Where is the Lake of Fire?
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quietthinker
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Where is the Lake of Fire?
Our Earth will become it until all is consumed. Every trace of sin will vanish in its flames. It will then be recreated.
Bob Estey
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It would seem to me the lake of fire is the circumstances we find ourselves in after we sin.
Not sure on this one @Bob Estey. Perhaps, I do believe Gods love burns down our own darkness; I believe this in the scripture though deduces the lake of fire being in front of the Lamb and his Angels which is interesting.
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Behold
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The Lake of Fire is finally located, once Hell is cast into it... the NT teaches.
And where is Hell found?
Hell is found..............at the end of a Christ Rejecting Life, regarding all who have never been born again.
Its These.
John 3:36
And Reader...noone is "pre-destined to go to Hell"........ but everyone who chooses to die never born again, as a Christ Rejector... has chosen to go to Hell.
That is how you choose Hell, instead of Choosing HEAVEN.
And READER..... if you die having never Chosen Christ to be your Eternal Salvation, then you dont get a 2nd chance in Hell to do it.
And believe no deceivers who tell you that you will, and believe no deceivers who tell you that "hell does not exist".
Its exists, and its waiting for ALL Christ Rejectors... who are never born again... and that is a Fair Warning and an Eternal Fact.
So dont be that one... dont choose Hell.........= Choose Heaven......= Choose to Trust in Christ, and God will take you as His own, forever.
That's God's Promise to you.
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@Bob Estey, many people wonder if the lake of fire still exists in the afterlife. God is a consuming fire and no darkness can enter in, there must be something to that. However people can speculate if they wish. I believe servants of the heavenly kingdom have something to do in heaven, perhaps it’s going into the darkness to bring them to Gods light, even if that might be a challenge for them. There is nothing wrong with speculation.
Behold
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Behold
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Believing in God is subjective only if you do it wrong.
If you do it right, then its Salvation "In Christ"..., and that proves that it was not subjective, but true.
Truth is not subjective, but Truth is subjected to a lot of subjective nonsense, worldwide, including on the Web.
Behold
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You are a "universalist"... did i get that right?
If that is not correct, then any universalist who reads this post...... you can answer it for @MatthewG
Now.. Hell is not a subjective experience. Its a place that is as real as Heaven.
Now, @MatthewG .....my question is... How you ever sent anyone to Hell, because you told them they were already universally saved, or would be after they died.. And because you told them that . .they died never trusting in Christ... and never were forgiven, and Hit God's eternal wrath against SIN as a Christ Rejector, and went to Hell, and are in it right now.
Did you ever cause that to happen to anyone you talked to @MatthewG ? As if you are a universalist then you can cause this to happen to someone, or many.
Bob Estey
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If you experience something awful that is the result of a sin you have committed, you might have a different understanding of what the lake of fire is.
Hello @Bob Estey,
You're really good at giving concise answers. Perhaps it's part of the fire Yeshua baptized with, don't you think? John the Baptized said, "He which is coming will baptise you in the Holy Spirit and fire." Maybe everyone experiences the fire at some point in life when they are coming closer to God. He is, after all, the " all-consuming fire." It's good to speculate, and think about the things which come from God.
You're really good at giving concise answers. Perhaps it's part of the fire Yeshua baptized with, don't you think? John the Baptized said, "He which is coming will baptise you in the Holy Spirit and fire." Maybe everyone experiences the fire at some point in life when they are coming closer to God. He is, after all, the " all-consuming fire." It's good to speculate, and think about the things which come from God.
Hello @Behold,
I do not believe in universalism. There is only one way to God, which is through the Word of God, known as Yeshua. There are many people whom are always preaching about Hell Fire, I am someone who believes that hell is done away with. The Bible states that it is. Whether or not you believe people continue to go to hell or not, is totally up to you. I believe Yeshua has overcame all things, if you do not believe that is so, that is totally okay with me as it's subjective whether or not you believe so personally. I am not you, and you are not me. I love you either way, whether you like me, or you don't like me, or you think I am just some crazy person. None of things matter, as much as loving you as a human being.
I do not believe in universalism. There is only one way to God, which is through the Word of God, known as Yeshua. There are many people whom are always preaching about Hell Fire, I am someone who believes that hell is done away with. The Bible states that it is. Whether or not you believe people continue to go to hell or not, is totally up to you. I believe Yeshua has overcame all things, if you do not believe that is so, that is totally okay with me as it's subjective whether or not you believe so personally. I am not you, and you are not me. I love you either way, whether you like me, or you don't like me, or you think I am just some crazy person. None of things matter, as much as loving you as a human being.
Behold
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Are you really trying to think about this "hell" situation?
So, where does God put the unforgiven person's spirit... whose spirit has left their body upon their death.......just like the spirit will leave the body if you are born again?
