Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

[Skovand]

Here is how its used in the KJV /NT only and the number of times

Hell G86 = hades KJV
hell 10, grave 1

Hell G1067 = geenna KJV
hell 9

I do get the words can mean either one or the other and we can look at those as each is used in any specific verse, but this one right here (from the above)

When Jesus says,

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; (gehenna) G1067 yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

My question is how would you understand Jesus use of it here, since he references "after he hath killed" there. You do not believe Jesus is speaking of an actual city there (which after one is killed) can be cast into it do you?

After this comment I’m going to be to Judy to respond for a while. The links I shared dives into this subject in depth.

What I am saying is that it’s only outdated masoretic texts that confuse hades and hell and merges hades with hell, a few times. That’s considered bad hermunetics among biblical scholars.
Hades means the grave.
Gehenna means hell.
Gehenna never means the grave.
Gehenna did not ever get confused for the grave until a few centuries ago.

The lake of fire is hell. It says death and the grave ( hades ) gets cast into the lake of fire which is the second death, which is what is used to describe hell.

Revelation is not written to be read literally. It’s written to be understood through symbolism.

As for the rest, another day I can add a few comments. But the best bet is the links. Or eventually I’ll do a thread on the three different views of hell. Starting with the two oldest views, that of conditional immortality and universalism followed by the newest develop, that of eternal conscious torment due to biblical literalism and modern readings of revelation. A book canonized shortly before 400ad.

 

[Verily]

After this comment I’m going to be to Judy to respond for a while. The links I shared dives into this subject in depth.

What I am saying is that it’s only outdated masoretic texts that confuse hades and hell and merges hades with hell, a few times. That’s considered bad hermunetics among biblical scholars.
Hades means the grave.
Gehenna means hell.
Gehenna never means the grave.
Gehenna did not ever get confused for the grave until a few centuries ago.

The lake of fire is hell. It says death and the grave ( hades ) gets cast into the lake of fire which is the second death, which is what is used to describe hell.

Revelation is not written to be read literally. It’s written to be understood through symbolism.

As for the rest, another day I can add a few comments. But the best bet is the links. Or eventually I’ll do a thread on the three different views of hell. Starting with the two oldest views, that of conditional immortality and universalism followed by the newest develop, that of eternal conscious torment due to biblical literalism and modern readings of revelation. A book canonized shortly before 400ad.

No problem skovand I just thought I would ask you why I had you here, I did not mean to put you on the spot there.

 

[Skovand]

No problem skovand I just thought I would ask you why I had you here, I did not mean to put you on the spot there.

No problem. I enjoy discussing things. Some conversations I’ve had so many times it’s almost bleh to get back into them and some I enjoy a lot depending on that day. But I always try to let people know when I’m bouncing from a convo so they continue with their day. It’s mostly because I usually sleep between 630pm-830pm because I wake up at 2am. My work starts at 5am usually, sometimes 3am and goes until 130pm or sometimes 330pm. I tend to go to gym 230-330am. Usually hike for an hour or so in the afternoon noon. Usually around 230-4pm.
I live alone and so takes a bit to clean cook and organize everything. Plus I try to just stick on social media a little bit a day.

 

[Verily]

No problem. I enjoy discussing things. Some conversations I’ve had so many times it’s almost bleh to get back into them and some I enjoy a lot depending on that day. But I always try to let people know when I’m bouncing from a convo so they continue with their day. It’s mostly because I usually sleep between 630pm-830pm because I wake up at 2am. My work starts at 5am usually, sometimes 3am and goes until 130pm or sometimes 330pm. I tend to go to gym 230-330am. Usually hike for an hour or so in the afternoon noon. Usually around 230-4pm.
I live alone and so takes a bit to clean cook and organize everything. Plus I try to just stick on social media a little bit a day.

Thanks, no worries, I don't typically like long back and forths myself so no need dread touching base gain whenever you do.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

If you don't have to, why bother? - You don't have to go to church. - Or do you? - You don't have to pray. - Or do you? - You don't have to worship God. - Or do you? - You don't have to read your Bible. - Or do you? - You don't have to support the church. - Or do you? - You don't have to help...

www.christianityboard.com

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[Verily]

New topic:

Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

If you don't have to, why bother? - You don't have to go to church. - Or do you? - You don't have to pray. - Or do you? - You don't have to worship God. - Or do you? - You don't have to read your Bible. - Or do you? - You don't have to support the church. - Or do you? - You don't have to help...

www.christianityboard.com

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St SteVen, I have been itching to ask you, what is the purpose for this------> ]

Just curious

 

[St. SteVen]

St SteVen, I have been itching to ask you, what is the purpose for this------> ]

Just curious

Ask @BarneyFife


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[BarneyFife]

Ask @BarneyFife

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I'll never tell.

:)

 

[St. SteVen]

St SteVen, I have been itching to ask you, what is the purpose for this------> ]

Just curious

Sorry.
I wanted to have a bit of fun by inviting BF to react predictably.
I think I started doing it because he was doing it.
It makes a little extra space at the bottom my post to give my signature line some breathing room.

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[Verily]

You two are nuts, thanks for the heads up (and that anti itch cream) LOL!
Too funny!

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[St. SteVen]

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I use a left bracket. It's more open-ended. - LOL

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[Verily]

I use a left bracket. It's more open-ended. - LOL

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Gees, the details I miss on such important matters!

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[Gottservant]

I don't see either one hate being any different from the other - Christ is synonymous with Church.

Isn't the whole point that two people in a marriage share the same hurt?

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't see either one hate being any different from the other - Christ is synonymous with Church.

Isn't the whole point that two people in a marriage share the same hurt?

I agree that Christ is synonymous with his bride. (two become one)
But I am referring to the institutional church. The human organization that misrepresents the Body of Christ.

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[Gottservant]

I agree that Christ is synonymous with his bride. (two become one)
But I am referring to the institutional church. The human organization that misrepresents the Body of Christ.

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If they continue to be false, hand them over to the Devil?

The same can be said of anyone (even Jesus? I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm just pointing out that Jesus Himself said "I am not going to destroy the Law")

 

[BarneyFife]

I use a left bracket. It's more open-ended. - LOL

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Now, see, that's not congruent with my recollection at all.

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[Lambano]

Hell is a translation of Gehenna. If you go to where Hell is mentioned, look at the original language it’s Gehenna. An actual city.

Not a city. A valley outside of Jerusalem that was used as garbage pit, if you want symbolism.

(Barclay always has some interesting factoids.)

Here's what it looks like today:

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus Himself said "I am not going to destroy the Law"

That's a VERY infamous misquote.

Did Jesus say that he did not come to "abolish the law"? - Nope.

Say what? How can I say, "Nope."? Because it is a COMMON misquote. What did Jesus actually say? The misquote above stops short of the full statement, which completely changes the meaning. It wasn't "the law" that Jesus did not come to abolish. It was "the Law or the Prophets". So, the books...

www.christianityboard.com

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[St. SteVen]

Now, see, that's not congruent with my recollection at all.

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I barely know the difference between punctual and punctuate.

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[Lambano]

I use a left bracket. It's more open-ended. - LOL

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The compiler flags an open-bracket without a close-bracket as a syntax error. You need @Verily's right bracket to make the whole program work. The whole world could fly off its axis otherwise.

(Geek humor.)