Where was TULIP actually formulated and when?

[Ronald Nolette]

We have had many threads on Calvinism and TULIP already. This is not to add to that already contentious number of discussions gone by but to give some historical perspective.

John Calvin did not come up with TULIP nor with the five points that bear his name. The five points were created as a response to the five points of Jacob Arminius' five points at the council of Dort. By then Calvin had been dead for approx. 60 years.

Also the points that rebutted Jacob Arminius did not come to be known by the Acronym TULIP until 1905 and did not make it into a publication until 1915.

As a matter of fact at the council of Dort, to refute Arminiasm, there were many publications and letters and speakers.

If one is really interested to see the biblical arguments of both sides they are easily googled.

It is interesting that in discussing these five points , people are compared as 2-3-4 or 5 pointers in reference to TULIP. Calvin had no part of the council of dort, nor in creating the acronym TULIP and once again if one wishes to see what this debate that has raged here is about biblically One can look up Jacob Arminius and the Council of Dort and The five points of Calvinsm at the Council of Dort.

 

[Behold]

We have had many threads on Calvinism and TULIP already. This is not to add to that already contentious number of discussions gone by but to give some historical perspective.

John Calvin did not come up with TULIP nor with the five points that bear his name. The five points were created as a response to the five points of Jacob Arminius' five points at the council of Dort. By then Calvin had b

You just can't quit trying to Sell Calvinism. @Ronald Nolette

God is not a Calvinist.

He's never created one yet.

Its Calvin who creates these Disciples.

 

[Behold]

Let me show the reader... Calvin's LIE.. the LIE OF Hyper-Calvinism.

This Lie is simply that some are chosen by God, to never be able to believe in Jesus.. so they are CAUSED by GOD to end up as the "Vessels fitted for Destruction".. according to LYING JOHN CALVINISM.
See that Lie?
And that Satanic Theology... is created by changing "Foreknowledge" into "pre-destined". And then Hyper-Calvinism refines this lie by teaching that because you have no Free Will, you can't of yourself trust in Christ.
So, lying Hyper Calvinism, has you ... pre-destined to be a """ Vessel fitted for Destruction"", by eliminating your free will, by changing "God's Foreknowledge" into "God predestined everything".. ..so that you now become predestined to go to Hell, and have no Free will to believe in Christ.
So, this ends up as God choosing you for Hell, and that is unbelievably Satanic, as a Theology, as it denies that Jesus died for everyone..John 3:16... and then Blames God for it.

A.) = That is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, as a Theology.

Now let me show you the most important part of the "vessels fitted" verse so that a Calvinist can't deceive you with it.
The Romans verse says... that God has "long-suffering" toward these "Vessels".
And that is related to this verse...found in 2 Peter

Notice it carefully.

""""The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING toward us, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""""""

See that? That verse is written to every unbeliever........ALL of them.., and we were ALL that at one time.........ALL of us... every person.
And when you read the "vessels fitted for Destruction".. it says the same thing.....that God is "" LONGSUFFERING toward them...""

So, reader, THINK......= if these "vessels fitted destruction" are Pre-Destined before they are born to go to Hell and can't Trust in Christ.... because God wont choose them..according to LYING HYPER CALVINISM.....then why is God "Long-Suffering Toward them???..= exactly as He is "longsuffering" toward "US"... in Peter's verse. ??
Its because God is not pre-destining anyone to Hell, as if He had chosen some for Hell, He would not care if they Go...He would not be "Longsuffering" toward them.....at all.....and yet, He is........longsuffering toward these "vessels fitted for detruction" because these are just UNBELIEVERS, who are in John 3:36. And, READER.... that was ALL OF US.. until we were Saved. We were ALL the "vessels fitted for destruction" until we TRUSTED IN CHRIST..

= No one is pre-destined for Hell.
= No one is pre-destined to not be able to trust in Christ.

 

[Behold]

Also Reader...

Calvinism is a spiritual infection, its a mind virus.. and the way you spread it... the way its spread is by reading it, or hearing it taught.
Hebrews 13:9 states that its a "doctrine of Devils".. "man made"..
So, by Teaching This doctrine of devils here in posts.., (which is to Sell it) or by defending it in posts or Threads, .. .its still being spread as a heresy.
That is your ministry on this forum, and im certain its what you do on them all. @ElectedbyHim.

Now what you need to do is realize that your mind, your theological mind is owned by Calvinism "TULIP".
And that is not of God.

And if you can find your way into that Light.. then realize this about TULIP>..,
It falls apart once you SEE that John Calvin... pre-destined... = God's Foreknowledge...and God didn't..... And that is the core rot of this Doctrine that led this demonically deceived terrible bible student... to try to predestine everything else.

