Where was TULIP actually formulated and when?

[Behold]

I see you are so sure you have 'rightly divided' , anything that comes in from left field is either designated 'of the devil' or ignored as irrelevant?....hmmmmm

Here is where anyone can have perfect understanding of the NT>

"Jesus said, you must be born again".

So, you must start there, and then Paul's Doctrine must become your Gospel and all of your NT Theology.

Once you are that one, you are forever safe from "doctrines of devils" , and until the born again becomes that student, they are not safe from the Devil's ministers, who teach "righteousness" but "Not according to Truth".

Basically Behold, I see you making your own cognition the arbitrator....and calling it 'rightly divided'

I only Preach, Teach, and reveal, Paul's Doctrine....>"Pauline Theology".

Accept no Substitute.. reader, as anything else, is wrong.

"but behold, what about this famous preacher, or scholar... .. Insert__________ Name.

A.) Where their Theology is literally co-existent with Paul's doctrine, then they are right every time.......otherwise they are not.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You just can't quit trying to Sell Calvinism. @Ronald Nolette

God is not a Calvinist.

He's never created one yet.

Its Calvin who creates these Disciples.

God created the doctrines Calvin cites from Scripture and you believe in four of those five points that were formulated 6 decades after Calvin died.

 

[Behold]

God created the doctrines Calvin cites

Calvins deceived Heretics created any site that is a place where these completely deceived people hope real Christians will show up so that they can ruin their faith for life by turning then into Calvinists.

Thats what a "Calvinism forum" is designed to do.....

from Scripture and you believe in four of those five points that were formulated 6 decades after Calvin died.

Yes, heresy is alway evolved by deceived Heretics as that keeps it alive.

Do you want to know what Kills Calvinism Dead on a Forum?
A Mod who is listening to The Spirit of God.
As that one, will end your ""Calvinism Mania..'' @Ronald Nolette

"Deleted".. we no longer allow Calvin's Cult Theology to poison the minds of real Christians.
Do not post it.
This is a Christian forum, not a Calvinism outreach online toilet.

Also, and regarding Cult theology... Take the "cult of Mary"... as for 1500 yrs.. .and even after the "dark ages" they created, they are still revising the scriptures to fit whatever they want their members to believe, next.

 

[JohnDB]

We have had many threads on Calvinism and TULIP already. This is not to add to that already contentious number of discussions gone by but to give some historical perspective.

John Calvin did not come up with TULIP nor with the five points that bear his name. The five points were created as a response to the five points of Jacob Arminius' five points at the council of Dort. By then Calvin had been dead for approx. 60 years.

Also the points that rebutted Jacob Arminius did not come to be known by the Acronym TULIP until 1905 and did not make it into a publication until 1915.

As a matter of fact at the council of Dort, to refute Arminiasm, there were many publications and letters and speakers.

If one is really interested to see the biblical arguments of both sides they are easily googled.

It is interesting that in discussing these five points , people are compared as 2-3-4 or 5 pointers in reference to TULIP. Calvin had no part of the council of dort, nor in creating the acronym TULIP and once again if one wishes to see what this debate that has raged here is about biblically One can look up Jacob Arminius and the Council of Dort and The five points of Calvinsm at the Council of Dort.

It's a reformulated question of a debate of "Who sinned?"
Does corporate sin cause people to not get salvation from God? (Muslims)
OR
Does individual sin keep people from receiving God's salvation? (Atheists)

This is explained fully in John's Gospel with "The Man Born Blind" narrative. It's exactly the same subject concerning all 5 points of TULIP and how it's wrong.

But there's nothing like repackaging and reformulated old arguments.

 

[Behold]

@Ronald Nolette

When was Tulip actually created and by Whom. ?????????????????????????

Well, its a "Doctrine of Devils'......as Paul explains regarding any "man made" Theology that in contrary to NT Biblical Truth.

The TULIP aspect of it, that always turns into Hypercalvinism.........is even more Satanic.

So, is a "doctrine of Devils" created by a devil, or The Devil......... which ?

Well, all demons are under the authority of The Devil... so, all doctrines of devils, like Calvinism, are produced by that Legion.

How did Calvin fall under the influence of the demonic, so that He created such a faith destroying, and Cross denying Theology, that has evolved into Hyper Calvinism. ?

