Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Naomanos]

You can easily look up the studies and stats yourself.

And while you may pride yourself on your own happy marriage, how many egalitarian marriages have you seen?

Part of the problem is that both you and Wrangler tend to take things too literally. An egalitarian marriages is not equal in ALL ways, ALL the time. For example, the wife may make one quarter of her husband's salary. But that doesn't mean that her voice in the marriage is less important. Decision making is a joint venture. Housework can be divided up...the couple can make a plan that they BOTH agree with, and the husband isn't opposed to doing ANY of it. He doesn't see home care as "women's work". After all, it's HIS house as much as it is HERS. And yes, there may be times when one person or the other can't do their fair share, and the other picks up the slack with no complaints.

And no...egalitarian doesn't mean the woman gets her way 90% of the time. Many men and women these days want an EQUAL partner. Shared responsibilities. Shared decision-making. If SHE wants Chinese food and HE wants Mexican food, HE doesn't get to have the final say, and insist on Mexican! They NEGOTIATE. Maybe SHE comes up with a third option. Maybe HE does.

In the long run, it all balances out.

Exactly! You have said it better than I ever could!!

 

[Mink57]

Competitive Feminism, the most evil form of this evil ideology, has not served you well. Your identity is wrapped up in being a victim, content to take no responsibility but feel comforted blaming men. Consumed with hatred and bitterness, it wreaks every post you write.

Not even close to true.

Sluts should be ashamed of the choices they made. Do you know that women can make the wrong choice, that sin is not an attribute that only applies to men?

And yet YOU keep pointing out woman's "sin", as if the men who sleep with those 'sluts' commit NO sin.
How hypocritical you are!

 

[MA2444]

Part of the problem is that both you and Wrangler tend to take things too literally. An egalitarian marriages is not equal in ALL ways, ALL the time. For example, the wife may make one quarter of her husband's salary. But that doesn't mean that her voice in the marriage is less important.

What's not equal? Even if she makes less money, so what. She cooks and cleans and all that so it is equal. So a vague statement that women are shorted is proof of nothing. That's how you would enter a relationship? Complaining that you want to set up your throne in the living room?

Decision making is a joint venture. Housework can be divided up...the couple can make a plan that they BOTH agree with, and the husband isn't opposed to doing ANY of it. He doesn't see home care as "women's work". After all, it's HIS house as much as it is HERS. And yes, there may be times when one person or the other can't do their fair share, and the other picks up the slack with no complaints.

That they both agree with? Didn't you mean, that you agree with? The man works all day and you expect him to come home from work and do housework that should've been done today before he got home?! How about if since you will whine about you want to work and it isnt fair if I stop you, so fine go ahead and work and we'll split the bills right down the middle and we'll both do housework at night. Is that fair enough for you?

 

[MA2444]

And yet YOU keep pointing out woman's "sin", as if the men who sleep with those 'sluts' commit NO sin.
How hypocritical you are!

If he is then you are doing the same thing, right? You continually point it to be the man's sin and cry that you just want equality, but you really mean superiority. And you yourself have said yes to those same men repeatedly and repeatedly. So what's your excuse?

 

[Wrangler]

Not even close to true.

It’s totally true!

And yet YOU keep pointing out woman's "sin", as if the men who sleep with those 'sluts' commit NO sin.

Change in subject is a tactic to avoid responsibility.

Your childish attempt to absolve women and yourself of accountability by pretending what a woman does is dependent on first being victimized by men does not hold up to scrutiny.

 

[Mink57]

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Wrong. The EXACT opposite is true! Women in the West in the 20th century had it easier than any generation of women who came before. Since then, evil feminism has brainwashed them to feel entitled to EASIER. Now, feminists are spoiled rotten with self-imposed stress. Are women:

1. Strong and independent?
2. Victims of the patriarchy?

You can't ONLY look at women of the 20th century, nor can you ONLY look at American women...
...not can you refer to ALL feminists as having the same hive-like mentality.

We don't.

Are MANY women strong and independent these days? You BETCHA!! Are THOSE women miserable because of that? HECK NO!

And many men cannot STAND that.

Agreed. Feminism is so evil, it convinces women to act against their own interest! The happy women I know have children. In fact, it is their #1 source of contentment and purpose. Their faces light up when they talk about their children, and later, their grandchildren.

Statistically, the HAPPIEST group of people, are women who are not married and who don't have children. By CHOICE! IT IS NOT some biological imperitive.

Not all women can HAVE children, even though they have the "equipment" to do so. And some of those women who can't are not devastated because of it. You cannot look at your little sphere and apply your observation to ALL.

Not to say there are no exceptions but most women I know who did not have children deeply regretted it. They knew they missed out on the most important thing in life.

