, is definitely relative to the literal manifestation of Satan to HURT men, by literally stinging them, using people who have the medical authority to do so.
[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were [literal] stings in their tails: and their power was to HURT men five months.

Now please notice, though the sting shall literally hurt men, like that of "when a scorpion STRIKES a man", the intention is not to kill them, but rather it has all the subtil appearance of medically saving people from that which is a fabricated threat of death, such as COVID.

Since we all know that literal Scorpions do inject venom into their victims, what is it that has been injected by MEDICAL hyperdermic needles, into the billions of victims by satan's "scorpion sting", when in all actuality, COVID is nothing but the "Common Flu"?

There are many, many Doctors, Nurses, Clinitians and Embalmers coming forward and testifying of the corruption they have witnessed during the supposed COVID pandemic.
As a result, you should do your own research, so that you may discover for yourself whether COVID was either a literal "pandemic" or a plan of a "scam-demic" by the "WHO" of the UN, for Global World Governance.
1 Thes. 5:3

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to the Holy Spirit in Paul, He says that we are to compare spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor. 2
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The book of Rev. is highly symbolic, aka signified and coded, being very Spiritual, because the words come directly from God the Father Himself, whose thoughts and ways are NOT like ours. Rev. 1:1; Isa. 55:8-9.

Therefore, without the indwelling of His Holy Spirit, as our sole teacher, the words of Revelation will only be understood by the natural human mind of "the natural man", which knows nothing of the things of God.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Therefore, we who are born again of God's Holy Spirit HAVE EVERY RIGHT to interpret the book of Revelation, for it is WE WHO it is written FOR!!
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And when one disagrees with your "judging spiritual by spiritual" and they say they received it spiritually, what is your answer to them? or to the dozens of others who have made their own private interpretation.

What is your response to one who says that teh physical resurrection of Jesus is just symbolic and must be judged and understood spiritually?

I am willing to bet that you accept vast portions of Scripture as literally written.

You have totally misunderstood whatr Paul wrote in Corinthians and you then accuse vast swaths of believers as being unsaved (natural man) and call theim foolish and not wanting to receive the things of God, just because they disagree with you.

 

[Earburner]

And when one disagrees with your "judging spiritual by spiritual" and they say they received it spiritually, what is your answer to them? or to the dozens of others who have made their own private interpretation.

Private interpretations are derived by the wisdom of men through scholarly learning by the mind of "the natural man". Unfortunately, the majority of professing Christians are saturated by denominational traditions and the doctrines of men, aka church-ianity**.
John 14:26; 1 John 2:27.

What is your response to one who says that teh physical resurrection of Jesus is just symbolic and must be judged and understood spiritually?

After Jesus' bodily resurrection, He physically walked around for 40 days later. The recorded personal testimonies in the gospels attest to the fact that Jesus' resurrection was both physical and spiritual. How did He enter into the "upper rooom" to be with the disciples, when all the doors were shut, for fear of the Jews?
John 20:19

I am willing to bet that you accept vast portions of Scripture as literally written.

Of course I do. However, those scriptures that speak of spiritual things, are to be compared to that which is spiritual.

You have totally misunderstood whatr Paul wrote in Corinthians and you then accuse vast swaths of believers as being unsaved (natural man) and call theim foolish and not wanting to receive the things of God, just because they disagree with you.

Actually no. I do understand what the Holy Spirit means through Paul's words in 1 Cor. ch. 5. My only ambition is to point people to Paul's teaching, so that they can know that they have no need that any man teach them (1John 2:27), because of the Holy Spirit within them. John 14:26.

**Therefore, "church-ianity" is the culprit and cause of everyone's confusion.

 

[Brakelite]

We do not deny that the plague of locusts did take place literally in Egypt in the Old Testament. But they have spiritual signifincation and it does not mean that the locusts of Revelation 9 will take place again literally! How. Yeah. kinda abstruse, isn't it?

