The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

[Truth7t7]

Then after they are gone, the seventh angel sounds. The third "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" is then revealed in Revelation 12:12, as that phrase is used in that verse.

Your claim is "False"!

The 7th angel sounding ushers in the "Final Judgement" (The End) seen in verse 18 that's directly in context to Revelation Chapter 11

Douggg you try to jump away in "Diversion" to Rev 12:12 "Wrong"! The clear explanation of the "Final Judgement" taking place is seen in verse 18 "In Context" its that simple

Conclusion: You have a eschatology that's avoiding the simple truth in scriptural context, trying desperately to keep your false teaching alive, ain't gonna work!

Eternity Begins: "He Shall Reign For Ever And Ever"

Final Judgement: "The Time Of The Dead That They Should Be Judged"

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

There si no such thing. The trib, or also called GT is one period lasting 42 months/1260 days but months is the correct term the bible uses. It was once to be 7 years but was shortened down to only half of that.





Those passages are at dif timeframe. All of Rev 12 happens before the trib happens,. before either beast rises to power. Rev 11 shows how the 42 months end.




Nope. Rev 12 has two 3.5 year periods, both unrelated to the 42 months the beast has known as the trib or GT.

Rev 12-13 are consecutive with Rev 13 showing the start of the 52 months and REv 11 showing how the 42 months end. Rev is not chronological but jumps around with some consecutive chronology and some jumpy chronology. this is one of many reasons why it's been so difficult to understand.

There's the first half and second half of the seven years.

Arrange these timeframes per your interpretation, placing them as being in the first half or second half - as I did.

1260 days Revelation 11:3
1260 days Revelation 12:6
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2
42 months Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14

 

[ewq1938]

There's the first half and second half of the seven years.

Arrange these timeframes per your interpretation, placing them as being in the first half or second half - as I did.

No thx. I already told you there is no longer 7 years of a trib. It is only 42 months. I literally explained all the time periods already.

 

[ewq1938]

Your claims are "False" there's one future time of judgement that takes place at the second coming last day resurrection, "ALL" that are in the graves will come forth "ALL" both righteous and wicked,

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The word resurrection appears twice proving there are indeed two resurrections like all resurrection passages teach.

The only thing to figure out is how much time happens inbetween the res of life and the res of damnation. Rev 20 has that answer:

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates in this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

He did not say the resurrection of the just and unjust. He said only the just. Again, this is evidence of two separate resurrections. The resurrection of the just is only of the just, no one else.

What we learn from these verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th angel sounding ushers in the "Final Judgement" (The End) seen in verse 18 that's directly in context to Revelation Chapter 11

The words "Final Judgement" is not found in Revelation 11:18.

Final Judgement: "The Time Of The Dead That They Should Be Judged"

Revelation 11:18 the time of the dead judged is at the bema seat of Christ in heaven to give rewards to the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear God's name, small and great.

While on earth - them who destroy the earth are being destroyed.

 

[Truth7t7]

1.) Does The Beast Kill The Two Witnesses On This Earth As Seen In Verse 7 Below 100% "Yes"

Yes, the beast will kill the two witnesses on day 1260 of the 7 year timeline.

Part of your misunderstanding is that you don't take into account when the person becomes the beast. Since the abomination of desolation (setup 1335 days before Jesus returns) will be a statue image made of the beast - the person becomes the beast before day 1185 on the 7 year time line.

No such thing as a 7 year timeline, the beast and two witnesses are on earth together right up to the 2nd woe having the 7th angel sounding quickly after, the 3.5 years given are parallel as you have been clearly shown

2.) Do The Two Witnesses Lay Dead In Jerusalem For 3.5 Days As Seen In Verse 9 Below 100% "Yes"

Yes, the two witnesses lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, as the world celebrates, and exchange gifts with one another. Clearly something that cannot happen in the environment/conditions of the world at the end of the 7 years,

Once again no such thing as a 7 year time line

4.) Does The 2nd Woe Take Place In The Great Earthquake "The Same Hour" The Two Witnesses Are Raised As Seen In Verse 13 Below 100% "Yes"

No, Revelation 9:13-21 reveals that the second woe will be a third of mankind killed by the huge armies of 200,000,000. The second woe is not the earthquake that strikes Jerusalem the same hour that the two witnesses ascend to heaven.

