How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

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The triads or "trinity" of gods has a long history, such as ancient Egypt some 3,500 years ago as the first world power of Bible prophecy (Isa 52:4a), that had its triad of Osiris (father), Isis (Osiris wife, mother) and Horus (their son).

Assyria as the second world power of Bible prophecy (Isa 52:4b, from about 9th to the 7th centuries B.C.E.), though having its national god of Asshur (that is seen with three heads discovered on a seal in the ruins of an Assyrian palace by English archaeologist A. H. Layard from 1845-51 C.E.), had its triad of gods, such as Aner (representing heaven where birds fly), Bel (representing the earth where man and the animals live), and Ea (representing the watera where fish and other aquatic animals live).

Another triad was that Sin (the moon-god), Shamash (the sun-god), and Rammah (the god of storm, that was often replaced with the fertility goddess Ishtar, a Babylonian goddess, as queen of the stars or "heavens", being absorbed from ancient Babylon, for ancient Babylon was "a land of graven images", Jer 50:1, 38), that had infiltrated the Israelites worship of Jehovah (God's name, see Ex 6:3, KJV) God, as can be seen at 2 Kings 23:5, 11.

By the time Jesus arrived on the earth as the promised Messiah in 29 C.E., ancient Rome was rife with pagan worship. With Augustus Caesar being proclaimed the first "Pontifex Maximus" or "chief priest" of the Roman Empire in 12 B.C.E., this pushed paganism to greater heights.

It saw the observance of Saturnalia, a festival that ran from December 17-24, whereby slaves were temporarily freed and gifts were given and then on December 25, it celebrated "the birthday of the invincible sun", of the Persian god of light, Mithra, that was absorbed by the newly created Catholic (meaning "1. all-inclusive: 2. useful to all: 3. all-embracing:", Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005, embracing pagan religious ideologies and "Christianizing" them) church, that has been "Christianized" as Christmas.

Ancient Rome also had it own triad of gods, such as Jupiter (ruler of the gods, the son of the god Saturn), Juno, and Minerva, so that "with the goddesses Juno and Minerva, Jupiter formed the triad whose worship was the central cult of the Roman state."(Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005)

By the 4th century C.E., the subject of who God and Jesus is, was a "hot topic" and was causing "fractures" within Roman society, so that Roman Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E to "settle" the issue (which it did not).

By 451 C.E., at the Council of Chalcedon, the "Holy Trinity" was now complete when the holy spirit was added "in the mix" as the "third person of the Holy Trinity", in which so-called "Christianity" (or the beginning of Christendom as "the antichrists", that means "against (or instead of) Christ", at 1 John 2:18-23, that was developing while the apostle John was alive, replacing true Christianity with their false Christianity, the "weeds" at Matthew 13:24-30, counterfeit Christians), absorbed (or reflected) it from pagan Rome's trinity.

So, "the Holy Trinity" was a culmination of counterfeit Christians, creating their own form of worship that tries to give the impression that it is genuine, when, in fact, it is counterfeit, just as counterfeit money can fool the vast majority of people, unless they are trained to distinguish counterfeit money from genuine money.

Thus, the realm of Christendom has been fooled with its counterfeit "theology", with its "Holy Trinity", for John 1:1, 2 reads of Jesus, according to the Codex Vaticanus of about 350 C.E., that predates the King James Bible by some 1,261 years: "In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God. And a god was the Word. This was in a beginning with the God."(Emphatic Diaglott, pub in 1864 C.E.)
We are not discussing other cultures and other religions here by which to ascertain The TRUTH.

We are discussing the TRUTH found in the Holy Scriptures, ie - the Word of God

If you desire to know the Truth you must believe the words that God has spoken and had recorded for us = so that we can be SAVED

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
 

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It's true that there has been a long history of gods, dating back to Egyptian times. Where do you think the early church fathers found their theological answers? It certainly wasn’t from the Bible!

@RLT63, be sure to read that PDF—it's a tough read for a Trinitarian, but acknowledging the development of this doctrine is an important first step... it seems some in this forum are beginning to do just that.

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You don't pay attention, I don't care about what is called the Trinity, I care about the truth in the scriptures, the truth that you deny.
Trinity is just a word for something we don't understand.
It's beyond our grasp.
But what you are teaching is not what the scriptures teach
 

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I guess I didn't do a good enough job of explaining. Christians (individually) are a different thing from Christians (corporately). One of them DOES contain all the fulness of the Godhead, while the other does not.
There is not any triune-Godhead among the original Christian teachings. The first Christians were Jews. We are talking about the apostles, including Matthew, Peter and John, the family of Jesus, including his half-brothers James and Jude, and also about Paul, who had been a fervent Pharisee.