The spirit does not stay in the body in the Grave., so, its going somewhere.
Paul said he would rather be "absent from the body".. and present with the Lord"... and he's talking about DEATH and then "present with the Lord".
Now, purgatory is a false concept,
"soul sleep" is another..lie
Jesus said that if you die in your sins as a Christ rejector, then Hell is going to be worse then plucking out your own eye and cutting off your own hand.
He said its better to do that to yourself then to go to Hell.
That's not symbolic-speak.
Hello @Behold,
I believe people are resurrected and enter the heavenly realm, but not the Kingdom of Yahavah, who are non-believers and desire nothing to do with him. That is what the Bible proclaims. Where you are in your understanding, is where you are. I believe that Revelation 21, and 22, state that people are outside of the Kingdom. Some have their part in the lake of fire, perhaps that is the purge through which they can enter into the Heavenly Kingdom, in which even in the afterlife people can come to Yahavah if they so choose. Again it boils down to choice, just like your choice to communicate with me. You are someone who has a different perspective and that is okay with me. To fight or try to argue over these things, is futile. If you would like to show me where there are no people outside of the Kingdom of Yahavah/God, you are more than welcome to show me, but I doubt reversing what has been done in Revelation can be true.
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Revelation 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
I believe people are resurrected and enter the heavenly realm, but not the Kingdom of Yahavah, who are non-believers and desire nothing to do with him. That is what the Bible proclaims. Where you are in your understanding, is where you are. I believe that Revelation 21, and 22, state that people are outside of the Kingdom. Some have their part in the lake of fire, perhaps that is the purge through which they can enter into the Heavenly Kingdom, in which even in the afterlife people can come to Yahavah if they so choose. Again it boils down to choice, just like your choice to communicate with me. You are someone who has a different perspective and that is okay with me. To fight or try to argue over these things, is futile. If you would like to show me where there are no people outside of the Kingdom of Yahavah/God, you are more than welcome to show me, but I doubt reversing what has been done in Revelation can be true.
Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?
Hello there, PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST Many people believe that God is going to destroy people in the lake of fire, but is that true? In Revelation 20, you see that the devil, the false prophet, the beast are all placed in the lake of fire forever; and then following those who name was not...
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Revelation 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Behold
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The "bible proclaims" that all the born again Christians are "seated in Heavenly places in Christ'.......right now.
Not just after you die.
Let me show you this.....as noone else is going to do it.
Notice..
"GOD.. exists in LIGHT"...
See that Light?
That is the KOG.. its a Spiritual Kingdom.
When a person is born again.....they are born again into the KOG.........into God Himself... = "spiritual union" with God as "one with God".
How does the NT explain that has happened to the born again : Spirit? ????????????????????
A.) "having been Translated... from Darkness... to LIGHT".
This is why a CHRISTian, is a "child of the Light"........and Jesus is the "Light of the WORLD", and all the believers born again, are "in Christ".
Hello @Behold,
What does this have to do with the current conversation that we were just having? My friend, I know a lot about the bible and what it has to say. I don't say this out of arrogance, I just don't know why the sudden change of direction and conversation. We were talking about hell, etc... and the Kingdom of Heaven. People die they are resurrected, the condemned, and those of life, and those of a better resurrection.
What does this have to do with the current conversation that we were just having? My friend, I know a lot about the bible and what it has to say. I don't say this out of arrogance, I just don't know why the sudden change of direction and conversation. We were talking about hell, etc... and the Kingdom of Heaven. People die they are resurrected, the condemned, and those of life, and those of a better resurrection.
Behold
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Whenever someone says im there "Friend" on this forum.. i know to "duck".
Honestly, what you know about the bible, you either made up, or were taught it by a heretic., according to your posts and Threads.
Noting you post, nearly 90% of the time, can be found in "mainline Christianity" or relates to Paul's teaching.
Including your Preterism.
So...You just posted..
""""I believe people are resurrected and enter the heavenly realm, but not the Kingdom of Yahavah"""
So, that is not found in a NT.. as dead believers are right now "seated in heavenly places, and later are going to get a new body..
Paul said leaving the body .. and being with Christ, is the best of all......and as Christ is In Heaven, and the born again are already seated there "in Christ"...
See that?
So, your theology, even regarding this, is from Mars... it really is., and i know you like it there.....but that is no place to stay, my "friend".
Hello @Behold,
It seems to me that you have an agenda. That is alright. That is why I have you on ignore. I only respond to give you the benefit of the doubt. I do love you, and do wish you the best, but if your operation is simply to separate by segregation. You can be to yourself. I just simply have no time for it.
It seems to me that you have an agenda. That is alright. That is why I have you on ignore. I only respond to give you the benefit of the doubt. I do love you, and do wish you the best, but if your operation is simply to separate by segregation. You can be to yourself. I just simply have no time for it.
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