Your claim is "False" scripture clearly teaches below "In Context" that the second woe is completed by the great earthquake "Before Your Eyes" as you live in denial of this scriptural fact

Revelation 11:12-14KJV
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

5.) Does The 3rd Woe Come Quickly In The 7th Angel Sounding As Seen In Verses 14-15 Below 100% "Yes"

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is not in verses 14-15. In verse 15, the voices in heaven is what is found in Revelation 12:12, "rejoice ye heavens". Verses 15-18 are a reaction by those in heaven to the 7th angel sounding.

Your claim is "False" scripture below teaches the 3rd woe comes in the angel sounding and the final judgement taking place in verse 18

6.) Is The "Final Judgement" (The End) Seen In Verse 18 Below 100% "Yes"

No. Verse 18 is the summary of the mystery of God to be fulfilled in the days of the 7th angel sounding, as stated in Revelation 10:7

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The days of the voice of the seventh angel will the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

Your claim is "False" verse 18 below is the "Final Judgement" (The End) No Summary as you claim, you deny the fact of scripture before your eyes

"The Time Of The Dead, That They Should Be Judged"

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

The words "Final Judgement" is not found in Revelation 11:18.


Revelation 11:18 the time of the dead judged is at the bema seat of Christ in heaven to give rewards to the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear God's name, small and great.

While on earth - them who destroy the earth are being destroyed.

There's only one time the dead will be judged, it's at the "Final Great White Throne Judgement" (The End)

(The Final Judgement In Parallel Teachings)

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:12KJV

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Davidpt]

The words "Final Judgement" is not found in Revelation 11:18.


Revelation 11:18 the time of the dead judged is at the bema seat of Christ in heaven to give rewards to the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear God's name, small and great.

While on earth - them who destroy the earth are being destroyed.

We might not be on the same page about some of this, but we are on the same page in regards to what you submitted here, though. I fully agree with this, yet fully disagree that the beast reigns for 42 months after the 7th trumpet sounds. The beast reigns 42 months prior to the the 7th trumpet sounding. That is when the Lord alone is exalted in that day. He alone can't be exalted in that day if the beast is exalting itself in that day. These events cannot be running in parallel since it is a contradiction that the Lord alone is exalted in that day if the beast is exalting itself in that day. Therefore, the former follows the latter.

 

[ewq1938]

There's only one time the dead will be judged, it's at the "Final Great White Throne Judgement" (The End)

(The Final Judgement In Parallel Teachings)

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

There are two groups of the dead. One are the saved dead, the other are the unsaved dead. This is addressing the saved dead who are judged and rewarded.

Revelation 20:12KJV

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

This is the unsaved dead, judged and punished. Only the unsaved dead can actually be resurrected back to physical life but still be called the dead. Teh resurrection is past at the timeframe of that verse.

 

[Truth7t7]

The beast reigns for 42 months, unhampered by the two witnesses who hall have left this world on day 1263 1/2 of the 7 years.

Your claim is "False" the two witnesses bring all the plagues seen in Revelation 16:1-11 these come upon the beast and his kingdom, a replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Truth7t7]

Zechariah 14 is all nations of the world shall come up against Jerusalem.

Muslims ? No, Islam will end when the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38;-39 takes place, 7 years before Zechariah 14.

You reference Ezekiel Chapter 39 as if a "Future" was is going to take place "Wrong"

The battle seen in Ezekiel Chapter 39 below was a historical battle fought long ago with "Wooden Weapons" Spears, Shields, Bows, and Arrows these weapons were burnt in the fire long ago "Fulfilled"

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

 

[Douggg]

Once again no such thing as a 7 year time line

The 7 years are in Revelation 12.