And once you see that.. then when you read that God has Long-Suffering = toward the "vessels fitted for destruction".. you then ask.. "WHY,= if they are pre-chosen for Hell, before they are born.....why does God have "LONG-Suffering" for a Pre-Chosen for Hell?

Its because God does not want them (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16

 

[Behold]

Now, for the confused Calvinist who wants "OUT", because you know something is wrong with a Theology, that does not allow The Precious Son of God, to forgive Everyone.

Any Christian in their RIGHT MIND< knows that Jesus died for Sinners, and everyone is a sinner.
Any Christian in their Right Mind, knows that Jesus died for us ALL, and all may trust in Christ.

To TEACH that some people are chosen by God... to not be able to be forgiven....not allowed to become a Christian.... is obviously a Satanic Theology.

Here is help for you if you want out of this mind bending demonic theology.

And if you can find your way into that Light.... even that far.... then realize this about TULIP>..,
It falls apart once you SEE that John Calvin... pre-destined... = God's Foreknowledge...and God didn't..... And that is the core rot of this Doctrine that led this demonically deceived terrible bible student... to try to predestine everything else.

And once you see that.. then when you read that God has Long-Suffering = toward the "vessels fitted for destruction".. you then ask.. "WHY,= if they are pre-chosen for Hell, before they are born.....why does God have "LONG-Suffering" for Calvin's Pre-Chosen for Hell?

Its because God does not want them (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16

Reader, no one is "Pre-chosen" for Hell. ... No one is Pre-Chosen to not be allowed God's Grace. No one is Pre-Chosen, before they are born, to burn in the lake of Fire.

John Calvin's "GOD" is a monster of Evil, who refuses to offer Jesus's Salvation to some.

The Theology of TULIP>. "The Five Points" of Calvinism, is a blasphemy against the Cross of Christ that insults the Holy Spirit, and denies the Grace of God.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

We have had many threads on Calvinism and TULIP already. This is not to add to that already contentious number of discussions gone by but to give some historical perspective.

John Calvin did not come up with TULIP nor with the five points that bear his name. The five points were created as a response to the five points of Jacob Arminius' five points at the council of Dort. By then Calvin had been dead for approx. 60 years.

Also the points that rebutted Jacob Arminius did not come to be known by the Acronym TULIP until 1905 and did not make it into a publication until 1915.

As a matter of fact at the council of Dort, to refute Arminiasm, there were many publications and letters and speakers.

If one is really interested to see the biblical arguments of both sides they are easily googled.

It is interesting that in discussing these five points , people are compared as 2-3-4 or 5 pointers in reference to TULIP. Calvin had no part of the council of dort, nor in creating the acronym TULIP and once again if one wishes to see what this debate that has raged here is about biblically One can look up Jacob Arminius and the Council of Dort and The five points of Calvinsm at the Council of Dort.

As a matter of fact at the council of Dort, to refute Arminiasm, there were many publications and letters and speakers.

This.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Now, for the confused Calvinist who wants "OUT", because you know something is wrong with a Theology, that does not allow The Precious Son of God, to forgive Everyone.

Any Christian in their RIGHT MIND< knows that Jesus died for Sinners, and everyone is a sinner.
Any Christian in their Right Mind, knows that Jesus died for us ALL, and all may trust in Christ.

To TEACH that some people are chosen by God... to not be able to be forgiven....not allowed to become a Christian.... is obviously a Satanic Theology.

Here is help for you if you want out of this mind bending demonic theology.

And if you can find your way into that Light.... even that far.... then realize this about TULIP>..,
It falls apart once you SEE that John Calvin... pre-destined... = God's Foreknowledge...and God didn't..... And that is the core rot of this Doctrine that led this demonically deceived terrible bible student... to try to predestine everything else.

And once you see that.. then when you read that God has Long-Suffering = toward the "vessels fitted for destruction".. you then ask.. "WHY,= if they are pre-chosen for Hell, before they are born.....why does God have "LONG-Suffering" for Calvin's Pre-Chosen for Hell?

Its because God does not want them (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16

Are you suggesting that Christ died for evey human whoever lived?

If that is the case, there will be no one in hell, because His blood will atone for the sin of unbelief and every other sin.

That is not Biblical.

 

[Behold]

Are you suggesting that Christ died for evey human whoever lived?

The Cross is not Salvation given to everyone universally... The Cross of Christ is the OFFER of THE GIFT OF Salvation, given to everyone, universally.