Which means, you probably know of a HANDFUL of women who feel that way. I also know of a few men and women who regret NOT having children.

...and a few who don't.

For mink to make this claim reveals how profoundly in denial she is living. To deny the biological imperative is shocking. That’s evil feminism for you!

Because it isn't 'biological'.

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[Naomanos]

Is that fair enough for you?

Showed my fiance this and she said yep, fair enough for her.

 

[Wrangler]

You can't ONLY look at women of the 20th century, nor can you ONLY look at American women...
...not can you refer to ALL feminists as having the same hive-like mentality.

You keep expressing this Foolish notion. Ideas do not depend on the people who hold it as a guiding principle. Let’s compare to the good folks who all think differently but embrace White Supremacy.

Does supposing there is a spectrum of thought among White Supremacists make White Supremacism morally good? If not, why not?

 

[Mink57]

What's not equal? Even if she makes less money, so what. She cooks and cleans and all that so it is equal. So a vague statement that women are shorted is proof of nothing. That's how you would enter a relationship? Complaining that you want to set up your throne in the living room?

Throne? Hahahahaha! And yet when MEN set up THEIR throne, they felt entitled to it!

What about if SHE works all day...and makes more money than HE does? Think THAT woman expects to be greeted at the door, by a husband who primped himself into sexiness, along with a newspaper and a martini, guiding her into HER chair while proclaiming, "You just relax honey, dinner will be ready shortly"????

You think that once married women entered the workforce that they expected to be catered to, by their husbands after a long day? Think my ex-husband catered to ME, after I worked a 50-60 hour week, making TWICE what HE made?

Where's MY "pipe and slippers" treatment?

But guess what...I never expected THAT kind of catering. I'd come home after a 10 hour day, groceries dangling from my arms, while he sat on the couch....

That they both agree with? Didn't you mean, that you agree with? The man works all day and you expect him to come home from work and do housework that should've been done today before he got home?! How about if since you will whine about you want to work and it isnt fair if I stop you, so fine go ahead and work and we'll split the bills right down the middle and we'll both do housework at night. Is that fair

No, I meant that they BOTH agree with.

These days BOTH men and women work. Is it FAIR that they BOTH put in a hard day, and once home, SHE is expected to cook, clean and take care of the kids?

 

[Wrangler]

So funny!

 

[Mink57]

If he is then you are doing the same thing, right? You continually point it to be the man's sin and cry that you just want equality, but you really mean superiority. And you yourself have said yes to those same men repeatedly and repeatedly. So what's your excuse?

I keep pointing out the man's sin because men, such as yourself and Wrangler, keep *avoiding* your own sin.

Just like the adulterous woman who was brought to Jesus. They all wanted HER stoned to death (with no mention of HIM being stoned) Yet Jesus said, "Let HE who is without sin, cast the first stone."

You and Wrangler are BOTH casting stones....

 

[Wrangler]

That they both agree with? Didn't you mean, that you agree with?

This is the part that feminists deny; the idea that it wasn’t men’s choice to do more housework to accommodate the feminists choice to work outside the home.

 

[Wrangler]

You continually point it to be the man's sin and cry that you just want equality, but you really mean superiority.

When it really means a woman’s inferiority. She’s comparing the sin of 1 woman to spread her legs with 100’s of men to the collective of men who are only have sex with that 1 women. She has to assume equality of guilt when that is not in evidence in the 100’s of vids presented.

Also, she is mistaking the vice of women to the virtue of a man. Slurs are low value. That men can get 100’s of women prove he is high value because of female hypergamy.

 

[Mink57]

When it really means a woman’s inferiority. She’s comparing the sin of 1 woman to spread her legs with 100’s of men to the collective of men who are only have sex with that 1 women. She has to assume equality of guilt when that is not in evidence in the 100’s of vids presented

Ha! Guaranteed that those men are NOT only having sex with that particular woman, PLUS, not ALL or even MOST feminists are like HER!

Also, she is mistaking the vice of women to the virtue of a man. Slurs are low value. That men can get 100’s of women prove he is high value because of female hypergamy.

OH, PLEEZE ..
You think if a man can get 100's of women it's a "virtue"?

 

[Mink57]

This is the part that feminists deny; the idea that it wasn’t men’s choice to do more housework to accommodate the feminists choice to work outside the home.

You mean, just like it wasn't women's choice to be regulated to ONLY doing housework, while being denied the option to work outside the home?

What's that called again? Oh, that's right.

PATRIARCHY.

 

[Mink57]

When it really means a woman’s inferiority. She’s comparing the sin of 1 woman to spread her legs with 100’s of men to the collective of men who are only have sex with that 1 women. She has to assume equality of guilt when that is not in evidence in the 100’s of vids presented.

