Freed : From Calvinism and HyperCalvinism )Tulip<>5 Pont.

[Ritajanice]

Jesus said..

John 5:39, that Says "You REFUSE to come to me, that you might Have Eternal life'.

So they can't refuse if they dont understand...
THey can't refuse unless they KNOW what to refuse, having been led by the Holy Spirit to KNOW what to REFUSE.

Tell me how you could have refused God, how did you come to know him?

You said you put your faith in God, before you were Born Again, how do you know that it was God that you put your faith in, before you became Born Again?

So, you are so deep into this Cult Theology, that the words of Jesus have no authority.

That is what Calvinism does to you., always.

And you are the one in deep error...

You said you gave your faith to God, so I ask you again.

And still you evade my questions, how do you know that who you put your faith in before you were Born Again was God?

 

[Behold]

And you are the one in deep error...

John 5:39, that Says "You REFUSE to come to me, that you might Have Eternal life'.


A.) Your Calvinism is a LIE.. and it has ruined your faith.

I tried to help you for months.
And not just me.

You can't hear, because Calvinism became your spiritual eyes, inside you, and that is a "stronghold"..

That is Paul saying...>>"WHO... has BEWITCHED YOU">.

So, that is what a "doctrine of devils' does to you.
Its bewitches you.
It causes you to believe that LIES are truth.

Welcome to "CALVINISM".

 

[Ritajanice]

John 5:39, that Says "You REFUSE to come to me, that you might Have Eternal life'.


A.) Your Calvinism is a LIE.. and it has ruined your faith.

I tried to help you for months.
And not just me.

You can't hear, because Calvinism became your spiritual eyes, inside you, and that is a "stronghold"..

That is Paul saying...>>"WHO... has BEWITCHED YOU">.

So, that is what a "doctrine of devils' does to you.
Its bewitches you.
It causes you to believe that LIES are truth.

Welcome to "CALVINISM".

You said you put your faith in God, before you became Born Again..how would you know that it was God that you put your faith in.

Why don’t you answer the question?

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 22:37-40​

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King James Version​

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37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Please tell me how we would know how to do this?





38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



Let’s also teach/ preach, that we are Born Of The Spirit =By Gods Living Witness, His Living Holy Spirit.

Only he is the Spirit of truth...= The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children = A Living spirit birth = that comes by divine heart revelation.

you seem so quickly to have forgotten what i wrote just YESTERDAY
Proving i already DO teach that sister . For some reason you see a man write WE need to be reading the bible
and all of a sudden your mind goes blank to the many times he has spoken of
HIS grace sent SPIRIT BORN AGAIN CONVERSION . you quickly forget how often i have mentioned this .
Rather odd though , is why some seem to come after a man for simply reminding people of the dire need to be reading the bible .
WHEN the Scriptures were INSPIRED BY GOD and not men .

 

[GodsGrace]

And you are the one in deep error...

You said you gave your faith to God, so I ask you again.

And still you evade my questions, how do you know that who you put your faith in before you were Born Again was God?

RJ,,,,I've always said that you post scripture that has nothing to do with what the discussion is about.

But, in some cases, such as right now, you actually post scripture that goes AGAINST what you're claiming.

YOU posted a verse where JESUS stated that some REFUSED to come to Him.

This means that it is possible to REFUSE TO GO TO GOD.
If I could refuse something...it means I have the free will to refuse it.

IF we had no free will, as YOU believe....then it would be impossible to refuse or accept something -whatever it is.

Now....YOU posted a verse that has JESUS stating that some persons REFUSED to go to Him.

So,,,,,was Jesus wrong?
Did Jesus not know what He was saying?
Did He not mean what He was saying?

Isn't Jesus the same God that created man with free will?
Did Jesus, when He made this statement that YOU posted,,,,not know that man has free will?

Here's what Calvinists, such as yourself do:
They TWIST the very words of JESUS.....

