Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

[Skovand]

God does not send Lesbians to Hell for being Gay.

So, your theology, is actually worse than theirs because they are not pretending to know anything about Salvation.
You are pretending to know something about it, and in the end, all you'll do is lead these 2 farther from the Light, same as you.
They were not fortunate in meeting you, if the "church" you are taking them to, produced your rancid theology.

Now, Here is the thing about Hell.
Its the eternity that a Christ Rejector chooses.....for themselves, when they could have chosen Heaven, by simply giving their Faith in Christ To God, so that God could forgive their sin, and give them His "Gift of Salvation".

Blah blah blah blah blah I’ve already long moved past the stupidity and contradictions of eternal conscious torment. I’ve already been where you were, then I studied the Bible, and learned far better approaches to theology. It’s easy to think you know it all, when all you know is what your hear bouncing around inside your hateful echo chamber. When you want to take your faith serious, pick up some books that dive deeply into what you think you know. For beginners, and that’s what you are, I suggest “ The Fire that Consumes” by Edward Fudge. Read books with different opinions than your own, and make a wiser data backed choice.

They are actually very fortunate to meet someone like instead of something like you. You’re just an anti science, anti history, and anti biblical bigot who hides behind weaponizing your faith. You are so lost in your westernized hatred that you can’t even understand how little you actually know. You should be praising god that there is not a hell for you to end up in…. By choosing a lifetime of hate.

 

[Skovand]

Also guess what….. we ( them and myself ) in Pensacola right off 98 onto Bauer Rd. So it’s especially thank God they ran into me and not someone like you.

Feel free to respond. I’m going to ignore you again.

 

[Behold]

Blah blah blah blah blah I’ve already long moved past the stupidity and contradictions of eternal conscious torment.

Generally speaking, a Theology that denies Hell, is trying to Air Condition it, before it moves in.

 

[Behold]

I’ve already been where you were, then I studied the Bible, and learned far better approaches to theology.

You seem to be trying to become a legend in your own mind, according to your posts.
Good luck with that...

Also, you dont know "where ive been" but you can pretend if that is what you need.

Help yourself.

When you want to take your faith serious, pick up some books

The only Book that proves "faith is taken seriously" is the one you never learned, and never will.

= The Holy Bible.

Enjoy your books, as they produced you..... obviously.

You’re just an anti science, anti history, and anti biblical bigot

The ignorant statements of a blank fool fall so easily out of all your posts.
It seems to be your ministry, @Skovand

Trust me when i tell you... Those girls are not good hands, and your particular Liberal assembly, will be even worse for them, both.

 

[Behold]

You should be praising god that there is not a hell for you to end up in…. By choosing a lifetime of hate.

I praise God all the time.

Also, I can't end up in Hell, as there are No Christians in Hell.

Wonderful, isn't it.

 

[Behold]

The parody below illustrates how the church
and Christians can stand in the way of someone
having a relationship with Jesus.

Universalism stands in the way of someone, anyone, and everyone..... regarding them having a born again relationship with Jesus.

 

[Verily]

Hell or hades wouldn't be a for ever thing though would it?

After the dead are delivered out of it first in Rev 20:13

Its followed by

Death and hades being cast into the lake of fire (which is the second death) Rev 20:14

The devil gets cast into the lake of fire earlier back in Rev 20:10 where the beast and false prophet already are and these shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And the rest of the dead that had been delivered up out of death and hades (which had already been cast into the lake of fire in verse 14) are followed by these dead (who are no more in death and hades). And any of these dead who were not found written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:15 not hell

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

 

[Behold]

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

The only people whose name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who chose to reject Christ, and die, never born again.

 

[Verily]

The only people whose name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who chose to reject Christ, and die, never born again.

I always wondered why the list wasnt longer and just made as briefly as you put it

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Or more similar to what will not inherit the Kingdom

1 Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of them who were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God.

 

[Behold]

1 Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

"All have sinned , there is NONE Righteous".....

So that is the problem........as that is all of us....

God solved this eternal problem for us, by offering "the Gift of Righteousness"... to everyone who will "BELIEVE In CHRIST"..

God takes that Faith like this......>>OUR "faith is counted by GOD..... as..... (Christ's) Righteousness"...