We have to remember that the level of carnality in this man was so great that he was consenting to have another Christian murdered because this Believer was not "on board" with "Trinity Doctrine".
I wonder how long Calvin heard this Man's screams, at night, in his own mind... as you will do some screaming when you are being burned to death, and Im sure Calvin heard it.. as he was "at hand".
The Catholics did this to Joan of Arc, and later they decided she was one of their "Saints'
That is impressive "damage control".. truly.


Maybe and probably, this explains why Calvin had a death that was not a good one., as "sowing and reaping" can be a killer in the end.

So, when a person is that morally depraved.. its no wonder that they can be led of the Devil to create a "doctrine of Devils".

What is Calvin's eternal Legacy?
He has ruined much of Christianity, for 500 yrs...using His "duped".....and this just Continues as : TULIP.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Its interesting to note that Calvinism is an assault against The Cross of Christ....... thats being defended under the guise of "rebutting" some other theology.

Calvin was a clever devil.

Calvinism is an assault against The Cross of Christ.

Please explain how your opinion is true.

 

[Behold]

Please explain how your opinion is true.

Listen, you are a deceived Hyper Calvinist, and you are proud to claim the LIE = that Calvinism is "real Christianity"

So, this level of deception, that owns your mind, is not going to hear any truth.
See, if you could hear the truth, you would not be running from forum to forum trying to SELL Calvin's Lies to Real Christians.

Comprehend ??

But i appreciate that you have allowed us to reveal the depth of the obsession you have with this Devil, who has discipled you to SELL His "doctrines of devils" as your Ministry...for life.

The only good thing that a mind blinded TULIP-Head can provide to a Christian forum, is the literal evidence that Satan is alive and well and has deceived a lot of Calvinists. (TULIP) for about 500 Yrs and well into the future.

So, you just keep on showing us that reality .. Mr. Im only here to SELL Hyper-Calvinism. @ElectedbyHim

Just continue to : Stand up and be Counted........for your IDOL.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Listen, you are a deceived Hyper Calvinist, and you are proud to claim that Calvinism is "real Christianity"

So, this level of deception, that owns your mind, is not going to hear any truth.

But i appreciate that you have allowed us to reveal the depth of the obsession you have with this Devil, who has discipled you to SELL His "doctrines of devils" as your Ministry...for life.

The only good thing that a mind blinded TULIP-Head can provide to a Christian forum, is the literal evidence that Satan is alive and well and has deceived a lot of Calvinists. (TULIP) for about 500 Yrs and well into the future.

So, you just keep on showing us that reality .. Mr. Im only here to SELL Hyper-Calvinism. @ElectedbyHim

Listen, you are a deceived Hyper Calvinist, and you are proud to claim that Calvinism is "real Christianity"

Here is where you are wrong, I am not a hyper Calvinist and you do not even understand what that means.

So, this level of deception, that owns your mind, is not going to hear any truth.

You assume much and know nothing about me.

But i appreciate that you have allowed us to reveal the depth of the obsession you have with this Devil, who has discipled you to SELL His "doctrines of devils" as your Ministry...for life.

Are you saying I am not saved? Please be blunt and do not beat around the bush. I dislike games.

All you have is empty words, you have proven nothing.

Your opinions are not facts.

If you would like to discredit what I believe, you must show me from the Bible that TULIP is not Biblical.

You claim I am deceived by satan, please prove this.

You have no credibility all you do is condemn what you do not know because it goes against your own beliefs.

The Lord will judge you, not me.

I will pray for you my friend.

 

[Behold]

You assume much and know nothing about me.

Stop being dishonest... as this is always how a Calvinist behaves.
You remind me of "Brother Carbon". (ALT) ....a '"MOD" nut bar Calvin worshiper on another forum who banned me 2 times from a "Calvinism forum" and told a member of this forum, that he banned me the 2nd time, "because Behold came to my inbox and was insulting".
And in fact, i never came to His inbox at all.

So, here is your reality check.

Why are you on this Forum?

A.) To SELL Calvinism (TULIP) and DEFEND IT, and that is the same as selling it.

So, you have spent your Christianity, on NOTHING that pleases God.

How do you know?

Because GOD is not a Calvinist.
JESUS is not a Calvinist.
The HOLY Spirit is not a Calvinist.

God makes : Christians

ALL Calvinists then try to deceive them with CALVINISM... (TULIP)

Comprehend?

I dont think you can.. but the actual born again members here are well able to see you, and what you are doing on this forum. @ElectedbyHim

 

[Rita]

Calvins deceived Heretics created any site that is a place where these completely deceived people hope real Christians will show up so that they can ruin their faith for life by turning then into Calvinists.

