God will destroy the covenant of Grace with all nations

[Galgal]

And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
(Zechariah 11:7-11)

Beauty - this is Grace. The time of Grace ends, the Judgment comes. God's Covenant with the nations is destroyed. There in verse 10 in Hebrew it says "nations", in the plural:

And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the nations.

The first two verses and the last two verses use the past tense, but they refer to the future. It is like a dream that a person tells to others: he speaks of the events in the dream as if they were past, but these visions refer to the future. This prophecy refers to the future.

3 shepherds will be destroyed within one lunar month. This cannot be a fulfilled prophecy, because from the Bible and from the history of Israel and the Church we do not know of any case where 3 famous shepherds died within one lunar month. Catholics have a prophecy according to which the current Pope is the last.

 

[Galgal]

Obviously, the first phase of the crisis will be the "mortal wound" of the head of the "beast", the USA. The second phase of the catastrophe will be the mass conversion of hundreds of millions of people to God, and this phase of Awakening will quickly be replaced by the phase of general seduction, the beginning of the general pursuit of Prosperity.

... and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)

 

[ScottA]

And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.
Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.
(Zechariah 11:7-11)

Beauty - this is Grace. The time of Grace ends, the Judgment comes. God's Covenant with the nations is destroyed. There in verse 10 in Hebrew it says "nations", in the plural:

And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the nations.

The first two verses and the last two verses use the past tense, but they refer to the future. It is like a dream that a person tells to others: he speaks of the events in the dream as if they were past, but these visions refer to the future. This prophecy refers to the future.

3 shepherds will be destroyed within one lunar month. This cannot be a fulfilled prophecy, because from the Bible and from the history of Israel and the Church we do not know of any case where 3 famous shepherds died within one lunar month. Catholics have a prophecy according to which the current Pope is the last.

These are the three "cut off":

"There are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood" (1 John 5:8).​

 

[Galgal]

These are the three "cut off":

"There are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood" (1 John 5:8).​

The prophecy specifies a period of 1 month. How can this period be fulfilled so that we can say that the prophecy has been fulfilled? Someone on earth will worship God in any case. Even with a mass apostasy, someone will adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ in their lives. There must be material signs of the fulfillment of this one lunar month. The month of Kislev has begun. Which "three shepherds" must be destroyed so that we can see the prophecy fulfilled?

 

[ScottA]

The prophecy specifies a period of 1 month. How can this period be fulfilled so that we can say that the prophecy has been fulfilled? Someone on earth will worship God in any case. Even with a mass apostasy, someone will adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ in their lives. There must be material signs of the fulfillment of this one lunar month. The month of Kislev has begun. Which "three shepherds" must be destroyed so that we can see the prophecy fulfilled?

The three were fulfilled (cut off) in Christ who took all upon Himself.

 

[Galgal]

The three were fulfilled (cut off) in Christ who took all upon Himself.

After the death of Jesus, the staff of the Age of Grace was given to the nations, where is the destruction of this staff?

It won't do. The prophecy says that after the three shepherds are removed, the sheep will be left unattended. For Christians, at least in the first centuries, the Holy Spirit played the role of a shepherd.

And also, at the end of the prophecy it is written about a stupid shepherd, apparently the Antichrist:

And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.
For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
(Zechariah 11:15-17)

There should be signs here: a withered right hand and a darkened right eye. Of course, one can try to explain spiritually that the "right hand" here symbolizes the ability to act in this world, and the "right eye" is the spirit turned to the material world. But so far the apostate religion, on the contrary, has succeeded in affairs in this world, and the worldly spirit has guided the actions of the clergy.

 

[ScottA]

The prophecy says that after the three shepherds are removed, the sheep will be left unattended. For Christians, at least in the first centuries, the Holy Spirit played the role of a shepherd.

After the Holy Spirit was given, He and the Son were both rejected, i.e. people were unattended (by choice)...and delivered unto delusion and apostacy.

 

[Galgal]

After the Holy Spirit was given, He and the Son were both rejected, i.e. unattended...and delivered unto delusion and apostacy.

And in what month do you think this happened?

 

[ScottA]

And in what month do you think this happened?

Pardon me, I should have specified that it was people who were "unattended" (by choice). I edited my comment above.

But the month is of no real concern. It was during the time of Christ.

 

[Galgal]

But the month is of no real concern. It was during the time of Christ.

The month is of fundamental importance, because if we do not explain why the duration of events is approximately equal to a lunar month (not a week, not a day, not a year), then we cannot declare the prophecy fulfilled.

Here is a similar unfulfilled event:

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. (Revelation 8:1)

If we consider that a day is equal to 12 hours, and a year is equal to a day (as in Ezekiel 4:6), then this will be approximately two weeks. The question is, why will there be silence in heaven? When this silence follows the world-shaking sixth seal, then, it would seem, there should be a great noise. But the saints will be silent until the first trumpet. And only after the first trumpet will a hail of fiery words, spoken from the heart, fall upon religion from heaven:

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. (Revelation 8:7)

Everything must be explained precisely; there are no empty words in Scripture.

 

[ScottA]

The month is of fundamental importance, because if we do not explain why the duration of events is approximately equal to a lunar month (not a week, not a day, not a year), then we cannot declare the prophecy fulfilled.

On the contrary, if "you observe days and months and seasons and years", you are on the wrong path.

Here is a similar unfulfilled event:

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. (Revelation 8:1)

If we consider that a day is equal to 12 hours, and a year is equal to a day (as in Ezekiel 4:6), then this will be approximately two weeks. The question is, why will there be silence in heaven? When this silence follows the world-shaking sixth seal, then, it would seem, there should be a great noise. But the saints will be silent until the first trumpet. And only after the first trumpet will a hail of fiery words, spoken from the heart, fall upon religion from heaven:

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. (Revelation 8:7)

Everything must be explained precisely; there are no empty words in Scripture.

Again, on the contrary... Yes, there is indeed meaning in all the words, but they all point back to a simpler, unconfused truth. "Look behind you, O Benjamin!"