A Jew would never have stopped worshiping Jehovah as his only God. Jesus himself was Jewish, and when he spoke to the Samaritan woman he said, "We worship what we know" (John 4:22). He then tells her that true worshipers would come to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and that the Father is looking for such people to worship him (John 4:23,24).

It is clear that there is no triune god before Christ or in the time of Christ. Apostolic teaching was based on the same basic principle: one God and Father of all and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 8:6).

Then, why do some feel so committed to a doctrine that neither Jesus taught, nor the first Christians even knew?
 
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Paul deals with the Mystery revealed:
  1. Ephesians 3:3-6:
    • “...the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.”
    • Paul reveals that the "mystery" is the inclusion of Gentiles in God's salvation plan, which was previously not fully understood.
  2. Colossians 1:26-27:
    • “The mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
    • Here, Paul speaks of the mystery as Christ being in believers, offering hope and glory to all who are in Christ.
  3. Romans 16:25-26:
    • “Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith...”
    • In Romans, Paul speaks of the mystery being revealed through the gospel, again emphasizing the inclusion of the Gentiles and the obedience that comes through faith in Jesus.
  4. 1 Timothy 3:16:
    • Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.”
    • This passage summarizes the mystery of godliness, which is the revelation of Jesus Christ — His sonship, death, resurrection, and exaltation.
1 Timothy 3:16 is the problematic verse especially in relation to Sin's Flesh - Being Vindicated by the Spirit (justified) - If Jesus was God how can God be justified by the Spirit :eek: and being raised up in Glory which speaks to Jesus inheriting a name, divine nature and passing into the Heavens to sit at the Fathers right hand.

The Trinitarian has no need whatsoever to claim mystery at all

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There is not any triune-Godhead among the original Christian teachings. The first Christians were Jews. We are talking about the apostles, including Matthew, Peter and John, the family of Jesus, including his half-brothers James and Jude, and also about Paul, who had been a fervent Pharisee.

A Jew would never have stopped worshiping Jehovah as his only God. Jesus himself was Jewish, and when he spoke to the Samaritan woman he said, "We worship what we know" (John 4:22). He then tells her that true worshipers would come to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and that the Father is looking for such people to worship him (John 4:23,24).

It is clear that there is no triune god before Christ or in the time of Christ. Apostolic teaching was based on the same basic principle: one God and Father of all and one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Cor. 8:6).

Then, why do some feel so committed to a doctrine that neither Jesus taught, nor the first Christians even knew?
The evidentiary Truth of the Triune Elohim begins in Genesis chapter 1

Monotheistic Jews had JESUS crucified because HE told them HE was the only Begotten Son of God, thus making Him equal with God His Father.

The same monotheists today would gather around JESUS and seek to kill Him just as they did back then.

Which group do you belong to???
 
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Wow that's a big admission!

No, Logos has become many things RLT which you know is true; just not wanting to give ground on Christ being that Spiritual Creation as Colossians teaches!

Error can not be understood

The mystery has been revealed - Paul has made that crystal clear

It saddens me to watch a person fall on this sword - so pointless


It's beyond the grasp for those who have error - I agree with that

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God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble, pride comes before the fall.
You are in error and are blind to the truth.
I pray that you will be saved despite your error
 
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The evidentiary Truth of the Triune Elohim begins in Genesis chapter 1

Monotheistic Jew had JESUS crucified because HE told them HE was the only Begotten Son of God, thus making Him equal with God His Father.

The same monotheists today would gather around JESUS and seek to kill Him just as they did back then.
Angels dear watson, angels!

Unless you believe God and Jesus had sinned?

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” Gen 3:22

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Angels dear watson, angels!

Unless you believe God and Jesus had sinned?

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” Gen 3:22

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Matthew 18:15
"Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

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Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
 

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Paul deals with the Mystery revealed:
  1. Ephesians 3:3-6:
    • “...the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.”
    • Paul reveals that the "mystery" is the inclusion of Gentiles in God's salvation plan, which was previously not fully understood.
  2. Colossians 1:26-27:
    • “The mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
    • Here, Paul speaks of the mystery as Christ being in believers, offering hope and glory to all who are in Christ.
  3. Romans 16:25-26:
    • “Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith...”
    • In Romans, Paul speaks of the mystery being revealed through the gospel, again emphasizing the inclusion of the Gentiles and the obedience that comes through faith in Jesus.
  4. 1 Timothy 3:16:
    • Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.”
    • This passage summarizes the mystery of godliness, which is the revelation of Jesus Christ — His sonship, death, resurrection, and exaltation.
1 Timothy 3:16 is the problematic verse especially in relation to Sin's Flesh - Being Vindicated by the Spirit (justified) - If Jesus was God how can God be justified by the Spirit :eek: and being raised up in Glory which speaks to Jesus inheriting a name, divine nature and passing into the Heavens to sit at the Fathers right hand.

