the three woes

[Wick Stick]

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, do you believe that Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation ?

Douggg, it would have been better for you to accept that Revelation 19 and 20 both cover the seventh age and as such many of your assumptions simply do not add up, rather than to ask such a frivolous question which is not, as far as I know, answered within the End Time Scriptures.

Both Rev 19 and 20 cover the Gog Magog armies as they march towards Jerusalem during the latter part of the seventh age, i.e. during the last 24 or so years of the seventh age. Each chapter reveals a different revelation of the Gog Magog story that has been revealed in both chapters as well as in Ezekiel 38-39.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

rather than to ask such a frivolous question which is not, as far as I know, answered within the End Time Scriptures.

The great tribulation and Jesus's return is frivolous to you ?

Both Rev 19 and 20 cover the Gog Magog armies as they march towards Jerusalem during the latter part of the seventh age, i.e. during the last 24 or so years of the seventh age. Each chapter reveals a different revelation of the Gog Magog story that has been revealed in both chapters as well as in Ezekiel 38-39.

Ezekiel 39:9 are 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event. Then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Revelation 19:17-18 feast. In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

The Ezekiel 38-39 event is not in Revelation 20.

 

[quietthinker]

The great tribulation and Jesus's return is frivolous to you ?

Ezekiel 39:9 are 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event. Then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Revelation 19:17-18 feast. In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

The Ezekiel 38-39 event is not in Revelation 20.

Douggg, do you know what I mean when I say, 'understanding scripture through the lens of Jesus'?

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, do you know what I mean when I say, 'understanding scripture through the lens of Jesus'?

Yes, you are using it as a catch phrase to mean focusing on Christ as the central theme of each biblical book and recognizing how each book's theme is ultimately fulfilled in the person and work of Christ.

If that is what you mean - then why are you quoting EGW instead of Jesus, at the bottom of each your post ?

What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, you are using it as a catch phrase to mean focusing on Christ as the central theme of each biblical book and recognizing how each book's theme is ultimately fulfilled in the person and work of Christ.

If that is what you mean - then why are you quoting EGW instead of Jesus, at the bottom of each your post ?

What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

What is the issue you have with the EGW quote? ....and by the way, when I say 'understanding scripture through the lens of Jesus', it is not used as a catch phrase; it is a direction which if it is not KNOWN, the scripture will be interpreted according to any man's fancy. Isn't that what the Jews did and still do? isn't that what occurs on this site?....and isn't that what you do?

 

[Douggg]

it is not used as a catch phrase; it is a direction which if it is not KNOWN, the scripture will be interpreted according to any man's fancy.

Understanding of the scriptures, especially of those regarding the end times of things to come, is by the Holy Spirit guiding believers into all truth.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What is the issue you have with the EGW quote?

EGW end times teachings are erroneous. And I would not use her as source for anything.

SDA's hold EGW in high esteem. So when you attach a quote from her to all your posts, it gives the impression that your are SDA and are promoting SDA beliefs.

 

[quietthinker]

Understanding of the scriptures, especially of those regarding the end times of things to come, is by the Holy Spirit guiding believers into all truth.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

EGW end times teachings are erroneous. And I would not use her as source for anything.

SDA's hold EGW in high esteem. So when you attach a quote from her to all your posts, it gives the impression that your are SDA and are promoting SDA beliefs.

How is it you cannot distinguish between what a person is saying and the person themselves?
My question to you was, 'what is the issue you have with the EGW quote'?

 

[Douggg]

How is it you cannot distinguish between what a person is saying and the person themselves?
My question to you was, 'what is the issue you have with the EGW quote'?

It is ambiguous. And as such, serves no purpose.

 

[Jay Ross]

The great tribulation and Jesus's return is frivolous to you ?

It stated that you were presenting a frivolous question, I did not say that the Great Tribulation and Jesus' return was frivolous

Ezekiel 39:9 are 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event. Then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Revelation 19:17-18 feast. In Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

The Ezekiel 38-39 event is not in Revelation 20.

This is what Ezekiel 38:9 states: -

9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the earth like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.​

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And this is what Revelation 20:7-10 tells us:

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Satanic Rebellion Crushed​

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

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Seems to me that Ez 38:9 is stating the same that the Gog Magog army covered the earth like a cloud.

It seems to me that your claim that Ezekiel 38-39 event is not in Revelation 20 is very much a false claim on your part.