Thats what a "Calvinism forum" is designed to do.....




Yes, heresy is alway evolved by deceived Heretics as that keeps it alive.

Do you want to know what Kills Calvinism Dead on a Forum?
A Mod who is listening to The Spirit of God.
As that one, will end your ""Calvinism Mania..'' @Ronald Nolette

"Deleted".. we no longer allow Calvin's Cult Theology to poison the minds of real Christians.
Do not post it.
This is a Christian forum, not a Calvinism outreach online toilet.

Also, and regarding Cult theology... Take the "cult of Mary"... as for 1500 yrs.. .and even after the "dark ages" they created, they are still revising the scriptures to fit whatever they want their members to believe, next.

To presume that Mods are not listening to the Spirit of God because Ronald has not been banned is crossing a line ….to date calvinism, or discussing it, is not a banned subject. Ronald has as much right as you @Behold to start threads and discuss things.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Stop being dishonest... as this is always how a Calvinist behaves.
You remind me of "Brother Carbon". (ALT) ....a '"MOD" nut bar Calvin worshiper on another forum who banned me 2 times from a "Calvinism forum" and told a member of this forum, that he banned me the 2nd time, "because Behold came to my inbox and was insulting".
And in fact, i never came to His inbox at all.

So, here is your reality check.

Why are you on this Forum?

A.) To SELL Calvinism (TULIP) and DEFEND IT, and that is the same as selling it.

So, you have spent your Christianity, on NOTHING that pleases God.

How do you know?

Because GOD is not a Calvinist.
JESUS is not a Calvinist.
The HOLY Spirit is not a Calvinist.

God makes : Christians

ALL Calvinists then try to deceive them with CALVINISM... (TULIP)

Comprehend?

I dont think you can.. but the actual born again members here are well able to see you, and what you are doing on this forum. @ElectedbyHim

Christ taught the coctrines of Grace

JESUS ON TOTAL DEPRAVITY
Mark 7:15-23
Mark 10:18
Luke 18:9–14, Jesus commends the tax collector’s realistic view of himself as “a sinner.
John 8:34
John 3:19-21
John 8:44
Matthew 7:18

JESUS ON UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION
John 13:18
John 6:37-40
John 17:6-9
John 10:29
Matthew 11:25-30
Matthew 22:14



JESUS ON LIMITED ATONEMENT
John 10:11
John 10:15
Matthew 26:28
Luke 19:10
John 6:35-40



JESUS ON IRRESISTABLE GRACE
John 1:12-13
John 6:63-65
John 17:2
John 6:44
John 6:37
John 11:43


JESUS ON PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS
John 6:39-40
John 10:27-30
John 5:24
John 6:47
John 17:2
John 3:16

 

[Behold]

To presume that Mods are not listening to the Spirit of God because Ronald has not been banned is crossing a line ….to date calvinism, or discussing it, is not a banned subject. Ronald has as much right as you @Behold to start threads and discuss things.

Calvinists are on all forums to lead people into Calvinism., just like a Mormon or any other Cult member will do the same, on a Christian forum.

That is not the will of God, for a "Christian forum"..... or do you believe it is?
Do you actually believe that "whatever someone wants to teach someone to believe on a Christian forum"... is "their Right" and "live and let live"... "its all good"... ?????

Well i guess you just told us that.. .... that this is what you believe. ??????????????

So i dont agree that a Christian forum is a place to allow Cross offending (Hyper-Calvinism- TULIP). Theology to THRIVE.
And, im sure you will allow me to dissent from your interesting point of view. @Rita

No doubt you'll be leaving this THREAD unlocked and up and running as its PROMOTING Calvinism, whereas the one you LOCKED< yesterday didnt promote Calvinism.

See, we are known by what we do... and that means me, and that means you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I only Preach, Teach, and reveal, Paul's Doctrine....>"Pauline Theology".

Accept no Substitute.. reader, as anything else, is wrong.

"but behold, what about this famous preacher, or scholar... .. Insert__________ Name.

A.) Where their Theology is literally co-existent with Paul's doctrine, then they are right every time.......otherwise they are not.

If you did you would write and react to people the exact opposite that you do.

And Paul taught election, predestination.