 

[Marvelloustime]

you seem so quickly to have forgotten what i wrote just YESTERDAY
Proving i already DO teach that sister . For some reason you see a man write WE need to be reading the bible
and all of a sudden your mind goes blank to the many times he has spoken of
HIS grace sent SPIRIT BORN AGAIN CONVERSION . you quickly forget how often i have mentioned this .
Rather odd though , is why some seem to come after a man for simply reminding people of the dire need to be reading the bible .
WHEN the Scriptures were INSPIRED BY GOD and not men .

@amigo de christo
@Ritajanice

 

[Behold]

You said you put your faith in God, before you became Born Again.

Notice this...

John 14:6..

"Jesus is THE Truth"......

Now... look.

"come to the Knowledge of THE Truth"...

See that?
THat is THe Holy Spirit causing the hearer to understand that Jesus is The Truth.. That He is the Savior, that He is REAL, that Christianity is TRUE.... all of this....becomes REVEALED in the heart of a person who is being dealt with by the Holy Spirit.

But that is not the person being caused to believe it......Its the person getting the REVELATiON, = "coming to the knowledge of THE TRUTH...... and then.....

Jesus said.....""you can REFUSE IT":>...........or you can put your FAITH in Christ., and God will take it from there.

 

[Ritajanice]

Notice this...

John 14:6..

"Jesus is THE Truth"......

Now... look.

"come to the Knowledge of THE Truth"...

See that?
THat is THe Holy Spirit causing the hearer to understand that Jesus is The Truth.. That He is the Savior, that He is REAL, that Christianity is TRUE.... all of this....become REVEALED in the heart of a person who is being dealt with by the Holy Spirit.

But that is not the person being caused to believe it......Its the person getting the REVELATiON, and then.....

"you can REFUSE IT">...........or you can put your FAITH in Christ.

How do you know that you put your faith in God, before you were Born Again?

 

[GodsGrace]

you seem so quickly to have forgotten what i wrote just YESTERDAY
Proving i already DO teach that sister . For some reason you see a man write WE need to be reading the bible
and all of a sudden your mind goes blank to the many times he has spoken of
HIS grace sent SPIRIT BORN AGAIN CONVERSION . you quickly forget how often i have mentioned this .
Rather odd though , is why some seem to come after a man for simply reminding people of the dire need to be reading the bible .
WHEN the Scriptures were INSPIRED BY GOD and not men .

The above is not for me Amigo.
But I woke up this morning with about 5 posts from you.
Telling me what?
Stuff I already know.
Things I agree about.

So why do you post to ME?
Why not take your time to post to those on this very thread (and on this entire Forum)
that twist the words of God and His word....they twist the words of scripture to align with what they have learned
from MAN....instead of what we should learn from GOD.

I try to be very clear about what I believe....
why are others not so clear?
Why beat around the bush?
Why twist what the NT clearly teaches?

I think we should devote our time to CHALLENGE what these persons believe-
which is not biblical and which doctrines are not taught of by God Himself in the person of Jesus....
or Paul for that matter or any of the writers of the NT And even those the Apostles DIRECTLY TAUGHT.
NO ONE in the early church believed in predestination of those that would be saved and those that would be lost.and any other doctrine that John Calvin taught.

The gospel....THE GOOD NEWS....is for EVERYONE that wishes to be with God for eternity.

Let's concentrate on this.....

 

[Ritajanice]

RJ,,,,I've always said that you post scripture that has nothing to do with what the discussion is about.

But, in some cases, such as right now, you actually post scripture that goes AGAINST what you're claiming.

YOU posted a verse where JESUS stated that some REFUSED to come to Him.

This means that it is possible to REFUSE TO GO TO GOD.
If I could refuse something...it means I have the free will to refuse it.

IF we had no free will, as YOU believe....then it would be impossible to refuse or accept something -whatever it is.

Now....YOU posted a verse that has JESUS stating that some persons REFUSED to go to Him.

So,,,,,was Jesus wrong?
Did Jesus not know what He was saying?
Did He not mean what He was saying?