As for Ezekiel 39:21-29, this prophetic word is speaking of an event that happened around 1,000 years previously to the Gog Magog event that will occur during the Little While period after Satan is released from the Bottomless pit along with the beast and the False Prophet.

Douggg, your discernment leaves a lot to be desired and your repetitive posts demonstrates this fact loudly.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

It stated that you were presenting a frivolous question, I did not say that the Great Tribulation and Jesus' return was frivolous



This is what Ezekiel 38:9 states: -

9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the earth like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.​

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And this is what Revelation 20:7-10 tells us:

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Satanic Rebellion Crushed​

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

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Seems to me that Ez 38:9 is stating the same that the Gog Magog army covered the earth like a cloud.

It seems to me that your claim that Ezekiel 38-39 event is not in Revelation 20 is very much a false claim on your part.

As for Ezekiel 39:21-29, this prophetic word is speaking of an event that happened around 1,000 years previously to the Gog Magog event that will occur during the Little While period after Satan is released from the Bottomless pit along with the beast and the False Prophet.

Douggg, your discernment leaves a lot to be desired and your repetitive posts demonstrates this fact loudly.

Goodbye

Jay, in Ezekiel 39:9, there are seven years that follow the Gog/Magog event.

In Revelation 20:8-11, there is no seven years following the destruction of them who attack the camp of the saints. Following verse 10, in verse 11 this current earth and heaven (cosmos) are destroyed.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, in Ezekiel 39:9, there are seven years that follow the Gog/Magog event.

In Revelation 20:8-11, there is no seven years following the destruction of them who attack the camp of the saints. Following verse 10, in verse 11 this current earth and heaven (cosmos) are destroyed.

Thanks Douggg for confirming what I had posted. You have no understanding of what the scriptures present. You have eyes that do not see or ears that do not hear.

In my post above I made no mention of the seven years, but I did mention that the armies of Gog and Magog go out over all of the earth like a cloud which can be easily seen in both passages, yet your justification is that there is no mention of a seven-year period in Rev 20:7-10.

You are clutching at straws to justify your understanding.

 

[Douggg]

I my post above I made no mention of the seven years,

You did not take the seven years that follow the Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog event into account.

Obviously because it disproves your position of when Ezekiel 38-39 will take place.

 

[quietthinker]

It is ambiguous. And as such, serves no purpose.

It no doubt it is ambiguous to you Douggg, and therefore you miss its weightiness.
It is like that with scripture also. It is not understood ie, its intention and its purpose therefore men cobble texts in inappropriate order.....yes, they join the dots but it's the ear to the tail and inevitably come up with a picture that is a mess.

 

[Douggg]

It no doubt it is ambiguous to you Douggg, and therefore you miss its weightiness.

It is ambiguous because the sentence does not say what the method is.

'What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

 

[quietthinker]

It is ambiguous because the sentence does not say what the method is.

'What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

it requires thought, not spoon feeding!

 

[Douggg]

it requires thought, not spoon feeding!

It is ambiguous because the sentence does not say what the method is. It is baiting to learn what EGW meant.

'What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

Do you hold to SDA eschatology beliefs - such as the Pope, the papapcy, being the Antichrist ?

 

[quietthinker]

It is ambiguous because the sentence does not say what the method is. It is baiting to learn what EGW meant.

'What men want is a method of forgetting God that shall pass as a method of remembering him' EGW

Do you hold to SDA eschatology beliefs - such as the Pope, the papapcy, being the Antichrist ?haha....

Oh Douggg,
Your question only serves as a decoy. All these things are irrelevant if one does not see/ understand that Jesus is the KEY; the catalyst, the bright morning star, the one of who the prophet says, 'Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations— the people sitting in darkness have seen a great light, ...Matt.4:15-17

 

[Douggg]

Oh Douggg,
Your question only serves as a decoy. All these things are irrelevant if one does not see/ understand that Jesus is the KEY; the catalyst, the bright morning star, the one of who the prophet says, 'Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations— the people sitting in darkness have seen a great light, ...Matt.4:15-17

You must be SDA to post something from EGW and not respond to whether you hold to SDA eschatology or not.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Here I will post them....

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

What does Luke 22:21 mean to you? What does it mean to you in context of the rest of Luke 22? Luke 22:21 Interlinear Bible (KJV) - Greek Text and Lexicon

‘Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh, and drink blood.’…?

Even also, 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [29] For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.