It's a reformulated question of a debate of "Who sinned?"
Does corporate sin cause people to not get salvation from God? (Muslims)
OR
Does individual sin keep people from receiving God's salvation? (Atheists)

This is explained fully in John's Gospel with "The Man Born Blind" narrative. It's exactly the same subject concerning all 5 points of TULIP and how it's wrong.

But there's nothing like repackaging and reformulated old arguments.

So then you hold ot the five points as espoused by Jacob Arminius then? In this argument there is no third alternative.

One is either totally lost (Clavin) or has some natural righteousness still (Arminius)
One comes to Jesus without any works (Calvin) or one must perform certain things before they can approach Jesus by faith (Arminius)
Either the elect are the only ones who have their sin debt actually removed (Calvin) or all have their sin removed( Arminius)
One has to be drawn to Jesus (Calvin) or one has some innate character quality that lets them decide for themself (Arminius)
One is either eternally secure (Calvin) or one can lose their salvation ( Arminius)

I know of no third alternatives to these issues.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Calvinists are on all forums to lead people into Calvinism., just like a Mormon or any other Cult member will do the same, on a Christian forum.

That is not the will of God, for a "Christian forum"..... or do you believe it is?
Do you actually believe that "whatever someone wants to teach someone to believe on a Christian forum"... is "their Right" and "live and let live"... "its all good"... ?????

Well i guess you just told us that.. .... that this is what you believe.

So i dont agree that a Christian forum is a place to allow Cross offending Theology to THRIVE.
And, im sure you will allow me to dissent from your interesting point of view. @Rita

But you teach Universalism that is not Biblical in any way.

You are no better that a Pharisee with your self-righteous atitude.

Pride comes before the fall.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

If you did you would write and react to people the exact opposite that you do.

And Paul taught election, predestination.

So then you hold ot the five points as espoused by Jacob Arminius then? In this argument there is no third alternative.

One is either totally lost (Clavin) or has some natural righteousness still (Arminius)
One comes to Jesus without any works (Calvin) or one must perform certain things before they can approach Jesus by faith (Arminius)
Either the elect are the only ones who have their sin debt actually removed (Calvin) or all have their sin removed( Arminius)
One has to be drawn to Jesus (Calvin) or one has some innate character quality that lets them decide for themself (Arminius)
One is either eternally secure (Calvin) or one can lose their salvation ( Arminius)

I know of no third alternatives to these issues.

Excellent.

 

[Behold]

But you teach Universalism that is not Biblical in any way.

I dont teach Universalism, i expose it, exactly as i expose Cross Denying Calvinism.

see you there.

 

[Rita]

Calvinists are on all forums to lead people into Calvinism., just like a Mormon or any other Cult member will do the same, on a Christian forum.

That is not the will of God, for a "Christian forum"..... or do you believe it is?
Do you actually believe that "whatever someone wants to teach someone to believe on a Christian forum"... is "their Right" and "live and let live"... "its all good"... ?????

Well i guess you just told us that.. .... that this is what you believe. ??????????????

So i dont agree that a Christian forum is a place to allow Cross offending (Hyper-Calvinism- TULIP). Theology to THRIVE.
And, im sure you will allow me to dissent from your interesting point of view. @Rita

No doubt you'll be leaving this THREAD unlocked and up and running as its PROMOTING Calvinism, whereas the one you LOCKED< yesterday didnt promote Calvinism.

It was locked because of the back and fourth arguments - which you were party to, nothing to do with the subject.
This forum has been up and running for years and years , so regardless of what you think it should or shouldn’t be , I suggest you take it up with others and stop drawing conclusions about what you think I believe.

 

[Behold]

If you did you would write and react to people the exact opposite that you do.

Am i promoting you, or am i exposing your Hyper Calvinism?

Do you need more proof?

comprehend?

And Paul taught election, predestination.

HyperCalvinism teaches that lie., among others.

So then you hold ot the five points as espoused by Jacob Arminius then? In this argument there is no third alternative.

I hold that you sell calvinism because it owns your mind.. as what you do on a FORUM, is proof of your mindset

 

[Behold]

It was locked because of the back and fourth arguments -

And this Thread is the same......as you are describing as the reason you locked the one that DENIES Calvinism.

is it locked?

So, an obvious double standard is in play here....in that case.
Nothing new.

 

[Rita]

And this Thread is the same......as you are describing as the reason you locked the one that DENIES Calvinism.

is it locked?

So, an obvious double standard is in play here....in that case.
Nothing new.

We had reports on the thread yesterday, and it was weighed up.