Isn't Jesus the same God that created man with free will?
Did Jesus, when He made this statement that YOU posted,,,,not know that man has free will?

Here's what Calvinists, such as yourself do:
They TWIST the very words of JESUS.....


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How do you know that you are Born Again?

Everything that I post is topic related.

How did you give God your faith, before you became Born Again...how did your freewill know God?

 

[amigo de christo]

The above is not for me Amigo.
But I woke up this morning with about 5 posts from you.
Telling me what?
Stuff I already know.
Things I agree about.

So why do you post to ME?
Why not take your time to post to those on this very thread (and on this entire Forum)
that twist the words of God and His word....they twist the words of scripture to align with what they have learned
from MAN....instead of what we should learn from GOD.

I try to be very clear about what I believe....
why are others not so clear?
Why beat around the bush?
Why twist what the NT clearly teaches?

I think we should devote our time to CHALLENGE what these persons believe-
which is not biblical and which doctrines are not taught of by God Himself in the person of Jesus....
or Paul for that matter or any of the writers of the NT And even those the Apostles DIRECTLY TAUGHT.
NO ONE in the early church believed in predestination of those that would be saved and those that would be lost.and any other doctrine that John Calvin taught.

The gospel....THE GOOD NEWS....is for EVERYONE that wishes to be with God for eternity.

Let's concentrate on this.....

no that post was for rita not you . i clicked on her post but somehow it guess i was yours it ended up on .
So frusrating that can be my freind . I suppose the enemy will not rest till he has anyone and everyone
coming into interfaith . well anyone and everyone , CEPT the lambs friend .

 

[Behold]

How do you know that you put your faith in God, before you were Born Again?

By....Being born again, after i gave God my faith in Christ, is the proof that my "faith was counted by God".., as "justification by faith".

 

[amigo de christo]

How do you know that you are Born Again?

Everything that I post is topic related.

How did you give God your faith, before you became Born Again...how did your freewill know God?

You mind is going through a rolller coaster sister .
But i notice that same mind wont answer the simple question i left .
Many people beleive they hear and are hearing from the SPIRIT
and yet they on the broad path sister .
I already told ya THE FATHER draws us to JESUS THE CHRIST and ONLY THE SON can reveal the FATHER unto us .
SO now answer my questoin .
WHAT is so wrong with a man reminding all beleivers to be in those bibles to be learning .
Lets answer that questoin shall we .

 

[Ritajanice]

By....Being born again, after i gave God my faith in Christ, is the proof that my "faith was counted by God".., as "justification by faith".

That is not biblical..how do you know it was God that you gave your faith to?

You cannot know God , not until he gifts us supernatural faith..you are in error.

No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit...you are the one who has grossly been deceived..

 

[Behold]

That is not biblical..how do you know it was God that you gave your faith to?

Its because the Holy Spirit only leads you to trust in Christ.

So, an unbeliever who is being led to Trust in Christ by the Holy Spirit, does not understand or even know any of this Theology Talk that we are sharing.
They dont know anything about "faith is counted" or "justification by faith".

They were just enjoying their sin, 5 mins before they heard about Jesus and the HS caused them to understand ... = "come to the knowledge of the Truth".

And now they SEE IT, inside........

Jesus says that from this place, you can "REFUSE" to take a step of Faith., or you can place your faith in Christ.
You can believe or not.....now that you KNOW what is True.

And God knows before we are born, if we will TRUST or if we will REFUSE to Trust..........but He does not cause us to refuse, and He does not cause us to believe.
He only knows our CHOICE before we are born.

 

[Marvelloustime]

You mind is going through a rolller coaster sister .
But i notice that same mind wont answer the simple question i left .
Many people beleive they hear and are hearing from the SPIRIT
and yet they on the broad path sister .
I already told ya THE FATHER draws us to JESUS THE CHRIST and ONLY THE SON can reveal the FATHER unto us .
SO now answer my questoin .
WHAT is so wrong with a man reminding all beleivers to be in those bibles to be learning .
Lets answer that questoin shall we .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

That is not biblical..how do you know it was God that you gave your faith to?

