How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[face2face]

Explain manifestation. Do you mean φανερόω? (the word usually translated as manifest) Or can you put your own definition on that word?

God manifestation is everywhere in the record

φανερόω, to make apparent, make manifest, make openly known.
Ethelbert W. Bullinger, in A critical Lexicon (London: Longmans, Green, & Co., 1908), 479.

Let me use a common OT example:



In what way can God (Yahweh) name Himself by these men? What was Yahweh's purpose?

God's primary focus is to reveal Himself through His Children - brings Him great Joy to see us adopt His Characteristics.

I'll let you digest this slide and then we can progress further

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[David in NJ]

Let's discuss "Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms." - @RedFan

Open discussion on the development of the Trinitarian doctrine.

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Are you and Rita in a competition of 'THREE- can it BE???'

 

[David in NJ]

Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Name is singular!

CORRECT

Where did this NAME come from originally???

 

[David in NJ]

God manifestation is everywhere in the record

φανερόω, to make apparent, make manifest, make openly known.
Ethelbert W. Bullinger, in A critical Lexicon (London: Longmans, Green, & Co., 1908), 479.

Let me use a common OT example:

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In what way can God (Yahweh) name Himself by these men? What was Yahweh's purpose?

God's primary focus is to reveal Himself through His Children - brings Him great Joy to see us adopt His Characteristics.

I'll let you digest this slide and then we can progress further

F2F

Oh how naive the carnal intellect of man

 

[David in NJ]

Jack, do you recognize this verse?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor IDOLATORS, nor adulterers, nor μαλακοὶ, nor ἀρσενοκοῖται, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

If you guess wrong, you're an idolator and you get a spot in the fire next to a guy named Bruce who's wearing a studded sleeveless leather vest and a nose ring. Choose wisely.

What is the purpose of the 'idolatry' scripture towards Jack?

 

[face2face]

Oh how naive the carnal intellect of man

Is that it David? - from your vast storehouse of wisdom you could only found this weak response? You disappoint every time you click that "Post Reply" button.

 

[face2face]

Oh how naive the carnal intellect of man

That's right you were the one who thought Jacob was the HS

 

[face2face]

@David in NJ at least you have learned something from our exchanges!

 

[David in NJ]

Is that it David? - from your vast storehouse of wisdom you could only found this weak response? You disappoint every time you click that "Post Reply" button.

Loved your response!

Have we met before???

Oh yes, the intellectual man who doesn't believe God at His word but nonetheless can tell everyone what the scriptures actually mean!

However, we are friends and you can give me your BEST shot!!!

Choose any scripture you like to disprove that the Word was NOT God from the Beginning.

 

[face2face]

Incarnation is a complicated topic on its own. There are (by my reckoning) 3 different ideas of Jesus' incarnation in the Bible. (A) The clearest seems to teach that God was incarnated at Jesus' birth. (B) Another shows that God came to fully inhabit Jesus at His baptism. (C) The final teaching of incarnation is that Jesus fully took hold of Godhood only upon his resurrection.

The verses you quoted suggest the latter.

All Scriptural verses that speak to Christ's Glorification and Exaltation state it happened upon his resurrection and ascension.

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[RLT63]

The first line:

Incarnation is a term used by theologians to indicate that Jesus, the Son of God, took on human flesh.

Not sure where this idea of "took on" came from. Scripture is super clear the HS caused conception in the womb and Jesus was born no different to any new born.

It's not surprising to see error from the outset.

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"Scripture is super clear the HS caused conception in the womb and Jesus was born no different to any new born."

I'm pretty sure most new borns don't have mothers who are virgins and your post contradicts scripture, specifically John 1:14
Jhn 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[face2face]

Oh yes, the intellectual man who doesn't believe God at His word but nonetheless can tell everyone what the scriptures actually mean!

If you turn on your brain and opened those moth filled ears you can learn the truth about the Godhead and His Plan with you.

Work to be done first though

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[David in NJ]

That's right you were the one who thought Jacob was the HS

NOPE never said that.

What i said is that the THREE men who GOD calls Himself by as HIS NAME whereby Jacob(the 3rd) represents the Holy Spirit.

 

[face2face]

"Scripture is super clear the HS caused conception in the womb and Jesus was born no different to any new born."

I'm pretty sure most new borns don't have mothers who are virgins and your post contradicts scripture, specifically John 1

True, though I was speaking to the actual conception and birthing process. The HS caused the conception and Mary gave birth to a baby boy.

You can't disagree with this.

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[RLT63]

True, though I was speaking to the actual conception and birthing process. The HS caused the conception and Mary gave birth to a baby boy.

You can't disagree with this.

F2F

You can't deny this;
Jhn 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten ofthe Father,) full of grace andtruth.

 

[face2face]

NOPE never said that.

What i said is that the THREE men who GOD calls Himself by as HIS NAME whereby Jacob(the 3rd) represents the Holy Spirit.

Correct you said Jacob represented the HS which is incorrect - you are yet to acknowledge your mistake - seems to be a problem in this forum.

 

[David in NJ]

Correct you said Jacob represented the HS which is incorrect - you are yet to acknowledge your mistake - seems to be a problem in this forum.

lol - What mistake???

 

[face2face]

You can't deny this;
Jhn 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten ofthe Father,) full of grace andtruth.

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Heb 5:8

A life of suffering produced a man who became the Word made Flesh - remarkable isn't it?

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[face2face]

lol - What mistake???

Your mistake

 

[RLT63]

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Heb 5:8

A life of suffering produced a man who became the Word made Flesh - remarkable isn't it?

F2F

No the Word was made flesh at his conception, you are just making things up now