It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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You are fighting the facts. Your rebuttal is simply what you have been taught. That does not cut it.
Spiritual Israelite
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So, you think the descriptions of the horses, the clouds and sickles and such should all be taken literally and that is why you say Revelation 14:14-16 and Revelation 19:11-21 are different events. Have you considered that those descriptions are symbolic rather than literal? Revelation 14:14-20 and Revelation 19:11-21 are symbolic descriptions of different aspects of what will happen on the day that Christ comes again.
He is not going to be literally riding on a white horse with a literal sword coming out of His mouth when He comes. He also isn't going to literally sitting on a cloud with a literal sharp sickle in His hands when He comes. Your entire view is based on taking symbolism literally. You end up with interpretations that contradict a lot of other scriptures. But, do you care about that? Of course you don't.
LOL. Do you ever tire of posting complete nonsense? Those passages are not meant to be taken literally. Once you realize that then there's no reason to think that they can't be when He comes in like manner from heaven (visibly and bodily) of how He ascended to heaven. He IS only coming from heaven once and that is clearly what scripture teaches. Why would He come from heaven more than once? There would be no reason for that. But, more importantly, scripture does not teach that. You are the gullible one who believes in multiple future comings of Christ.
The Light
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The Light
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No Pre-TB
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This sounds like Pre Trib:
the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination,
Whereas those that go through the tribulation:
For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not fear when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination,
Whereas those that go through the tribulation:
For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not fear when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
No Pre-TB
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The Light
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The Light
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The Light
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If it is not complete, then it is not determined.
But Daniel said that "70 weeks are determined."
That includes the 70th week.
So your claim is false.
The Light
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I'm determined to win. Does that mean I have won? No.
As I said, when the rest of Daniel 9 is read, it is obvious that the 70th week is not complete.
Your conclusion is in error and left wanting.
You're obviously unaware that Merriam-Webster didn't write the Daniel 9:24 definition of "determined."
What's your excuse?
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
determine
A primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree -- determine.
Seventy weeks are "cut off" according to Daniel.
Not your 69, leaving your 70th decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.
Denying and rejecting the complete and perfect sacrifice of Messiah the Prince at Calvary.
And contorting Christ into antichrist.
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The Light
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70 weeks are determined on the people of Daniel. Only 69 weeks have completed. There is another week to complete of the 70 weeks that are determined.
Hmmm. I missed the part where the denying and rejecting came in.
Do you need your DNA kit? Or is God able to determine who the people of Daniel are without your assistance?
Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
I missed the part of history where the Jews destroyed the city of Jerusalem. What year did the people of the Messiah destroy their own city?
Exactly, they didn't. Your version of Daniel 9 lacks legs and has nothing to stand on. Again, left wanting.
The Light
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I think there are some Bible 101 classes available in your area that could help you clear this up.
Never expect a dispen to recognize or understand history.
But there it is. From the Jews themselves.
Don't you dare disbelieve your chosen people.
"Outside Jerusalem, Roman troops prepared to besiege the city; inside the city, the Jews were engaged in a suicidal civil war. In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt's failure, and the Temple's destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b). While the Romans would have won the war in any case, the Jewish civil war both hastened their victory and immensely increased the casualties. One horrendous example: In expectation of a Roman siege, Jerusalem's Jews had stockpiled a supply of dry food that could have fed the city for many years. But one of the warring Zealot factions burned the entire supply, apparently hoping that destroying this "security blanket" would compel everyone to participate in the revolt. The starvation resulting from this mad act caused suffering as great as any the Romans inflicted."
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I vote to give pretrib a decent ressurection.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2
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