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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Sorry, only God via His witness The Holy Spirit can reveal that to your heart/ spirit.
Taken the Spirit 33yrs to get me where I am today, I don’t seek God out by reading a Bible, of course you need a Bible to check if what you hear the Spirit testify to your spirit is from God..
I have always sought to know more of God after I became Born Again from within my heart as that is where the Holy Spirit indwells.....just as His word says. my testimony/ belief.
Jeremiah 29:13
King James Version
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
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Donald Barnhouse issues a solemn warning that all in the Body of Christ, preachers and parishioners, should hear and heed…
WE received the Holy Spirit of God when we were made alive in Christ. One of the first effects of this stupendous and miraculous work is that we know that we have become children of God. We have not received the spirit of bondage that we might relapse into fear, but we have received the Spirit of God in our public manifestation as sons. We immediately are the objects of a spiritual experience. We cry “Abba, Father,” the Holy Spirit Himself testifying along with our human spirit that we are the children of God.
Several things about this experience must be examined closely. First, it must be understood that no spiritual experience is valid in itself. Every experience can be counterfeited, and therefore, no experience is valid that is not solidly based in correct theology.
It is disastrous to build one’s theology upon some experience; it is always necessary to explain our experience by the Word of God.
In the course of the past centuries of church history abundant evidence has been accumulated to show that it is possible to mistake the voice of Satan for the voice of God, and that it is even more possible to mistake the voice of self for the voice of God.
That is why we must always be willing to turn to the Word of God, why we must repudiate any voice that speaks contrary to the Word of God, and avoid any experience that is an end in itself.
We want no “inner light” experience, “divine voice” experience, we want no ecstatic mysticism that feels rather than thinks.
The certain fact of our reception as sons of God must be based objectively on the written Word of God, and then, subjectively, on the fact of the Holy Spirit’s joint witness with our spirit…
The Holy Spirit does not bear witness to our spirits that we are children of God, but He bears witness with our spirits. The assurance of our salvation does not depend entirely upon the external testimony of the Holy Spirit, but there is an inward conviction which belongs to us, ourselves. We know that we have passed from death unto life; we have the inner conviction that we have become children of God. We find something within ourselves that turns outward and upward to God, so that we find ourselves crying, “Abba, Father.” The Holy Spirit’s testimony joins this testimony of our own inner being, confirms it, so that at the mouth of the two witnesses this thing is established. (God’s Heirs: Romans 8:1–39)
Sorry, I don't agree with you.
Thanks.
J.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No problem that you don’t agree.
Plus you have not shown me my error @Johann ...as usual you post commentaries...I’ve never seen you once, testifying that God is a Living Spirit!
If you have , then in your own words please tell me how would you know this?
I stand by every word that was written I’m not led by authors to understand the word of God.
I 100% rely solely on the Living Holy Spirit, to testify to my spirit Gods truth..
God Bless and enjoy the rest of your day.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Oh right, show me in Gods word where his word says.
I am a Born Again Christian?
Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
How many spirits do you have in you?
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.Romans 8
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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Didn't see this late edit-and I am very selective in using secondary sources.
Nor would we pass by the harmony which subsists between the Bible and the experience of the sanctified heart, by which the Spirit witnesses that we are born of God. Whatever may be the mode of his testimony, it never contradicts the word of truth, but always is in perfect agreement with, and fully sustains it. [The Bible, if you will]
As it is by the truth he quickens, and through the truth he sanctifies, so with the truth he witnesses. If our sentiments, and feelings, and actions are invariably and unequivocally opposed to God's revealed word, we may boast as we will of our divine relationship, we yet are self-deceived, and are "illegitimate children and not true sons." Is there in our lives a correspondence of Christian experience and revealed truth?
"I could not, without making my own doctrine outstrip my own experience, vouch for any other intimation of the Spirit of God, than that which he gives in the act of making the word of God clear unto you, and the state of your own heart clear unto you. From the one you draw what are its promises- from the other what are your own personal characteristics; and the application of the first to the second may conduct to a most legitimate argument, that you personally are one of the saved- and that not in tardy or elaborate argument either, but with an evidence quick and powerful as the light of intuition. By a single deposition of conscience, for example, I may know that I do indeed hunger and thirst after righteousness; and by a single glance with the eye of my understanding, I may recognize a Savior's truth, and a Savior's tenderness in the promise that all who do so shall be filled; and without the intervention of any lengthened process of reasoning, I may confidently give to the general announcement in the gospel such a specific application to myself, as to convey my own distinct and assured hope of a particular interest therein.
