The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

[tailgator]

The beast reigns for 42 months, unhampered by the two witnesses who hall have left this world on day 1263 1/2 of the 7 years.

Jesus returns at the end of the 7 years, which will be at the end of the time, times, half time of the third woe.


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False,the two witnesses are occupying Jerusalem during the reign of the beast.

 

[Douggg]

It's not the EU that attacks Israel.
Those ten kings are middle eastern kings.Muslims.

The kingdom is the promised land from river to river

Zechariah 14 is all nations of the world shall come up against Jerusalem.

Muslims ? No, Islam will end when the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38;-39 takes place, 7 years before Zechariah 14.

 

[tailgator]

The rapture/resurrection event is "a" mystery as the text says in 2Corinithians15:21.

In Revelation 10:7 it is "the" mystery of God, as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

This is the mystery of God as he has declared to his servants the prophets.
Paul being a prophet ,testifies of the mystery of God.


2 Corinth 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

 

[tailgator]

Zechariah 14 is all nations of the world shall come up against Jerusalem.

Muslims ? No, Islam will end when the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38;-39 takes place, 7 years before Zechariah 14.

Gog does not come against the saints in the land of Israel till after the 1000 year reign You are so off.
You completely get all of revelation mixed up putting the cart 1000 years before the horse.



Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Douggg]

False,the two witnesses are occupying Jerusalem during the reign of the beast.

No. The celebrating, making merry over their deaths and exchanging of gifts by the world cannot take place in an apocalyptic environment/condition.

Near the end of the 7 years, a third of the world's population will be killed by the huge armies of 200,000,000 as their way to Armageddon.

That is not an environment for celebrating and making merry, exchanging gifts.

 

[Douggg]

Gog does not come against the saints in the land of Israel till after the 1000 year reign You are so off.

Gog is the leader of Gog/Magog at the time of the Ezekiel 38/39 event.

The Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 refers to it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

In Ezekiel 39:9 the 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event, are the same 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

 

[tailgator]

No. The celebrating, making merry over their deaths and exchanging of gifts by the world cannot take place in an apocalyptic environment/condition.

Near the end of the 7 years, a third of the world's population will be killed by the huge armies of 200,000,000 as their way to Armageddon.

That is not an environment for celebrating and making merry, exchanging gifts.

The death of the king of Babylon and the deaths of the two witnesses are reason to make merry.

The day of the Lord is 3.5 days after the deaths of the two witnesses.That is when Palestine melts.



Why you attempt to add another 3.5 years to the beasts life is beyond me. You must believe the beast reigns with Christ after the last trump sounds.

You believe the beasts is Jesus right hand man or something?


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Where do you see the beast reigning in revelation 11:5?

 

[tailgator]

Gog is the leader of Gog/Magog at the time of the Ezekiel 38/39 event.

The Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 refers to it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

In Ezekiel 39:9 the 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event, are the same 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Ezekiel 38 takes place after the saints come up out of their graves in Ezekiel 37.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,



You trying to say the dead in Christ has already come up out of their graves as in Ezekiel 37 ?

 

[tailgator]

Gog is the leader of Gog/Magog at the time of the Ezekiel 38/39 event.

The Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 refers to it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

In Ezekiel 39:9 the 7 years that follow the Gog/Magog event, are the same 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

PS Messiah is reigning over them in the land of Israel when Gog comes against Israel in Ezekiel 38.His reign over them in the land of israel starts in Ezekiel 37

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

 

[ewq1938]

Both of these events are involving 42 months. And if they are running in parallel it would obviously mean that when the 2Ws quit prophesying, thus their 42 months have expired, the same has to be true of the beast's reign, that it ends when the 2Ws time ends. So why is Revelation 11:7 showing that the beast makes war with them after their 1260 days expires rather than during their 1260 days if that is paralleling the 42 month of the beast?

Either the 1260 and 42 are parallel both ending when the 7th trump sounds, or they are almost parallel with the 1260 ending when the two prophets die, and the 42 going on for 3.5 days until the 7th trump sounds. Either way, the beasts 42 months to be in power and wage war against the church ends at the 7th trump.

 

[ewq1938]

Example: Revelation 11:18 Is The One And Only Final Judgement, A Parallel Teaching Of Revelation 20:11-15 in Final Judgement

They are not the same judgment or timeframe. You didn't even quote any of Rev 20 to compare to Rev 11. They do not match.

 

[Douggg]

Why you attempt to add another 3.5 years to the beasts life is beyond me. You must believe the beast reigns with Christ after the last trump sounds.

