The 12 Tribes of Israel - where are they today?
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ScottA
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Every departure from the truth of God is a falling away...since the beginning.
The following excerpt is from:
Christian Zionism for Dummies
A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.
When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:
“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”
God, Who created everything, is NOT a man, nor the son of man (Num. 23:19; John 4:24), and thus has no need for a physical house. He lives in the hearts and minds of everyone that invites Him in to live with them, so He can teach them how to be good (like God).
Why do you think the PEOPLE were referred to as the “House” of Israel and the “House” of Judah? The people, whom God created, were to be His House, NOT some man-made building. And why do you think the symbolic place of God was initially a tent/tabernacle? Because a tent/tabernacle can easily be taken with you wherever you go.
However, because king “David” had been God’s “well-beloved” servant, and to serve as a lesson to mankind, God decided to allow David’s son, Solomon, to build Him a house (temple), on Mt. MORIAH, where Abraham had taken Isaac, to offer him as a sacrifice to God, centuries before.
That temple, or church, is the ONLY one that God has EVER given man permission to build, and it is Satan and his priests (who blasphemously claim to work for God) who have built ALL the others, of EVERY denomination (Matt. 6:5-6, Sura 7:55, Sura 9:107-109).
And what did God ultimately do with that temple? After it became a den of thieves, as ALL man-made temples eventually do, Solomon’s Temple was DESTROYED not once but TWICE; the second time so utterly that there wasn’t so much as one stone left upon another (Matt. 24:1-2). This was to leave NO DOUBT that God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Satan and his priests do – 2 Thess. 2:3-5, 2 Cor 11:13-15).
Any Christian who believes that the “Wailing-Wall” in Jerusalem is part of The Temple is calling Jesus a liar and is, by definition, antichrist.
Acts 7:48
7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?
Acts 17:24-25
17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
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The third “temple” is, and ALWAYS has been, SPIRITUAL
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.
as it says repeatedly throughout Scriptures.
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The Spiritual Meaning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Revelation 11:19 And the Temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in His Temple the “(lost) Ark of His Covenant”: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 14:17 And another angel came out of the “Temple” which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the Temple of heaven, from the Throne, saying, It is done.
Revelation 21:1-2, 21-23
21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, “New Jerusalem”, coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT.
21:23 And the city had no need of the Sun, neither of the Moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.
It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures. How could someone possibly think God wants us to build another physical temple with human hands when they have a 100% fail rate on this planet? God has already destroyed it twice. How many times does He need to do it until you “get it”? Every single one of them (churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) has been built without His permission and then used to enrich a handful of greedy, evil so-called “religious” leaders (criminals really) at the expense of everyone else, teaching satanic materialism (“crime pays”) instead of Godliness and “self” sacrifice (Matt. 6:24, Luke 9:23).
Solomon’s Temple was supposed to be a reminder of OBEDIENCE to God only and SACRIFICE for the common good. Instead, it was turned into a money-making scam and then used as the business model to franchise them everywhere.
These priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., are “the blind leading the blind” exactly as Christ warned us (Matt. 15:13-14). If they were not blind they would be terrified to be priests. Do you really think people would be so anxious to build another FAKE temple to Satan, if they could see the truth that any attempt to build another temple WILL BE reduced to ashes, along with its supporters (see Jer. 23:1-5, Ezek. 34:1-10, Ezek. 34:23, Mal. 4, Matt. 6:1-8, Matt. 23, Sura 7:55, Sura 9:107-109)?
We need to purify our own temples through obedience to God (Deut. 30:15-20), discipline (the hallmark of Discipleship) and self-sacrifice (Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20) to make them fit for spiritual habitation. Obedience and self-sacrifice are the pillars of God’s TRUE temple. Why do you think every body has a temple on either side of their head? So that God can dwell between them. How obvious does it have to be, before you “get it”?
1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.
1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
1 Corinthians 3:16-20
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the Temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are worthless.