Thus there is no whisper of the Spirit distinct from the testimony of the word. Thus there is no irradiation, but that whereby the mind is enabled to look reflexly and with rational discernment upon itself. And hence there is no conclusion, but what comes immediately and irresistibly out of promises which are clear to me, while they lie hidden in deepest obscurity from other men: and all this you will observe with the rapidity of thought by a flight of steps so few, as to be got over in an instant of time- by a train of considerations strictly logical, while the mind that enjoys and is impressed with all this light is not sensible of any logic- and yet withal by the Spirit of God, for it is he who has brought the word near, and given it weight and significancy to my understanding, and it is he who has manifested to me the thoughts and intents of my own heart, and evinced some personal characteristic within that is coincident with the promise without, and it is he who sustains me in the work of making a firm and confident application.
In all this he utters no voice. The word of God made plain to my convictions, and his own work upon me made plain to my conscience- these are the vocables, and I do imagine the only vocables, by which he expresses himself; but enough to furnish any Christian with a reason of the hope that is in him, and better than articulation itself to solace and to satisfy the inquiring spirit of its relationship to the family of God." (Chalmers).
Nor is the comfort which the Spirit imparts the least evidence of our adoption. As our chastenings are marks of our sonship, equally so are our consolations. The kindly view the Spirit gives of our Father's dispensations- the meek submission of the will- the cordial acquiescence of the heart- and the entire surrender of the soul to God, which he creates, supplies us with indisputable ground for drawing a conclusion favorable to the reality of our being the children of God. There is a depth of sympathy and a degree of tenderness in God's comforts, which could only flow from the heart of a Father- that Father, God himself. "As a father pities his children, so the Lord pities those who fear him." Sweet to know that the correction and the consolation, the wounding and the healing, flow from the same heart- come from the same hand, and each bear a message of love, and a token of sonship. Is the God of all comfort sustaining, soothing, and quieting your oppressed, chafed, and sorrowful heart? Oh, it is the Spirit's witness to your adoption.
Bending to your grief, and associating himself with every circumstance of your sorrow, he seeks to seal on your softened heart the deeper, clearer impress of your filial interest in God's love. And oh, if this overwhelming bereavement- if this crushing stroke- if the bitterness and gloom of this hour be the occasion of the Spirit's gentle, gracious lifting you from the region of doubt and distress, as to your sonship, into the serene sunlight of your Father's love, so that you shall question, and doubt, and deny no more your acceptance in the Beloved, and your adoption into his family, will you not kiss the rod, and love the hand, and bless the heart that has smitten? One word in conclusion. Forget not that the inward seal of adoption is testified by the outward seal of sanctification, and that if the Spirit of Christ is in your heart, the fruits of the Spirit will be exhibited in your life. Then, thus meek, and gentle, and lowly, like the Savior; separated from the world, that you live not and joy not, as the world does- in the secret chamber of your soul you shall often hear the voice of God, saying, "I will be a Father unto you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty." (The Spirit Testifying to the Believer's Adoption in the book entitled NO CONDEMNATION IN CHRIST JESUS by Octavius Winslow)
Enjoy your day.
J.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Nothing there that shows my error.just another commentary.
My testimony is in harmony with Gods Living witness that testifies Gods truth to my heart, plus it’s in harmony with the written word.
John 3
King James Version
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
I don’t need to study the scriptures nor post commentaries to know that I am Born Of The Spirit.
You should know that in your heart/ spirit = The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, as I pointed out to you.
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
That is not how Gods word says that we are Born Of The Spirit.
Therefore I rebuke your words, as they have no standing in Gods word.
Do not add your own words to the written word!
"they are spiritually appraised" This is a legal term that speaks of
the preliminary exhaustive examination before a trial (cf. Luke 23:14; Acts 12:19; 24:8; 25:26; 28:18)
the act of examining something carefully (i.e., the Scriptures, cf. Acts 17:11; food, cf. 1 Cor. 10:25,27)
This same word occurs twice more in 1 Cor. 2:15.
Believers endued with the Spirit are able to judge appropriately the things in both the physical and spiritual realms (cf. 1 Cor. 1:22-25 and 2:2, also note 14:29 and 1 Thess. 5:20-21). However, the unspiritual of 1 Cor. 2:14 cannot properly discern spiritual things, spiritual truths, or spiritual people.
2:15 "yet he himself is appraised by no one" This, of course, is the generic MASCULINE form. Believers cannot be judged, yea even truly understood, by unbelievers (cf. 1 Cor. 4:3-4). This may be a reference to some of Paul's enemies at Corinth (cf. 1 Cor. 9:3). It is the indwelling Spirit who brings light through the gospel to reality, not this age's physical reality, but God's reality!
2:16 This is an allusion to Isa. 40:13 in the Septuagint. In Isa. 40:3 the term "Lord" is the Divine name YHWH, but here Paul uses the quote to refer to Jesus (also note Rom. 10:13 and Phil. 2:10-11).