Also, she is mistaking the vice of women to the virtue of a man. Slurs are low value. That men can get 100’s of women prove he is high value because of female hypergamy.

That's the problem. You THINK equality means superiority. What women want is a TIE, yet you can't live with that because a TIE means YOU DIDN'T WIN.

MEN are NOT "superior".
Neither are women.
Men and women were created EQUAL in God's eyes. God gave BOTH men enough and women dominion over the earth, NOT over each other. God never told Adam to rule over Eve. He predicted to Eve what would happen...
...and it's still happening TODAY.

Show me a passage spoken by either God or Jesus that says men are superior.

Go ahead ...I'll wait...(Jeopardy music playing)

 

[MA2444]

Showed my fiance this and she said yep, fair enough for her.

See now waaay long time ago (Lol) when we me & my wife set up shop together it was different generation then and I told her that I pay all the bills and she don't have to work because she does work at taking care of the kids and cleaning house, and that's fine. But that, after the kids were a little older and she ever wanted to get a job then she could keep all her money for her self. Just because she got a job doesn't relieve me of my responsibilities nor should it. So she can keep it. And I stuck to it over the years. She did eventually get herself a job and I never did ask her her for any money.

But I would catch her on payday after a busy week and ask her, did you have a good week this week? And she looked at me sideways and said slowly, yees. Then I said, me too, I did two installs this week so I figured share the wealth and I hand her $1500 bucks. I figured providing for her and the family is one thing but she's still my girl and a guy likes to give his girl cash, they always like that! If she didn't have a job, I would give her money, so why not because she got a job? And I used to do that to her quite a bit so she knew I spoke the truth.

I was short for my bills a few times because the economy started sliding down and she paid the bills and handled al my books for the family and for the business and she never let anything go that she had the money for if she pitched in, so she did because she knew I wasn't stingy with her. I never asked her for money. I don't get it how more modern generations gen z or whatever make their girl split the bills? Like she has to work and she shouldn't have to except at home. But girls don't want to clean house any more, wow.

I'll admit that eventually after my wife divorced me I live alone now and have to do all the housework all the time myself. Now I know just how hard that little girl worked all those years. She kept a spotless house. It's so much work constantly every day that I found an awesome appreciation for just how hard she did work. I used to cook for her maybe once a year on her birthday. She cooked dinner that night so she cooked 365 days per year. I'll help my next girl (If) with the cooking. Maybe twice a week instead of once a year!

That's how it used to be. That's how it's supposed to be. We worked together as a team and gave to each other what we had. So those women who come into the relationship saying, I dont cook or clean...don't enter into a relationship at all. Uh no I'm sorry, I can't make it I have plans this Saturday...Lol! Till death do we part is a long time. Sorry. I've said no to more women than have said yes to me in my life! That's significant if you think about it!

 

[MA2444]

You see when the economy kept sliding more and more is when she bailed. She said she's tired of being broke and wanted to marry a millionaire and live in florida. She was a CNA down there and got her a job real fast and worked closely with a couple other Nurses.

Now in case no one knows about nurses, they are some of the biggest hoe's on the planet. So many interns, doctors, and all that. They taught her how to cheat and she began dating some millionaire lawyer who took what she had to offer and then she got big headed and wrote him an email demanding that he marry her, because she had given him her all. He called me up on the phone and begged me to take her back. He sent me the email that she sent him, lol! I told him, she left me and is finishing the divorce, she's your problem now! So he showed her the door and ended it with her. And suddenly, she;s on the phone to (still with a big head!) and says she still loves me and is willing to return home on 3 conditions! Throw a big wedding with lots of pictures and fly her two nurses friends out to Colorado (round trip) from florida so they can attend the wedding, and the last thing was I had to buy her a BMW. 3 Series is ok she isn't being greedy....Bwahahahahahaha! She might as well have just asked if she could set up her throne in the Living room.

Now don't get me wrong, I love that girl. She was a good wife, an excellent Mother. Mother of both my children, all that. But you can't predicate a marriage on a BMW. She can't be real. "Are you joking?" She said no she aint joking. So I said flatly, I dont want you back, good luck to you. No deal. And hung up.

What an idiot she was! She shouldn't have made any conditions and just came back. I would have taken her back. Then, if she needs a car, that's me again. Oh you want a BMW this time? Ok. We would have got her a BMW. So what. Oh I want it as a condition to come back?! That makes it easy! NO. How could I trust her after that? I could not. I said I didn't have the money for a huge wedding, take out a loan she said, get the plane tickets too for my nurse hoe friends!

I havent talked to her since, lol. I heard through the grapevine that her and one of the hoe nurses both lost their jobs for sneaking men into a Customers house! She had a live in CNA assignment. I feel like I dodged a bullet.

