Earning Knowledge of God / Eternal Life

[marks]

Even though I am gobsmacked that anyone could actually make the decisions to shape their minds into the shapes Marks shapes his mind into,

Thanks for your "defense".

[/sarc]

I think your post is what would be called a hit piece.

Personally I look at all of you who are so rude to others and ask myself, "Christian"?

So many people, it seems, who need to self-affirm by stepping on others. That's not Christianity. It's just the fleshiness of the world.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Thanks for your "defense".

[/sarc]

I think your post is what would be called a hit piece.

Personally I look at all of you who are so rude to others and ask myself, "Christian"?

So many people, it seems, who need to self-affirm by stepping on others. That's not Christianity. It's just the fleshiness of the world.

Much love!

When was I rude to you?
Was it re your motives?
Can't write now.....

 

[GracePeace]

Thanks for your "defense".

[/sarc]

I think your post is what would be called a hit piece.

Personally I look at all of you who are so rude to others and ask myself, "Christian"?

So many people, it seems, who need to self-affirm by stepping on others. That's not Christianity. It's just the fleshiness of the world.

Much love!

I can't change how you view it. I am 100% honest about everything I said there. I was trying to get her to see that you really don't have evil intentions. Difficult.

 

[GodsGrace]

I can't change how you view it. I am 100% honest about everything I said there. I was trying to get her to see that you really don't have evil intentions. Difficult.

This is also for @marks.

I went back and see that what I said was:
Your motives are not good.

I didn't mean that marks motives are nefarious, evil and that they it was meant for him in this way.

I meant HIS MOTIVES ARE NOT GOOD...
the motives of anyone that promulgates OSAS are not good.
the motives will bring to no good...
the motives will bring to harm.

OSAS, BY SOME, not all , are taken to mean that even if someone returns to a life of sin,,,they will still be saved.
This is a dangerous teaching because JESUS stated that we MUST do good in His Kingdom here on earth.
We are to follow His instructions and fill our lives with the good.
John 5:28 JESUS said that we will be judged by our good works.

I know some want to skip over this type of verse...
but there you have it.

In this way....OSAS is dangerous.

I keep getting silly responses about revolving door salvation and the such.
Apparently this is a difficult subject matter...
although the NT is VERY CLEAR about what Jesus taught...
and all the writers.

 

[marks]

I know some want to skip over this type of verse...

Nonsense, and just more of the same.

Oh well!

 

[marks]

This is a dangerous teaching because JESUS stated that we MUST do good in His Kingdom here on earth.

If your life isn't changed for the better, changed towards Godliness, you have no business claiming you are born again.

But you don't do works to earn - or keep by earning - your salvation. This is Christianity 101.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Even though I am gobsmacked that anyone could actually make the decisions to shape their minds into the shapes Marks shapes his mind into

Is this what you consider your place to say? Why would you write this if not to elevate yourself in putting me down? Don't you see this??

Your opinions of your perceptions of others, what good are they? To share them makes you feel better about yourself, but contributes nothing to the discussion. At least in my opinion.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Nonsense, and just more of the same.

Oh well!

I quoted what JESUS stated.
Exactly as in the NT.

You believe it's nonsense?

 

[GodsGrace]

If your life isn't changed for the better, changed towards Godliness, you have no business claiming you are born again.

But you don't do works to earn - or keep by earning - your salvation. This is Christianity 101.

Much love!

No Christian I know thinks they're saved by works.

BUT

Jesus DID say that our good deeds WILL BE JUDGED.

You should read the entire NT.....

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Those that post as you do,,,,teaching OSAS....are possibly causing some to lose their salvation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Even though I am gobsmacked that anyone could actually make the decisions to shape their minds into the shapes Marks shapes his mind into, I wouldn't say his motives are not good, and it is not good for anyone to say his motives are not good. He simply reads differently than we do. As hard as it may be for you to believe, he actually believes the things (things we think are incoherent) he is saying. He doesn't have some evil motive. He's really trying to help people to the best of his ability by sharing what he perceives to be "God's Word".

The other member might believe 100% that he is right...
But the problem is that one of us is right and one is wrong.

IF we're going to err...err on the side of safety.
Jesus HIMSELF made statements showing and supporting the doctrine that OSAS is WRONG.
By stating OSAS, some could take it to mean that sinning is OK because we will be saved no matter what.
This is dangerous since Jesus HIMSELF taught that we will be judged by our good works.

We should pay attention to what JESUS stated and not what some pastor stated or what we've come to THINK on our own without paying heed to HIS words.

 

[GracePeace]

This is also for @marks.

I went back and see that what I said was:
Your motives are not good.

I didn't mean that marks motives are nefarious, evil and that they it was meant for him in this way.

I meant HIS MOTIVES ARE NOT GOOD...
the motives of anyone that promulgates OSAS are not good.
the motives will bring to no good...
the motives will bring to harm.

OSAS, BY SOME, not all , are taken to mean that even if someone returns to a life of sin,,,they will still be saved.
This is a dangerous teaching because JESUS stated that we MUST do good in His Kingdom here on earth.
We are to follow His instructions and fill our lives with the good.
John 5:28 JESUS said that we will be judged by our good works.

I know some want to skip over this type of verse...
but there you have it.

In this way....OSAS is dangerous.

I keep getting silly responses about revolving door salvation and the such.
Apparently this is a difficult subject matter...
although the NT is VERY CLEAR about what Jesus taught...
and all the writers.

But his intention is to have people trust God.

 

[GracePeace]

Is this what you consider your place to say? Why would you write this if not to elevate yourself in putting me down? Don't you see this??