This continues the contextual emphasis on the need of the Spirit for humans to "hear" the gospel and to understand spiritual truth (cf. John 6:44,65). This context and John 14-16 are crucial in understanding the work of the Spirit of God.
Without the Spirit fallen humanity engages in speculations, myths, even demonically inspired false truths! Oh, the tragedy of world religions and human philosophy.
"But we have the mind of Christ" The PRONOUN "we" is emphatic! This could refer to
Paul and his companions
Christian preachers
mature Christians
This does not mean believers know everything Christ knows, but that the Spirit has opened our minds to His perspective, His priorities, His heart (cf. Rom. 12:2; Phil 2:5).
Κύριον δὲ τὸν Θεὸν ἁγιάσατε ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν· ἕτοιμοι δὲ ἀεὶ πρὸς ἀπολογίαν παντὶ τῷ αἰτοῦντι ὑμᾶς λόγον περὶ τῆς ἐν ὑμῖν ἐλπίδος, μετὰ πραΰτητος καὶ φόβου·"
("But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.")
J.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Your commentary is not biblical...you have not challenged me by your own words/ testimony.
Use scripture to challenge what I post....not reams and reams of someone else’s commentaries...
Let me hear the real @Johann speak for once...you must have a Living testimony surely?
That must line up with the written word, otherwise if it doesn’t ,there is no truth in it.
You have posted a commentary...challenge me using your own words , stop hiding behind someone else’s commentaries?
And I ask you again..in your own words...how do you know God, is who he says he is?
How do you know that Jesus hung on a cross , died and was resurrected?
By whose witness?
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You posted John 5:39, that Says "You REFUSE to come to me, that you might Have Eternal life'.
So, you posted a verse that contradicts John Calvinism, and everything you believe about being born again.
Look at your verse...
Jesus is saying that YOU CAN REFUSE to come to Jesus..
So, that is a person who has been lead by the HOLY SPIRIT, to BELIEVE, and they are REFUSING to do it...
"REFUSE to come to me"....
Calvinism is the Devil's lie and you should not believe it, and you should not try to SELL His LIES to Christians.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You tell me how we can refuse to come to him, when we were chosen by God, to be Born Again?
And you tell me how you knew Jesus by your own faith...before you became Born Again?
Searching the scriptures will not bring your spirit Alive in Christ, true or false?
How did you put or give God your faith, before you were Born Again @Behold ..explain how?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
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Therefore, when you have your own knowledge of spiritual matters, that the Spirit should testify to your spirit.provided that you are Born Again.....then get back to me....as I see no living testimony of who God is coming out of your mouth @Johann ...only from authors and other people’s commentaries. Good day.
We come to understand as we follow. This is the work of the Spirit. This person of God, the Holy Spirit, will “teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you” (John 14:26).
i posted plenty of posts..for you to challenge..only you posted other people’s / authors work, commentaries to challenge them with.
Therefore, when you have your own knowledge of spiritual matters, that the Spirit should testify to your spirit.provided that you are Born Again.....then get back to me....as I see no living testimony of who God is coming out of your mouth @Johann ...only from authors and other people’s commentaries. Good day.
We come to understand as we follow. This is the work of the Spirit. This person of God, the Holy Spirit, will “teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you” (John 14:26).
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Argue with Jesus...
You just read where Jesus said you can "refuse" to come to Him.
So, CALVIN denies this, and because His theology owns your mind, and Ronalds mind and Brightframes mind...and other's here on this ?Forum....,, ALL of you of course are "confused" about what Jesus said.
Welcome To Calvinism.
Its Denies Jesus, it denies the Cross, its a lie from Hell and it has you believing it and SELLING IT, as that is what Its designed to do to its deceived people.
"well behold.. Jesus didnt really mean it, as if that is true, then everything i am believing that Calvin taught me is a LIE FROM HELL">
A.) Right.
But that's not going to stop you, because once this demonic theology has your MIND, then it owns YOU.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No one can refuse to be Born Of The Spirit, just as His word says, so don’t tell me I teach a lie.
As do you try and deceive me, not in a million years will you deceive me.
Everything I believe comes from the Living Spirit, who testifies Of God’s truth to my heart/ spirit.
And still you evade my questions, how do you know that who you put your faith in before you were Born Again was God?
Jesus said..
John 5:39, that Says "You REFUSE to come to me, that you might Have Eternal life'.
So they can't refuse if they dont understand...
THey can't refuse unless they KNOW what to refuse, having been led by the Holy Spirit to KNOW what to REFUSE.
So, you are so deep into this Cult Theology, that the words of Jesus have no authority.
That is what Calvinism does to you., always.
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