 

[Mink57]

You keep expressing this Foolish notion. Ideas do not depend on the people who hold it as a guiding principle. Let’s compare to the good folks who all think differently but embrace White Supremacy.

Does supposing there is a spectrum of thought among White Supremacists make White Supremacism morally good? If not, why not?

Does supposing there is a spectrum of thought within patriarchy make patriarchy morally good?

Patriarchy, like White Supremacy, has its roots in the idea of their own self-proclaimed superiority.

Feminism does not proclaim that women are superior to men. But it has dis-claimed that women are inferior to men. Are there a few outliers of feminism who believe that women are superior to men? Of course. But they are outliers who do not represent what feminism is all about.

 

[MA2444]

Throne? Hahahahaha! And yet when MEN set up THEIR throne, they felt entitled to it!

That's between you and God how He set up the order in life.

What about if SHE works all day...and makes more money than HE does? Think THAT woman expects to be greeted at the door, by a husband who primped himself into sexiness, along with a newspaper and a martini, guiding her into HER chair while proclaiming, "You just relax honey, dinner will be ready shortly"????

I know these people. They've been good friends of mine in Colorado for many years. His wife works full time and he stays at home full time. He did have a good job and made good maney at at a Tree Service, cutting trees. He worked the same place for many years until the owner died and the widow shut it down. My friend is illeiterate, he can't read or write. But he can cut trees! He tried to get a job and he couldn't fill out the applications so he didnt get a job and stayed home with the kids, and from what I understand, it worked out very well for them. He cooks, he cleans, she pays the bills. It works for them with mutual respect (I think, lol).

You think that once married women entered the workforce that they expected to be catered to, by their husbands after a long day? Think my ex-husband catered to ME, after I worked a 50-60 hour week, making TWICE what HE made?

Where's MY "pipe and slippers" treatment?

But guess what...I never expected THAT kind of catering. I'd come home after a 10 hour day, groceries dangling from my arms, while he sat on the couch....

Maybe you shoulda picked a better guy? Just sayin'...what was your job that you made twice as much as him? What was his job? Did he work at McDonalds? Then you making twice as much isnt saying much, lol! If he was a computer programmer or doctor you might have something.

Pipe & slippers? Nah, just get me a beer and a sandwich.

Sitting on the couch? All day or after he got off work?

No, I meant that they BOTH agree with.

These days BOTH men and women work. Is it FAIR that they BOTH put in a hard day, and once home, SHE is expected to cook, clean and take care of the kids?

I was like that when I was married and working. I figured if I work every day and don't cheat on her then I would be a good husband. But when I get home, I've done my part for the day. She took care of the house and dinner and all that stuff, and I went to work today and made some money to provide.

It wasn't until after she left that I figured out that, I really wasn't being fair with my wife. She stayed home all day and watched the kids and cooked and cleaned and did the laundry and all that. All day she was working while I am at work working. Then here I come, I'm off work now! Kick off my boots & socks and settle into a chair or the couch.

Did she get off of work when I did? No. I came in messing up the clean house that she spent all day cleaning, and now she she has to wit on me and pick up after me, and cook dinner because it's dinner time! And she never skipped a beat. And never complained even the slightest bit in the ways that you talk. She never asked me to do do house work or cook. She wanted it done her way and so she didnt mind doing it. Then after dinner she would clean up the kitchen again so it would be clean for morning. But thinking back in retrospect, that little girl mostly worked up until bedtime many nights.

She never complained about me or the kids making messes (within reason, lol!) She could complain, but not about that stuff. I do think I should have helped her more at night after work. Man she did a lot of work! I don't keep house as good as she did!

If I had it to do over again, I would help her more. I'm wiser now. Those girls work hard! Working is the modern way to get enough money to provide for ones family. The goal is the Marriage and the kids, Family! So money and working is merely a means to an end. The day doesn't end after I get off work! It begins, because now I have did what I needed to do today to support us, but now I am home with my Family. So let the Marriage begin! There's the kids right there already, lol. So if the circumstances were that the woman worked and the man did not, heck yes he should meet her at the door with a clean house and supper already on the table! Why not? The Family needs to eat, even if she paid for it.

But men arent like that nowadays to their women. They have their priorities mixed up. life isnt about making money, it's about relationships and a dry run for our life that we were really created for to serve the Lord and bring God glory. It's all about the Marriage to the woman and so the woman herself.

But not if she says only if you buy me a BMW. Only if you agree that I don't cook or clean because modern women are lazy an got that entitlement. Women who come into a relationship with that attitude will never stop complaining and they promise many lively days of combat. Better to pass on those girls.