"TO ALL who will believe"...

Listen..
Its because God does not want (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .....

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16 = "THE WORLD".

 

[ElectedbyHim]

The Cross is not Salvation given to everyone universally... The Cross of Christ is the offer of THE GIFT OF Salvation, given to everyone, universally.

"TO ALL who will believe"...

Listen..
Its because God does not want (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .....

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16

Lets try again, you did not answer the question.

Are you suggesting that Christ died for evey human whoever lived?

Also, stay on topic.

Do you seek that much attention?

 

[Behold]

Are you suggesting that Christ died for evey human whoever lived?

Yes, God sent Jesus into this WORLD.... to offer Salvation to everyone, for the last 2000 yr +.

John 3:16

"Jesus came into the WORLD.. to save SINNERS"

Everyone is a sinner.......So, Jesus came to save everyone............

John 3:16

This is the universal offer of Salvation..... John 3:16

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Yes, God sent Jesus into this WORLD.... to offer Salvation to everyone, for the last 2000 yr +.

John 3:16

"Jesus came into the WORLD.. to save SINNERS"

Everyone is a sinner.......So, Jesus came to save everyone............

John 3:16

This is the universal offer of Salvation..... John 3:16

Universalism.

So, no one will be in hell.

Noted.

 

[Behold]

Universalism.

So, no one will be in hell.

Noted.

What is "noted" is your lack of comprehension.... @ElectedbyHim
And there is no doubt that you will show us the same thing again, very soon..

See you there..

Listen..

In a previous post i explained clearly that The Offer of Salvation, is universal, but the application of Salvation, is not.

Comprehend ??

I realize that you have difficulty reading what others post to you, while you are trying to hear yourself talk.....so, take my advice and go back to my post..........to you.... that is # 8, where i explained universalism to you.

 

[quietthinker]

Where was TULIP actually formulated and when?​

I can't be certain because there is no chapter and verse in the Bible I can find but wasn't Holland a contender as its primary location? ......

 

[ElectedbyHim]

The "Five Points" of Arminianism

1. Free Will or Human Ability
Although human nature was seriously affected by the fall, man has not been left in a state of total spiritual helplessness. God graciously enables every sinner to repent and believe, but He does not interfere with man's freedom. Each sinner possesses a free will, and his eternal destiny depends on how he uses it. Man's freedom consists of his ability to choose good over evil in spiritual matters; his will is not enslaved to his sinful nature. The sinner has the power to either cooperate with God's Spirit and be regenerated or resist God's grace and perish. The lost sinner needs the Spirit's assistance, but he does not have to be regenerated by the Spirit before he can believe, for faith is man's act and precedes the new birth. Faith is the sinner's gift to God; it is man's contribution to salvation.

2. Conditional Election
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world was based upon His foreseeing that they would respond to His call. He selected only those whom He knew would of themselves freely believe the gospel. Election therefore was determined by or conditioned upon what man would do. The faith which God foresaw and upon which He based His choice was not given to the sinner by God (it was not created by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit) but resulted solely from man's will. It was left entirely up to man as to who would believe and therefore as to who would be elected unto salvation. God chose those whom He knew would, of their own free will, choose Christ. Thus the sinner's choice of Christ, not God's choice of the sinner, is the ultimate cause of salvation.

3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
Christ's redeeming work made it possible for everyone to be saved but did not actually secure the salvation of anyone. Although Christ died for all men and for every man, only those who believe on Him are saved. His death enabled God to pardon sinners on the condition that they believe, but it did not actually put away anyone's sins. Christ's redemption becomes effective only if man chooses to accept it.


4. The Holy Spirit Can be Effectually Resisted
The Spirit calls inwardly all those who are called outwardly by the gospel invitation; He does all that He can to bring every sinner to salvation. But inasmuch as man is free, he can successfully resist the Spirit's call. The Spirit cannot regenerate the sinner until he believes; faith (which is man's contribution) precedes and makes possible the new birth. Thus, man's free will limits the Spirit in the application of Christ's saving work. The Holy Spirit can only draw to Christ those who allow Him to have His way with them. Until the sinner responds, the Spirit cannot give life. God's grace, therefore, is not invincible; it can be, and often is, resisted and thwarted by man.


5. Falling from Grace
Those who believe and are truly saved can lose their salvation by failing to keep up their faith, etc. All Arminians have not been agreed on this point; some have held that believers are eternally secure in Christ--that once a sinner is regenerated, he can never be lost.


