Earning Knowledge of God / Eternal Life
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That's what I'm using. And I'm sticking to what is written.
OK, if you truly want to continue, later then.
Much love!
Oh for goodness sake marks...
Are you serious?
I'm gone.
I've posted the caveat.
Look for it.
You're just another person who refuses to believe the words of one passage because of how you understand another passage, and I'm not interested in declaring even a 3 or 4 verse section of Scripture to be false on it's face. Other people are, and it saves them the hard work of actually coming to understand these passages.
No matter, I'm not afraid of work, or of learning something new, particularly as concerns the Bible. And the fact is that I'm able to believe all the passages as true on their face - true as written. Forgive me if I fail to find your arguments compelling, considering that you won't engage with and declare exactly true ALL the Scriptures.
Yes, I'm serious. I believe the Bible, every word of it. Every word.
Much love!
No matter, I'm not afraid of work, or of learning something new, particularly as concerns the Bible. And the fact is that I'm able to believe all the passages as true on their face - true as written. Forgive me if I fail to find your arguments compelling, considering that you won't engage with and declare exactly true ALL the Scriptures.
Yes, I'm serious. I believe the Bible, every word of it. Every word.
Much love!
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Right....!
Right....
Agreed. Besides the fact that it's difficult to study Augustine because he changed his mind on important matters during his life-time and at times going back and forth between two understandings.
I agree that sin hardens the heart.
I doubt I said differently....
Ummmm marks....
You do NOT believe every word...
You believe what SUITS YOU.
'nuff of this.
OK, tell yourself that if you find it comforting.
Meanwhile you really aren't in any position to judge my motives.
Much love!
GP....the above is what those that believe in OSAS state....
that those that fall away never believed in the first place.
This is easily addressed.
Read Luke 8:13 and explain what it means.
13“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
That's JESUS making the statement.
How do you understand this?
There's more, BTW.
I cannot judge your soul marks.
But your MOTIVES CAN be judged.
And your motives are not good.
It's much easier to believe that a person cannot lose their salvation...
than to believe that they can.
THE CHURCH NEVER believed in OSAS until many years after the reformation.
Any doctrine that comes this late into Christianity....should be doubted/questioned.
You don't know my heart, this is simply hubris.
Sad! When discussions become planted in personal comments like this, it's over, that's all you have.
You refuse to actually examine and understand certain passages, and now you make it personal, all done.
Much love!
Yeah, in the preceding verses, the imperatives "seek the things that are above... set your affections on the things that are above not on earthly things"--this is not something all, or even most, Christians do. Not having affections for things of the earth, but for heaven, is not the norm with Christians. The opposite is true. It is the exception that someone has heavenly, and not earthly, affections.
So, the long and the short of it was that I agreed with you on OSAS was unbiblical and not apostolic--and we know this because the only place it ever appeared in early church history was among the gnostics, whom the Church declared heretics, and that, strikingly, OSAS began to appear in the Church only after a converted Gnostic (Augustine) began teaching. That can't be mere coincidence.
Right, so it just puzzled me why you began with "No", in that case--I was trying to figure out why you had begun with "no" (maybe you had gotten "refuted" mixed up with "refused"--apparently not).
Even though I am gobsmacked that anyone could actually make the decisions to shape their minds into the shapes Marks shapes his mind into, I wouldn't say his motives are not good, and it is not good for anyone to say his motives are not good. He simply reads differently than we do. As hard as it may be for you to believe, he actually believes the things (things we think are incoherent) he is saying. He doesn't have some evil motive. He's really trying to help people to the best of his ability by sharing what he perceives to be "God's Word".