You are confused and confusing. I never said anything about 3.5 years, nor about adding 3.5 years to the beast's life.

The beast-king and the false prophet will both be cast alive into the lake of firs at Jesus's return in Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

Verse 14 is John alerting the reader that it has been shown in Revelation 9:13-21 what the second woe will be.

I Disagree, Rev 11:14 describes the 2nd woe as the great earthquake, no other interpretation needed

And that will quickly be revealed to the reader what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be - which is in Revelation 12:12.

Revelation 11:15-18 describes the 3rd woe as the 7th angel sounding and the final judgment "The End" no other interpretation needed

Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction to the sounding of the seventh angel.

Yeah it's called the final judgment end of the world, also seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Revelation 11:15 is the rejoice ye heavens. The great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Eternity begins, he shall reign forever and ever

Revelation 11:18 is the summary of the mystery of God to be finished in the days of the voice of the seventh angel -

Revelation 11:18 is the "Final Judgement" also seen in Revelation 20:11-15

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Either the 1260 and 42 are parallel both ending when the 7th trump sounds, or they are almost parallel with the 1260 ending when the two prophets die, and the 42 going on for 3.5 days until the 7th trump sounds. Either way, the beasts 42 months to be in power and wage war against the church ends at the 7th trump.

The time frames of Revelation take place in either the first half or second half.

first half
1260 days, Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

Second half
3 1/2 days, Revelation 11:11
42 months, Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
a time, times, half time, Revelation 12:14

 

[Truth7t7]

They are not the same judgment or timeframe. You didn't even quote any of Rev 20 to compare to Rev 11. They do not match.

There's only one future time the dead are judged "Final Judgement" seen below

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Davidpt]

The days of the voice of the seventh angel will the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

That does not make sense in light of the following, for one.
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Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.


2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God , or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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Take note of what I underlined above. Does it really make sense that what I underlined in Isaiah 2, that that is true if 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is still true at the time? Clearly, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is involving the 42 month reign of the beast. Clearly, what I underlined in Isaiah 2 comes to pass once Revelation 11:15 is fulfilled.

Apparently, per your interpretation, you would have us believe--- Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God(2 Thessalonians 2:4)---equals this---the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day(Isaiah 2:17).

You are convinced you have this all figured out and are right about everything, regardless that your interpretation defies common sense, since common sense says the Lord alone can't be exalted in that day if the one meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is exalting himself in that day. Obviously then, once the 7th trumpet sounds, the one meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 will no longer be exalting himself, the Lord alone, just like Isaiah 2:17 declared, will be exalted in that day.

 

[tailgator]

You are confused and confusing. I never said anything about 3.5 years, nor about adding 3.5 years to the beast's life.

The beast-king and the false prophet will both be cast alive into the lake of firs at Jesus's return in Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Jesus returns and the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire in revelation 11.




Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



What makes you think God can not destroy the beast here in revelation 11:18 when them who destroy the earth are destroyed ?

 

[ewq1938]

The time frames of Revelation take place in either the first half or second half.

There si no such thing. The trib, or also called GT is one period lasting 42 months/1260 days but months is the correct term the bible uses. It was once to be 7 years but was shortened down to only half of that.

first half
1260 days, Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

Those passages are at dif timeframe. All of Rev 12 happens before the trib happens,. before either beast rises to power. Rev 11 shows how the 42 months end.

Second half
3 1/2 days, Revelation 11:11
42 months, Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
a time, times, half time, Revelation 12:14

Nope. Rev 12 has two 3.5 year periods, both unrelated to the 42 months the beast has known as the trib or GT.

Rev 12-13 are consecutive with Rev 13 showing the start of the 52 months and REv 11 showing how the 42 months end. Rev is not chronological but jumps around with some consecutive chronology and some jumpy chronology. this is one of many reasons why it's been so difficult to understand.

 

[ewq1938]

There's only one future time the dead are judged "Final Judgement" seen below

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

No, the dead in Christ are judged first, and according to REv 20 the "rest of the dead" are only judged after a thousand years that you reject but there can be no valid denial that Rev 20 has a thousand years in-between one resurrection and judgment and the final one.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, the dead in Christ are judged first, and according to REv 20 the "rest of the dead" are only judged after a thousand years that you reject but there can be no valid denial that Rev 20 has a thousand years in-between one resurrection and judgment and the final one.

Your claims are "False" there's one future time of judgement that takes place at the second coming last day resurrection, "ALL" that are in the graves will come forth "ALL" both righteous and wicked,

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.