The Trinitarian has no need whatsoever to claim mystery at all

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1Ti 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest inthe flesh, justified in the Spirit,seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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Matthew 18:15
"Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

@face2face

Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
John didn't write Genesis 3:22 David - are you okay?
 

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1Ti 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest inthe flesh, justified in the Spirit,seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Love that word Manifest, don't you?
Justified mean to be made right with God - see the problem?
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John didn't write Genesis 3:22 David - are you okay?
The Apostle John quoted Genesis in His Gospel begining in chapter 1 verse 1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
 

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The evidentiary Truth of the Triune Elohim begins in Genesis chapter 1
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That's ridiculous, sorry. Have you ever seen a Jew who believed that Genesis speaks of a multiple God?

Trinitarians have gone to too much trouble in their eagerness to find something in the bible to support that erroneous doctrine they inherited from apostate Christendom after the 2nd century, when the apostles had already passed away. That religion, which later became politically affiliated with Rome, was influenced by Greek philosophies that already believed in certain types of mystical trinities. To please people, they mixed truth with lies and failed Christ.
 

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Great is the mystery, that's why you don't understand
No RLT.

Why did Jesus need to be justified by the Spirit.

Think about it and don't explain it away - go in search of why

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That's ridiculous, sorry. Have you ever seen a Jew who believed that Genesis speaks of a multiple God?

Trinitarians have gone to too much trouble in their eagerness to find something in the bible to support that erroneous doctrine they inherited from apostate Christendom after the 2nd century, when the apostles had already passed away. That religion, which later became politically affiliated with Rome, was influenced by Greek philosophies that already believed in certain types of mystical trinities. To please people, they mixed truth with lies and failed Christ.
Have you ever seen a Jew who believed that Genesis speaks of a multiple God?

YES and quite a few actually!!!

Here is just one Jew who knew the Truth beginning in Genesis.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
 
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The Apostle John quoted Genesis in His Gospel begining in chapter 1 verse 1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
Genesis 3:22 reads:

"And the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—'" (ESV)

Do you think this is God & Jesus who experienced sin or more likely to be the angels?

Did I claim somewhere to be wiser than John? Maybe you can show me the post?

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Paul deals with the Mystery revealed:
  1. Ephesians 3:3-6:
    • “...the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.”
    • Paul reveals that the "mystery" is the inclusion of Gentiles in God's salvation plan, which was previously not fully understood.
  2. Colossians 1:26-27:
    • “The mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
    • Here, Paul speaks of the mystery as Christ being in believers, offering hope and glory to all who are in Christ.
  3. Romans 16:25-26:
    • “Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith...”
    • In Romans, Paul speaks of the mystery being revealed through the gospel, again emphasizing the inclusion of the Gentiles and the obedience that comes through faith in Jesus.
  4. 1 Timothy 3:16:
    • Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.”
    • This passage summarizes the mystery of godliness, which is the revelation of Jesus Christ — His sonship, death, resurrection, and exaltation.
1 Timothy 3:16 is the problematic verse especially in relation to Sin's Flesh - Being Vindicated by the Spirit (justified) - If Jesus was God how can God be justified by the Spirit :eek: and being raised up in Glory which speaks to Jesus inheriting a name, divine nature and passing into the Heavens to sit at the Fathers right hand.

The Trinitarian has no need whatsoever to claim mystery at all

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There's more than one mystery
 

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Are you wiser(more knowledgeable) then the Apostle John???
We can only assume that you're suggesting John wrote the complex Trinitarian formula, and it seems like you're making an argument based on special pleading in an attempt to support a point that ultimately doesn't hold.

Hope you gain some sense of self fullment from that excercise

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Genesis 3:22 reads:

"And the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—'" (ESV)

Do you think this is God & Jesus who experienced sin or more likely to be the angels?

Did I claim somewhere to be wiser than John? Maybe you can show me the post?

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Did I claim somewhere to be wiser than John? Maybe you can show me the post?

In every post of yours whereby you refute the words of the Apostle John, you are claiming to have superior knowledge and at the same time you are calling the Apostle John = ignorant and even worse, a liar!!!