1 Peter 2:4-8
2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a SPIRITUAL house, an holy channel, to offer up SPIRITUAL sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief Corner-Stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth him shall not be confounded.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
Please feel free to actually point out ANY lie you in the referenced article, which is the subject of this thread, or anything else that's been personally posted in this thread. It all has irrefutable scriptural references, to make it easy for anyone who wishes to actually verify what's been shared is true.
When people come along and say "that's a lie" and provide no evidence of their accusation, it's usually because their accusation is false (Exod. 20:16) either intentionally or due to their own ignorance (i.e. they don't know what they're talking about).
So which is it in your case please? Are you intentionally lying or are you just ignorant of the subject material being shared?
Sorry it does not follow that we should examine the geneologies of monarchies looking for the lost tribes of Israel.
The tribes of Israel taken into exile did one of two things.
They kept separate from the people around them, remaining Jewish, or
They inter married, adopted the customs, language of that area.
The samaritans are an example of those who did this, but who also returned to Palestine.
Where are those lost tribes? Interbred with the local people and absorbed into there culture.
The European monarch hies sort to bolester there authority by claiming a link to the bible and to Jesus.
There genealogy are invented in that area.
Ritajanice
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My old man of sin that it once was,( body) houses the Spirit of God...The Spirit birthed my spirit..,therefore because I am Born Of The Spirit..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, our spirits are permanently indwelled by Gods LIVING testimony...Holy Spirit, Alive and Active in my heart, all day every day.
The Holy Spirit is purifying my heart @A Freeman ..I wouldn’t know how.
In Jesus Name..Amen!
The Holy Spirit is purifying my heart @A Freeman ..I wouldn’t know how.
- Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
In Jesus Name..Amen!
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Stumpmaster
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On whose expert research and with what irrefutable evidence do you stand convinced that descendants of the Kings of Judah do not include the British Royal Family, as in fact they do myself?
The exact opposite is true.
God made a promise both that Israel would become a NATION and a COMPANY of NATIONS, and that David would never lack a descendant to sit on the throne in Israel.
Genesis 35:10-11
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation AND a company of nations SHALL be of thee, and kings SHALL come out of thy loins;
Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the “I AM”; David shall NEVER want (lack) a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel;
Psalm 89:34-36
89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as “the sun” before me.
The term "Jew" is derived from JUDAH (Jew-dah), which was ONE of the twelve tribes and obviously NOT the other 11.
The term can and was applied to the 2-tribed "House of Judah" (Judah and Benjamin), but the term "Jew" has NEVER been used to describe the 10-tribed "House of Israel" at any time, the latter of which retained the name "Israel" as well as the overwhelming majority of the people Israel (Gen. 48:16-19). So the amalgamation hypothesis you are attempting to forward is born out of ignorance of Scripture.
Genesis 48:16-19
48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name [Israel] be named on them (let Ephraim and Manasseh be called Israel), and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.
48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this [is] the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know [it], my son, I know [it]: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude (Commonwealth) of nations.
Please take the time to read and study the information that's been provided, along with the hundreds of Scriptural references provided that leave NO DOUBT of who the true people Israel are during these end-times.
The overwhelming majority (>95%) today of those who call themselves "Jews" are NOT descended from either the 2-tribed "House of Judah" nor the 10-tribed "House of Israel"; they are, as Christ prophesied, the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9; 3:9). Please also read and study:
Them Which Say They Are Jews But Are NOT
Until these facts are clearly understood, it is impossible to understand Biblical prophecy, including the prophecies of Christ's Second Coming.
1. It is totally irrelevant to our salvation.
2. The need for status, to imply legitimacy to there occupying the throne a fictions link to the bible was invented.
It wasn't spiritual, it was a political statement.
As for prophecy all we need to know is that Jesus is coming back.
Stumpmaster
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There is sufficient historical evidence to link the lineage of William the Conqueror to the Kings of Judah. Extensive genealogical records exist tracing through the Royal Houses of Ireland and Scotland, then to Normandy and William, who is my ancestor.
As I said it is irrelevant for salvation and your problem is proving that those documents are historically accurate.
Galgal
Member
The following excerpt is from:
Christian Zionism for Dummies
A Third Man-Made Temple? Be serious.