Your opinions of your perceptions of others, what good are they? To share them makes you feel better about yourself, but contributes nothing to the discussion. At least in my opinion.

Much love!

I don't know your psychology, or how things work in your mind, but I don't need to feel better about myself on this issue.

 

[marks]

I don't know your psychology, or how things work in your mind, but I don't need to feel better about myself on this issue.

I'm just going by what it looks like. It's not about the issues, it's about the person. The one who tends to talk down to others, and particulary when these little jabs and barbs work their way into simple conversation. The person who speaks that way, and particulary when they are not aware of it, generally speaking, are doing so because they sense some lack in themself or their arguments, and is compensating by taking a superior personal stance, as though they can speak towards the minds and hearts and motives of others.

Notice I, for instance, don't tell people things like, you just want to ignore this verse, or, your mind has all the clarity of a kazoo, or whatever.

I don't expect you to believe the things I say, I don't really thing you will give serious consideration to the things I say. Just the same, I offer it up hoping that someone will benefit.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You should read the entire NT.....

Huh.

OK, yes, everyone should read the NT, and many times. I've found hundreds of times to be a good start.

Great comment!

Much love!

 

[marks]

I quoted what JESUS stated.
Exactly as in the NT.

You believe it's nonsense?

The verse? Or your statement?

Hm. I wonder which I would have meant . . .

You think I want to skip over verses? OK. Not much of a converation though. I'm kinda getting tired of talking about myself, I'm more interested in the Bible.

I don't mind these little forays into manners and speech, maybe someone will come to some new realization, but it's not the main dish.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

I'm just going by what it looks like. It's not about the issues, it's about the person. The one who tends to talk down to others, and particulary when these little jabs and barbs work their way into simple conversation. The person who speaks that way, and particulary when they are not aware of it, generally speaking, are doing so because they sense some lack in themself or their arguments, and is compensating by taking a superior personal stance, as though they can speak towards the minds and hearts and motives of others.

Notice I, for instance, don't tell people things like, you just want to ignore this verse, or, your mind has all the clarity of a kazoo, or whatever.

I don't expect you to believe the things I say, I don't really thing you will give serious consideration to the things I say. Just the same, I offer it up hoping that someone will benefit.

Much love!

I give serious consideration to everything people say--how else could I give a satisfactory response (whether positive or negative--satisfactory to me, anyway)?

That said, I really believe you are trying to help people, and I really think you are doing your best to serve the Lord, and I really think it is wrong to say you have bad motives, even if you are saying "OSAS".

 

[GodsGrace]

The verse? Or your statement?

marks....I went back and am unable to find the post in question.
I posted verses about what Jesus stated...
and you responded that it's nonsense.

IF you mean that my statement....whatever it was, is nonsense, well then maybe you should stop posting to me.
I have a way of conversing....if you don't care for it...you're free to leave the conversation.

I don't only post wads of verses like some posters do with NO explanation of what they're getting at.

I post what I have been taught by 3 different churches/denominations to be true...
have studied it on my own and have come to a conclusion...
And THEN I support it with scripture.

It's OK if you don't like this method...
but is THIS what you're calling nonsense?

Then stop posting to me.

Hm. I wonder which I would have meant . . .

You think I want to skip over verses? OK. Not much of a converation though. I'm kinda getting tired of talking about myself, I'm more interested in the Bible.

YES sir.
You skip over verses.
YOU yourself stated that you want to CONCENTRATE on only ONE VERSE.
And look....it's a verse that SEEMS to agree with your belief system.

So for how long should we concentrate on YOUR verse?
10 minutes?
an hour?

Am I not allowed to PROVE TO YOU that your verse has caveats?

A sincere bible student will consider ALL VERSES,,,,not just the ones that are convenient to him.

I don't mind these little forays into manners and speech, maybe someone will come to some new realization, but it's not the main dish.

Much love!

Looks like you can't handle the main dish.

 

[GodsGrace]

But his intention is to have people trust God.

Well intentioned persons have caused much havoc in our world....now and in the past.

Intentions don't really matter....
FACTS MATTER.

When a person has good intentions, but brings persons AWAY from what Jesus taught...
the intentions lose all importance.

What IS important is bringing persons to Jesus...
supporting what HE taught and not some idea that came about AFTER the reformation (and a long time after the reformation).

The truth has been available from the beginning....
starting with Jesus, The Apostles, and those they taught.

Any other idea/concept/doctrine, etc. must be evaluated VERY CAREFULLY because the chances are that they are false.


PS I do want to state that I feel the reformation was necessary to correct a church that had gone awry after many centuries of power that went unchecked. I'm speaking above of the original church that kept Christianity in check.

 

[Johann]

Even though I am gobsmacked that anyone could actually make the decisions to shape their minds into the shapes Marks shapes his mind into, I wouldn't say his motives are not good, and it is not good for anyone to say his motives are not good. He simply reads differently than we do. As hard as it may be for you to believe, he actually believes the things (things we think are incoherent) he is saying. He doesn't have some evil motive. He's really trying to help people to the best of his ability by sharing what he perceives to be "God's Word".

It's great to see you supporting our brother @marks @GracePeace!

He has a deep love for the Lord Jesus Christ and the Scriptures.

J.

 

[GracePeace]

YES sir.
You skip over verses.
YOU yourself stated that you want to CONCENTRATE on only ONE VERSE.
And look....it's a verse that SEEMS to agree with your belief system.

So for how long should we concentrate on YOUR verse?
10 minutes?
an hours?

Am I not allowed to PROVE TO YOU that your verse has caveats?

A sincere bible student will consider ALL VERSES,,,,not just the ones that are convenient to him.