The Believer now born again.. is become.... "THE Righteousness of God......IN Christ"., because they have RECEIVED = "The Gift of Righteousness" from God.

This "GIFT" is Eternal.

 

[Verily]

"All have sinned , there is NONE Righteous".....

So that is the problem........as that is all of us....

God solved this eternal problem for us, by offering "the Gift of Righteousness"... to everyone who will "BELIEVE In CHRIST"..

God takes that Faith like this......>>OUR "faith is counted by GOD..... as..... (Christ's) Righteousness"...

The Believer now born again.. is become.... "THE Righteousness of God......IN Christ"., because they have RECEIVED = "The Gift of Righteousness" from God.

This "GIFT" is Eternal.

I would add these to the above

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[Behold]

pick up some books that dive deeply into what you think you know.

You picked up the wrong books.

Let me show you the issue... See, when you study the writings of heretics, that are designed to produce heretics.... you ended up as their Disciple, who is now selling THEM....

I'll pass.
Thx.

 

[Skovand]

Hell or hades wouldn't be a for ever thing though would it?

After the dead are delivered out of it first in Rev 20:13

Its followed by

Death and hades being cast into the lake of fire (which is the second death) Rev 20:14

The devil gets cast into the lake of fire earlier back in Rev 20:10 where the beast and false prophet already are and these shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And the rest of the dead that had been delivered up out of death and hades (which had already been cast into the lake of fire in verse 14) are followed by these dead (who are no more in death and hades). And any of these dead who were not found written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20:15 not hell

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Typically, scholarship shows that hades and death are both symbolism for the same thing. Death. Mythological represented as the place of shares. Hades is not another world for hell. Only the KJV and masorextic texts seem to do that. It’s been rejected by the bulk of theologians. Hell is a translation of Gehenna. If you go to where Hell is mentioned, look at the original language it’s Gehenna. An actual city. Gehenna is used symbolically to represent places of slaughter.

 

[Skovand]

This is a fantastic book that dives a bit into understanding the rhetoric as symbolism and what that symbolism meant to ancient Jews and Greeks.

I feel that once someone understands the symbolism and how that is used to argue for conditional immortality they are better prepared to then see if that symbolism can be used to understand universalism.

 

[Behold]

Typically, scholarship shows that hades and death are both symbolism for the same thing.

What you are trying to prove is that Scholarship, some of it, is the enemy of the New Testament.

 

[Behold]

I feel that once someone understands the symbolis.

The Devil has some theology... Quite a bit actually.

Some of it is... "There is no Hell... and everyone is already saved"..

So, reader, take note of Who would feel the need to teach some of the Devil's theology, and then you can know what you are dealing with...

 

[Verily]

Typically, scholarship shows that hades and death are both symbolism for the same thing. Death. Mythological represented as the place of shares. Hades is not another world for hell. Only the KJV and masorextic texts seem to do that. It’s been rejected by the bulk of theologians. Hell is a translation of Gehenna. If you go to where Hell is mentioned, look at the original language it’s Gehenna. An actual city. Gehenna is used symbolically to represent places of slaughter.

I had a few friends back in the day that were universalists so I am familiar with the doctrine.

Like this word, it means gehenna (not hell)

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; G1067 yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

So you would naturally regard that word (written as hell in the KJV) being Ghenna and so consider it as an actual city (which after one is killed) one can be cast into it?

 

[Skovand]

What I was saying is that most translations don’t translate hades as Hell. They translate it as hades. The KJV translates hades as hell, despite biblically they are very different places.

In the Bible Gehenna is the same place as Hinnom.

19 Verses About Gehenna - "The Vally of Slaughter"

All of the verses in the bible about Gehenna. Gehenna is a Greek which means “Valley of Hinnom” or “Valley of the sons of Hinnom.”

learningfromchrist.com

You’ll notice a lot of violent occurred there. Lots of people were slaughtered there. It held cultural significance as a place of pain and suffering and death. But it was a real actual city and valley that still exists to this day.

So in the New Testament that place was used symbolically to refer to the fate of the wicked. But because scholars did not want people confused, when Gehenna is referring to the actual city they call it Gehenna and when it’s being used to refer to the fate of the wicked it’s called Hell. But it’s the same word. It’s translated differently because of that’s the discussion is about.