When king David asked God if he could build a house for Him to live in, God answered:
“Shalt thou build Me an house for Me to dwell in? Whereas I have NOT dwelt in [any] house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. In all [the places] wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spoke I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed My people Israel, saying, Why build ye not Me an house of cedar (2 Sam 7:4-7)?”
1. The Third Temple will be built not at the “Wailing-Wall”, not on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, but in the Judean Desert, according to the word of the prophet Ezekiel, chapters 40-48.
2. Any believer who rejects the word of God, as written in His Bible, about the building of the Third Temple, and that it will be the Temple of God where the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will take place, is an antichrist and an enemy of Jesus Christ.
The fact that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will take place in this Temple is written in your Bible in plain text:
Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.
(Ezekiel 44:2)
The Temple is not the place where God lives. God will live among the children of Israel, and the Temple is the place of His throne:
And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
(Ezekiel 43:7)
It is to this throne of God, which will be in the Third Temple, that the "male child," Israel, will be caught up, who will rule the nations with a rod of iron and crush all the pagan nations:
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5)
It's scary to think what will happen to you who read heretical, blasphemous literature like "Christian Zionism for Dummies" and reject the word of God written in your Bible.
Oh, if you only understood what the New Jerusalem is!
The New Jerusalem is a city WITHIN the hearts of believers. Here is the definition of the Heavenly Jerusalem:
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. (Isaiah 65:18)
The New Jerusalem was rebuilt in the hearts of the disciples on Nisan 16, 32, when they learned of Jesus' resurrection. Now the New Jerusalem will rise in the hearts of believers when we see the Temple described in the Bible built: we will rejoice. Then our joy will be increased when the city of Yahweh Shammah, described at the very end of Ezekiel, is built in Israel after the Third Temple. But you will NEVER get to the New Jerusalem if you reject the Third Temple.
There will be no Gentiles in the New Jerusalem, only Jews from the tribes of Israel. This is quite obvious because the New Jerusalem has 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel:
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: (Revelation 21:12)
This is about you. Most likely, you did not even understand the first chapter of Genesis, what it is about. Genesis describes the creation of the INNER world in man, and not the material Universe:
It is arrogance that blinds one to their own ignorance, in this case of the Scriptures.
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
This cozy world of your false religious ideas will be destroyed as cruelly as the cozy little world of the Jews who were waiting for the Messiah-king OUTSIDE of themselves was destroyed in its time. You are no different from those Jews. But now God will give salvation to the Jews: the Third Temple will be built in Israel and all the saints from all nations will gather there. Your religion will go bankrupt.
Please read carefully Ezekiel chapters 40-48 and see that the Temple, the design of which was shown to Ezekiel from Heaven, is God's Temple from the very beginning and forever. There is no doubt that Ezekiel describes the material Temple. For the first time, we have an architectural design of this Temple, according to all the dimensions given in the prophecy. The design appeared in 2020. The design of the altar appeared in 2021. And the location of the Temple is determined by Ezekiel's prophecy itself. The Temple will be built 30 km south of Jerusalem, in the Judean Desert, on the site of the ruins of Abraham's altar, Jehovah-jireh.
Here is how the location of the Third Temple was found, and how exactly all the details described in Ezekiel coincided with the real location of the future Temple:
They no longer exist. All the genealogy was burnt up in 70Ad, from what I understand. Now people become part of true Israel by and through faith, adopted by Yahavah, in a new hope of going to the Heavenly Jerusalem.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
ScottA
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I referred to the lie foretold by Paul that causes strong delusion. If you missed it you can go back and read it again.
If people are so blind they cannot see why God destroyed the first two temples, then they will continue to believe in the fantasy of a third temple being built -- by the synagogue of Satan no less -- despite there being no such prophecy anywhere in Scripture.
The Ashkenazi Synagogue of Satan Explained
ScottA
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Galgal
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If you think that it was not God but Satan who spoke to Moses, to King David, to the prophets Zechariah and Haggai, then I have nothing more to say to you. Woe to you when you call darkness light.
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