It's a continuation of fanciful "literal" interpretations of an obviously symbolic book. Premillennialism, as well as Preterism are a continuation of the failed system of the Judaizers, looking for earthly reigns, kingdoms, liberty and nations. This particular one taking it to the ultimate degree by attempting to make the literal sores take place in a literally in Egypt, where the nation Israel literally is brought back into bondage to that nation. It just keeps getting "curiou-er and curious-er." This is the logical conclusion one comes to when they have an unsound hermeneutic that attempts to take prophecy of sores, battles, locusts, nations, stars falling to earth, frogs, famines and plagues, in a very literal way. One is forced to do all sorts of exegetical and hermeneutical gymnastics in order to get around the obvious inconsistencies of such a system. The fact is, Israel is NOT coming into bondage again in Egypt, the plagues are not poured upon the physical nation of Egypt, and the sores and locusts loosed upon the wicked are NOT Physical sores and locusts, nor do they represent flying attack planes, like that drone show or the physical skin lesions from nuclear radiation, space clouds or any other such speculation.

Just stop it! Think! The sores are spiritual ulsers illustrating those who receive them are unclean or spiritually sick! That's all they represent. And the Egypt upon which the plagues are poured is spiritual Egypt, the unfaithful church whose character has become spiritually "AS" Egypt. Christians need to stop with the idle speculations and private interpretations of Scripture and allow God's word to be the authority of what is in view.

Revelation 11:7-8

• "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
• And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

Is this a literal Beast, a literal abyss he and the locusts come out of, a literal Jerusalem? Not at all!! This city is spiritually the city of Jerusalem (which is the New Testament congregation of God) and it is characterized by spiritual bondage so that it has become spiritually as Egypt. It didn't turn physically into Egypt didn't she? But its character is just as Egypt's was! Thus, being "spiritually" as Egypt before God, He pours out upon it the judgment plagues of Egypt, spiritually, and the city falls and Babylon comes into remembrance before God.

Why aren't we listening? It is because there was no listening that this judgment was poured out in the first place!! There's no physical locusts, rivers of blood or sores of Egypt because there's NO physical Egypt in view here, and physical locusts don't come out of the smoke of an abyss! That is why many people don't get it! That whole idea is man's vivid imagination like I am reading here! Unbelievable! Will we also take the great Harlot and the kings who commit fornication with her literally, or is this just another of the inconsistent and unilateral (pick and choose) interpretations theologians uses to arbitrarily decide what is literal and what is symbolic? I keep hearing that the Beast is symbolic but the mark that the beast puts on people is literal? HUH?! How is that a consistent hermeneutic in any way whatsoever? NONE! It's just this type confusion that permeates the church and leaves everyone wondering ...where is truth! All the rampant speculations about these plagues upon the earth today are just that--speculation. Physical Nations at war with each other, A new Temples being built, attacks by Russia or Iraq on Israel, a Messiah coming to reign physically on a throne in middle eastern Jerusalem, it's all from the imaginations of men. Blah, blah, blah... Sadly, it is the same confusion that fell upon the children of Israel when Christ came the first time! Why? Because it was their eyes were also dim where they couldn't see the trees for the forest. Christ came to heal our spiritual blindness. May God open our eyes!




Yes, this pictures that there will be many more false prophets and christs than ever in the New Testament congregation (Church) today prior to Second Coming! Not 70AD!



Trees, herbs, and green things, as well as the river of water often refers to the Gospel that supports the city (Egypt)



Again, the false prophets and false christs will undermine the gospel, leading to the judgment of those in the congregation who have not yet been sealed by God. This includes individuals who may accept the mark of the beast in order to participate in buying and selling the false doctrines that originate from the mouths of these false prophets and christs. They will be the ones who will seek death (in christ) or have desire to die (in christ) but will not find salvation at that time!

While I don't agree with every detail, I certainly agree in principle with what you say here. One detail i agree with is the 5 months being symbolic. It's 150 years. A day for a year like all other prophetic time periods.

 

[amigo de christo]

No one is entitled to interpret Revelation. or any other book. We are to accept and obey. The bible itself will tell us if it is not to be understood literally. Interpreting Scripture, especially books like revelation is one of trhe reasons why the body of Christ is such a mess. People intepreting things their own way when Peter specifically wrote we are forbidden to do that.

