How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

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I'm not saying God cannot be known, I'm saying the Godhead is a mystery, a supernatural thing

There is plenty reveal about the Godhead RLT. A Single sovereign All Powerful God besides him there is none other.

Exodus 3:14: When Moses asks for God's name, God responds, "I AM WHO I AM." This statement reveals God's eternal and self-sufficient nature. He exists independently of all things and is the ultimate authority over all creation.

Consider how you are changing Him?

F2F

 

[RLT63]

Elie, you don't need to prove this truth its a fact. The weight of responsibility is for them to prove the dogma from Scripture and they know they can't. They are trapped within their own false doctrine.

F2F

Speak for yourself

 

[ElieG12]

Really not helpful unless you can read Greek

At the bottom of the page is the translation of each word in English.

Most older manuscripts have "only-begotten god" instead "only-begotten Son" in John 1:18.

 

[RLT63]

There is plenty reveal about the Godhead RLT. A Single sovereign All Powerful God besides him there is none other.

Exodus 3:14: When Moses asks for God's name, God responds, "I AM WHO I AM." This statement reveals God's eternal and self-sufficient nature. He exists independently of all things and is the ultimate authority over all creation.

Consider how you are changing Him?

F2F

I'm not changing him

 

[face2face]

I'm not changing him

Yeah you are

 

[RLT63]

At the bottom of the page is the translation of each word in English.

Most older manuscripts have "only-begotten god" instead "only-begotten Son" in John 1:18.

And what does this tell you?

 

[RLT63]

Yeah you are

That would be you

 

[ElieG12]

He also wrote this about Jesus:
Rev 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega , the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.

You think that is Jesus talking, but it's not. The One talking there is God.

In the whole book of Revelation, GOD, the Majesty of the Universe, is sitting on the throne.

In chapter 5 Jesus, the Lamb, take a roll from his hand.

After that, we read:

Rev. 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

... meaning no one in heavens believe Jesus is God.

 

[RLT63]

That is false. How could it be possible for God to demand that his servants know him and yet be a mystery to prevent them from doing so?

John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

If God is a mystery as Trinitarians say, no one could know Him in order to be saved. So why does the Bible say that God's servants have to know Him?

Rom. 10:11 For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

The trinitarian stranger god may be a mystery, the true God is not.

God is not a mystery, the Godhead is. Even so you can't UNDERSTAND God, you can know him but you can't understand him

 

[ElieG12]

And what does this tell you?

That Jesus is a god, but not the God that no one has seen.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God.
... 14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.
... 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

 

[ElieG12]

God is not a mystery, the Godhead is. Even so you can't UNDERSTAND God, you can know him but you can't understand him

Again: that is false as demonstrated in the post you just quoted.
Please, don't repeat the same. Stop playing and move to the next point.

The Scriptures are clear. The triune-godhead is not a teaching of Jesus or any Christian who followed him in the first century.

 

[RLT63]

You think that is Jesus talking, but it's not. The One talking there is God.

In the whole book of Revelation, GOD, the Majesty of the Universe, is sitting on the throne.

In chapter 5 Jesus, the Lamb, take a roll from his hand.

After that, we read:

Rev. 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

... meaning no one in heavens believe Jesus is God.

The one which is, and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty. Is Jesus.
God the Father didn't die on the cross

 

[RLT63]

That Jesus is a god, but not the God that no one has seen.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God.
... 14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.
... 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

Agreed

 

[RLT63]

Again: that is false as demonstrated in the post you just quoted.
Please, don't repeat the same. Stop playing and move to the next point.

The Scriptures are clear. The triune-godhead is not a teaching of Jesus or any Christian who followed him in the first century.

It's throughout the scriptures but I am not concerned with the Trinity.
Jesus is God is the truth

 

[RLT63]

Rev 21:6 - And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Jhn 7:38 - He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out ofhis belly shall flow rivers of living water.

 

[RLT63]

That is false. How could it be possible for God to demand that his servants know him and yet be a mystery to prevent them from doing so?

John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

If God is a mystery as Trinitarians say, no one could know Him in order to be saved. So why does the Bible say that God's servants have to know Him?

Rom. 10:11 For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

The trinitarian stranger god may be a mystery, the true God is not.

You can know God, it doesn't mean that you understand him.
The Godhead is a mystery

 

[RLT63]

There is plenty reveal about the Godhead RLT. A Single sovereign All Powerful God besides him there is none other.

Exodus 3:14: When Moses asks for God's name, God responds, "I AM WHO I AM." This statement reveals God's eternal and self-sufficient nature. He exists independently of all things and is the ultimate authority over all creation.

Consider how you are changing Him?

F2F

Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[ElieG12]

The one which is, and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty. Is Jesus.
God the Father didn't die on the cross

In Rev. 1:8 is God the one talking, not Jesus.

Jesus is not called with the term Almighty, because Jesus has a God.
The only one who can be Almighty is the God of gods: the Father.

Meditate in the account in Rev. 5. It starts like this:

Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of the One seated on the throne a scroll written on both sides, sealed tight with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or underneath the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 I gave way to a great deal of weeping because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.

The one in the throne has the scroll in His hand. At this moment of the account Jesus can't take the scroll; Jesus don't know what the scroll contains.

Later the account continues saying that Jesus made his sacrifice, and it is then when he is considered worthy of taking the scroll.

Then you can realize that Jesus is not in the same position of the One in the throne. In Rev. 3.12 we read Jesus saying:

Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

Then we understand that Jesus is not Almighty. If after this short analysis we go back to Rev. 1:8, then we understand that is the One in the throne talking there.

 

[RLT63]

Act 17:29 - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, orsilver, or stone, graven by art and mans device.
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Act 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).

What is the Godhead? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Godhead? Is the Godhead the same thing as the Trinity? Is the idea of a Godhead biblical?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[RLT63]

In Rev. 1:8 is God the one talking, not Jesus.

Jesus is not called with the term Almighty, because Jesus has a God.
The only one who can be Almighty is the God of gods: the Father.

Meditate in the account in Rev. 5. It starts like this:

Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of the One seated on the throne a scroll written on both sides, sealed tight with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or underneath the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 I gave way to a great deal of weeping because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.

The one in the throne has the scroll in His hand. At this moment of the account Jesus can't take the scroll; Jesus don't know what the scroll contains.

Later the account continues saying that Jesus made his sacrifice, and it is then when he is considered worthy of taking the scroll.

Then you can realize that Jesus is not in the same position of the One in the throne. In Rev. 3.12 we read Jesus saying:

Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

Then we understand that Jesus is not Almighty. If after this short analysis we go back to Rev. 1:8, then we understand that is the One in the throne talking there.

Jesus proclaimed Himself to be the “Alpha and Omega” in Revelation 1:8; 21:6; and 22:13. Alpha and omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Among the Jewish rabbis, it was common to use the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet to denote the whole of anything, from beginning to end. Jesus as the beginning and end of all things is a reference to no one but the true God. This statement of eternality could apply only to God. It is seen especially in Revelation 22:13, where Jesus proclaims that He is “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Source:

What does it mean that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega? What does it mean that Jesus is the beginning and the end?

www.gotquestions.org