You cannot know God , not until he gifts us supernatural faith..you are in error.

No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit...you are the one who has grossly been deceived..

that is the point . the FATHER draws us to WHO . TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
i long ago told you the event of my born again conversion .
I have told you more than once .
IT was NOT ME that led me sister . IT was not the flesh that put them desires into my heart to GO after the LORD .
IT WAS GOD , it was the SPIRIT that did that . i told you this serveral times .
But all of a sudden just cause i remind the people to be reading their bibles
amnesia sets in and i become known as the blasphmer of GOD and lover of a book .
WHICH i might add , WHY WOULD we not LOVE THE TRUTH IN the bible , WHEN IT IS TRUTH GOD INSPIRED .
Something has went wrong sister . I told you why MEN did this .
These wolves in wool under influence of satan KNOW if lambs open them bibiles and learn for themselves
That they wont be sitting under and tithing money to these wolves .
IT was for power and control rita . THAT IS WHY they did this . THEY turned the church
against those who use the bible to prove them wrong and
have convinced the people that these who do so do NOT LOVE GOD
what a joke sister , i mean if that were funny .
THESE wolves know sister . that a well read saint Will expose them by the biblical doctrine
and they know if their own began really reading it for themselves , THEY GETTING OUT from under them wolves .

 

[Ritajanice]

Its because the Holy Spirit only leads you to trust in Christ.

So, an unbeliever who is being led to Trust in Christ by the Holy Spirit, does not understand or even know any of this Theology Talk that we are sharing.
They dont know anything about "faith is counted" or "justification by faith".

They were just enjoying their sin, 5 mins before they heard about Jesus and the HS caused them to understand ... = "come to the knowledge of the Truth".

And now they SEE IT, inside........

Jesus says that from this place, you can "REFUSE" to take a step of Faith., or you can place your faith in Christ.
You can believe or not.....now that you KNOW what is True.

And God knows before we are born, if we will TRUST or if we will REFUSE to Trust..........but He does not cause us to refuse, and He does not cause us to believe.
He only knows our CHOICE before we are born.

Sorry, you talk nonsense, plus you have nothing what you say, to back it up with scripture, you have been deceived I’m afraid.

I rebuke your teaching in Jesus Name!

 

[Marvelloustime]

that is the point . the FATHER draws us to WHO . TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
i long ago told you the event of my born again conversion .
I have told you more than once .
IT was NOT ME that led me sister . IT was not the flesh that put them desires into my heart to GO after the LORD .
IT WAS GOD , it was the SPIRIT that did that . i told you this serveral times .
But all of a sudden just cause i remind the people to be reading their bibles
amnesia sets in and i become known as the blasphmer of GOD and lover of a book .
WHICH i might add , WHY WOULD we not LOVE THE TRUTH IN the bible , WHEN IT IS TRUTH GOD INSPIRED .
Something has went wrong sister . I told you why MEN did this .
These wolves in wool under influence of satan KNOW if lambs open them bibiles and learn for themselves
That they wont be sitting under and tithing money to these wolves .
IT was for power and control rita . THAT IS WHY they did this . THEY turned the church
against those who use the bible to prove them wrong and
have convinced the people that these who do so do NOT LOVE GOD
what a joke sister , i mean if that were funny .
THESE wolves know sister . that a well read saint Will expose them by the biblical doctrine
and they know if their own began really reading it for themselves , THEY GETTING OUT from under them wolves .

@amigo de christo
@Ritajanice

 

[Behold]

Sorry, you talk nonsense, plus you have nothing what you say, to back it up with scripture, you have been deceived I’m afraid.

As Jesus said... You can "Refuse to come to Him".

So, unless you knew to come to Him, FIRST, you could not "refuse"..

See, this person is REFUSING what they KNOW . and that is a Christ REJECTOR.. as you can't Reject Him, unless you already KNOW the Truth.