REJECTED by the Synod of Dort
This was the system of thought contained in the "Remonstrance" (though the "five points" were not originally arranged in this order). It was submitted by the Arminians to the Church of Holland in 1610 for adoption but was rejected by the Synod of Dort in 1619 on the ground that it was unscriptural.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

What is "noted" is your lack of comprehension.... @ElectedbyHim
And there is no doubt that you will show us the same thing again, very soon..

See you there..

Listen..

In a previous post i explained clearly that The Offer of Salvation, is universal, but the application of Salvation, is not.

Comprehend ??

I realize that you have difficulty reading what others post to you, while you are trying to hear yourself talk.....so, take my advice and go back to my post..........to you.... that is # 8, where i explained universalism to you.

Stay on Topic.

Can you do that?

 

[Behold]

Where was TULIP actually formulated and when?​

I can't be certain because there is no chapter and verse in the Bible I can find but wasn't Holland a contender as its primary location? ......

Its interesting to note that Calvinism is an assault against The Cross of Christ....... thats being defended under the guise of "rebutting" some other theology.

Calvin was a clever devil.

 

[Behold]

Stay on Topic.

If you can't comprehend that the offer of Salvation is not the application of it. .. then how can we have a discussion.

I need you to be able to comprehend...... as otherwise, all thats left for you to do is just try to sell Calvinism., which you will try to do anyway.

So, Comprehend this, if possible, while you are considering what i told you...
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You are here to SELL Calvinism, to weak believers who will fall for it, and become a Calvinist... or you are here to try to defend this Devil's lies, as that is the secondary way that a Calvinist uses to try to enlist people into it.

See, Calvinism is a spiritual infection, its a mind virus.. and the way you spread it... the way its spread is by reading it, or hearing it taught, or defended.
So, by Teaching This doctrine of devils here in posts.., (which is to Sell it) or by defending it in posts or Threads, .. .its still being spread as a heresy.
That is your ministry on this forum, and im certain its what you do on them all. @ElectedbyHim.

No doubt that you are on a Calvinism ONLY Forum, somewhere...

Now what you need to do is realize that your mind, your theological mind is owned by Calvinism "TULIP".
And that is not of God.

And if you can find your way into that Light.. then realize this about TULIP>..,
It falls apart once you SEE that John Calvin... pre-destined... = God's Foreknowledge...and God didn't..... And that is the core rot of this Doctrine that led this demonically deceived terrible bible student... to try to predestine everything else.

And once you see that.. then when you read that God has Long-Suffering = toward the "vessels fitted for destruction".. you then ask..

= ....."WHY,= if they are pre-chosen for Hell, before they are born.. as TULIP falsely teaches..... then why does God have "LONG-Suffering" for a Pre-Chosen for Hell?

Its because God does not want them (ANY) to Perish... but He wants ALL to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus .

2 Peter 3:9 KJV """"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.""

"ALL".. Is John 3:16 and that is "THE WORLD", in John 3:16

 

[quietthinker]

Its interesting to note that Calvinism is an assault against The Cross of Christ....... thats being defended under the guise of "rebutting" some other theology.

Calvin was a clever devil.

Calvin was a lawyer as was Luther. They saw/ interpreted the scriptures through that paradigm.
What is the paradigm you interpret the scriptures through, Behold?

 

[Behold]

Calvin was a lawyer

Calvin was a liar, who as a professing CHRISTIAN.... who helped burn a Christian to death.
He preferred that they cut off this man's head.. but, in the end they burned him alive.

Did Jesus ever do that?
Did Jesus tell Calvin to do that?. or any Christian?

Then never believe that Calvin and Jesus are in the same "spiritual" situation.

as was Luther.

Luther was a Greek/Latin translator for the "Cult of Mary".

It was because he was translating one day and read Jerome's translations that he came to understand this CULT He was in, as he realized that Jerome was changing scriptures according to what he wanted them to say..
The "cult of mary" has done this for 1500 + yrs.

The define it as "building upon" the Scriptures..

What is the paradigm you interpret the scriptures through, Behold?

I "rightly divide" the NT, according to how the Holy Spirit will lead any believer to do it, as long as they follow Hebrews 13:9... and do that with their heart, and then learn Paul's Doctrine/Theology.

 

[quietthinker]

I "rightly divide" the NT, according to how the Holy Spirit will lead any believer to do it, as long as they follow Hebrews 13:9... and do that with their heart, and then learn Paul's Doctrine/Theology.

I see you are so sure you have 'rightly divided' , anything that comes in from left field is either designated 'of the devil' or ignored as irrelevant?....hmmmmm

Basically Behold, I see you making your own cognition the arbitrator....and calling it 'rightly divided'