 

[amigo de christo]

While I don't agree with every detail, I certainly agree in principle with what you say here. One detail i agree with is the 5 months being symbolic. It's 150 years. A day for a year like all other prophetic time periods.

yea rather lets examine and compare it to scripture . Notice one hundred and fifty days
is also mentioned in THE RAINS during the days of noah . now also take note the three and one half years , the twelve hundred and sixty days ,
the forty two months in the book revelation chapter eleven , twelve and thirteen . Same amount of time
and its occuring during the same time . , the three and one half years of the heavens gave no rain
in the days of elisha . Troubling times indeed . OH i do know at times a day sure can represent a year
as we see GOD tell the prophet to lay on his side forty days , each day representing a year .
But that be not the case in revelation and this five months .

 

[TribulationSigns]

While I don't agree with every detail, I certainly agree in principle with what you say here. One detail i agree with is the 5 months being symbolic. It's 150 years. A day for a year like all other prophetic time periods.

Of course, many people don't agree because they have a carnal mind - looking for literal fulfillment to fit their flawed doctrine. Not surprised.

Five months is not equivalent to 150 years. Instead, it represents a spiritual period—the time between the loosening of the locusts and the Second Coming. Since we cannot determine the exact beginning and end of this period, only God knows the true timeline.

 

[Earburner]

yea rather lets examine and compare it to scripture . Notice one hundred and fifty days
is also mentioned in THE RAINS during the days of noah . now also take note the three and one half years , the twelve hundred and sixty days ,
the forty two months in the book revelation chapter eleven , twelve and thirteen . Same amount of time
and its occuring during the same time . , the three and one half years of the heavens gave no rain
in the days of elisha . Troubling times indeed . OH i do know at times a day sure can represent a year
as we see GOD tell the prophet to lay on his side forty days , each day representing a year .
But that be not the case in revelation and this five months .

"Rain" is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, as in the "early rain" and the "latter rain".

During the joint minisistry of John the Baptist and Jesus [Zech. 4:14], who both ONLY were born with the Holy Spirit, it did not symbolically "rain" on the earth (people), except THROUGH THEM for 3.5 years.

Therefore, whosoever does not NOW obey the Gospel of Christ, and is of unbelief, there shall be NO RAIN upon them.

 

[Verily]

My point is, there is a reason why Jesus used the word scorpion, when the word serpent was sufficient in Luke 10:19.

That makes no sense, they are mentioned here together as well.

Deut 8:15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;

The reason is, Jesus was going to use that word again in Revelation 9:1-11, but this time it would be to describe a literal prophetic event in time, whereby those who are "sealed" by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit would not be hurt by the medical innoculation, that was implemented on a global scale by the WHO of the UN. Rev. 9:4-5.

Serpents and scorpions

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Jesus is speaking of spirits

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

So then, let's look at it this way in the following, and then maybe by God's Holy Spirit, you can make the connection.
In Revelation 9:1-11, the "scorpion sting" is a literal manifestation of prophecy, revealing the evil will of satan's subtil benevolence, to bring about his goal of World Peace and Safety through the UN. 1 Thes. 5:3.

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

KJV Luke 10
[19] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing [of the enemy] shall by any means HURT you
[those who are Born Again of His Holy Spirit].

And we know Jesus clarified he what he was speaking of, which is spirits

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

The symbolic word of a "scorpion", used in Rev. 9:1-11, is definitely relative to the literal manifestation of Satan to HURT men, by literally stinging them, using people who have the medical authority to do so.
[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were [literal] stings in their tails: and their power was to HURT men five months.

Says the stings are in their tails, not that hypodermic needles are in their hands. Not to mention with the same they tormented the unsealed for five months.

Now please notice, though the sting shall literally hurt men, like that of "when a scorpion STRIKES a man", the intention is not to kill them, but rather it has all the subtil appearance of medically saving people from that which is a fabricated threat of death, such as COVID.

Since we all know that literal Scorpions do inject venom into their victims, what is it that has been injected by MEDICAL hyperdermic needles, into the billions of victims by satan's "scorpion sting", when in all actuality, COVID is nothing but the "Common Flu"?

There are many, many Doctors, Nurses, Clinitians and Embalmers coming forward and testifying of the corruption they have witnessed during the supposed COVID pandemic.
As a result, you should do your own research, so that you may discover for yourself whether COVID was either a literal "pandemic" or a plan of a "scam-demic" by the "WHO" of the UN, for Global World Governance.
1 Thes. 5:3

I have done my research, on both the jab and the scripture, and I do not believe Jesus was speaking of this there. Its way too much of a stretch for me to agree to this.