Here we see Matthew 5:22. It’s in multiple translations.

Matthew 5:22 - Anger and Reconciliation

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be subject to the fire of hell.

biblehub.com

But in the majority it says something like

“But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell of fire.”

Here is that same verse with the Greek showing.

Matthew 5:22 Greek Text Analysis

biblehub.com

There you will notice that Gehenna is translated as Hell.

This link goes to rethinking hell which has tons of articles and close to 400 hours of discussions and debates just on hell.

Rethinking Hell | Exploring Evangelical Conditionalism (Annihilationism)

The place to explore Evangelical Conditionalism (Conditional Immortality), also known as Annihilationism

rethinkinghell.com

So Gehenna is used symbolically as the fate of the wicked, which is to be slaughtered. It’s not the name of an actual place in the underworld. Many confuse it and think that Hell is an actual literal place but it’s about the fate of the wicked, which is to be destroyed. Thsts conditional immortality.

But then with universalism, that same concept is taken a step back further by showing how destruction is often used metaphorically for refining and purifying.

 

[Behold]

So Gehenna is used symbolically as the fate of the wicked,

Hell is not taught as being symbolic by Jesus.

But you go ahead and stay with the scholarship, as your free will dictates.

But then with universalism, that same concept is taken a step back further by showing how destruction is often used metaphorically for refining and purifying.

Universalism, is teaching that every unbeliever is a Christian... as only Christians go to Heaven.

Se universalism, is a "no faith" false Gospel,.... Galatians 1:8.... that teaches that .. sinners never forgiven, who have never trusted in Christ... are already saved.

Let me show you how the Devil would teach that....

Satan walks up to a sinner... an unbeliever, and He says... .... "Did you know that there is no Hell.... AND.... You are already SAVED.... So, come to my church as there are billions just like you"...

 

[Verily]

What I was saying is that most translations don’t translate hades as Hell. They translate it as hades. The KJV translates hades as hell, despite biblically they are very different places.

In the Bible Gehenna is the same place as Hinnom.

19 Verses About Gehenna - "The Vally of Slaughter"

All of the verses in the bible about Gehenna. Gehenna is a Greek which means “Valley of Hinnom” or “Valley of the sons of Hinnom.”

learningfromchrist.com

You’ll notice a lot of violent occurred there. Lots of people were slaughtered there. It held cultural significance as a place of pain and suffering and death. But it was a real actual city and valley that still exists to this day.

So in the New Testament that place was used symbolically to refer to the fate of the wicked. But because scholars did not want people confused, when Gehenna is referring to the actual city they call it Gehenna and when it’s being used to refer to the fate of the wicked it’s called Hell. But it’s the same word. It’s translated differently because of that’s the discussion is about.

Here we see Matthew 5:22. It’s in multiple translations.

Matthew 5:22 - Anger and Reconciliation

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be subject to the fire of hell.

biblehub.com

But in the majority it says something like

“But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell of fire.”

Here is that same verse with the Greek showing.

Matthew 5:22 Greek Text Analysis

biblehub.com

There you will notice that Gehenna is translated as Hell.

This link goes to rethinking hell which has tons of articles and close to 400 hours of discussions and debates just on hell.

Rethinking Hell | Exploring Evangelical Conditionalism (Annihilationism)

The place to explore Evangelical Conditionalism (Conditional Immortality), also known as Annihilationism

rethinkinghell.com

So Gehenna is used symbolically as the fate of the wicked, which is to be slaughtered. It’s not the name of an actual place in the underworld. Many confuse it and think that Hell is an actual literal place but it’s about the fate of the wicked, which is to be destroyed. Thsts conditional immortality.

But then with universalism, that same concept is taken a step back further by showing how destruction is often used metaphorically for refining and purifying.

Here is how its used in the KJV /NT only and the number of times

Hell G86 = hades KJV
hell 10, grave 1

Hell G1067 = geenna KJV
hell 9

I do get the words can mean either one or the other and we can look at those as each is used in any specific verse, but this one right here (from the above)

When Jesus says,

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; (gehenna) G1067 yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

My question is how would you understand Jesus use of it here, since he references "after he hath killed" there. You do not believe Jesus is speaking of an actual city there (which after one is killed) can be cast into it do you?