1260 days Revelation 12:6 + the war in heaven time, Revelation 12:7-9 + the time, times, half time, Revelation 12:14 = the 7 years

The seven years are also in Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event. Those 7 years are the same 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

 

[Douggg]

Your claim is "False" the two witnesses bring all the plagues seen in Revelation 16:1-11 these come upon the beast and his kingdom

The vials of God wrath in Revelation 16 are initiated by the seven angels in heaven pouring out the vials of God's wrath. Not by the two witnesses.

 

[Douggg]

No thx. I already told you there is no longer 7 years of a trib. It is only 42 months. I literally explained all the time periods already.

I did not say 7years of tribulation. But the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. And the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event.

In Revelation 12:6 are the 1260 days. Then the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 after Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:12.

 

[Truth7t7]

The 7 years are in Revelation 12.

1260 days Revelation 12:6 + the war in heaven time, Revelation 12:7-9 + the time, times, half time, Revelation 12:14 = the 7 years

The seven years are also in Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog event. Those 7 years are the same 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Revelation 13:5 (The Beast) 42 months/3.5 years

Revelation 11:3 1260 days/3.5 years

As you've been shown "several times" the beast and the two witnesses are given 3.5 years, you have been shown in Revelation Chapter 11 that both will be present on earth at the final hours of earth's existence that ends in the 7th angel sounding and the "Final Judgement" (The End)

Yes the beast and two witnesses will be present on earth for 3.5 years "together" as you live in denial of this biblical truth that's taught in Revelation Chapter 11

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 13:5 (The Beast) 42 months/3.5 years

Revelation 11:3 1260 days/3.5 years

As you've been shown "several times" the beast and the two witnesses are given 3.5 years

The term 3.5 years nor 3 1/2 years is not found anywhere in the bible.

Use the terms in the bible. The time expressions are different for a reason.

In Revelation 11:2, 42 months is used.
In Revelation 11:3 the very next verse, 1260 days is used.

Do you know why ?

 

[Truth7t7]

The vials of God wrath in Revelation 16 are initiated by the seven angels in heaven pouring out the vials of God's wrath. Not by the two witnesses.

The angels are in the spiritual, the two witnesses are in the literal physical world

The (Two Witnesses/Anointed Ones) are used to pour the (Vials/Oil) out of themselves upon the earth in God's plagues

Zechariah 4:11-14KJV
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

The term 3.5 years nor 3 1/2 years is not found anywhere in the bible.

Use the terms in the bible. The time expressions are different for a reason.

In Revelation 11:2, 42 months is used.
In Revelation 11:3 the very next verse, 1260 days is used.

Do you know why ?

One thing is a fact, the beast and two witnesses will be on this earth to see the final hours of earth's existence before the second coming and final judgment takes place as you've been shown several times, as Revelation Chapter 11 clearly teaches

 

[Douggg]

One thing is a fact, the beast and two witnesses will be on this earth to see the final hours of earth's existence before the second coming and final judgment takes place as you've been shown several times, as Revelation Chapter 11 clearly teaches

No, you are not getting when the 1260 days is in relationship to 42 months of the beast-king's rule.

Explain why the difference...

In Revelation 11:2, 42 months is used.
In Revelation 11:3 the very next verse, 1260 days is used.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, you are not getting when the 1260 days is in relationship to 42 months of the beast-king's rule.

Explain why the difference...

In Revelation 11:2, 42 months is used.
In Revelation 11:3 the very next verse, 1260 days is used.

Explain how the beast kills the two witnesses and they lay dead on earth for 3.5 days, they are raised and the same hour the Great earthquake and the second woe passes and the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th angel sounding and the dead are judged all seen in Revelation Chapter 11

Don't forget you want to falsely claim (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) aren't on this earth in the same time frame, when Revelation Chapter 11 teaches they are together right up to the final hour(s)

Douggg nobody's buying your unscriptural man made theories, your in denial of God's very clear words presented before your eyes over and over "Scary"!