Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

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Matthias

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M,,,,,are we not suppose to pay attention to LORD or Lord?

I don’t understand your question. LORD is the standard English convention for the personal name of the Messiah’s God. “Lord“ is not God’s personal name. It is a title.

In verse 1 GOD is saying to Messiah SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND

Who is GOD? The Trinity isn’t speaking to Messiah. GOD is the one true God, the God of Abraham - Yahweh - the Father, only one person, is speaking to the Messiah.

GOD is the head of the Messiah (1 Corinthians 11:3).

In verse 5 The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of GOD

In verse 5 the Messiah is not sitting at the right hand of GOD.

WHY does one of my bibles state, in verse 5, that Messiah stands at the right hand of GOD to protect Him?

I don’t know of any translation of Psalm 110:5 besides NLT that states the Messiah is standing at the right hand of GOD to protect GOD. GOD protects the Messiah. GOD doesn’t need protection from anyone.

(I think it was the NLT....I really use the NASB for study which does not have this protection sentence).

P.S.

In trying to think of what passage of scripture you might have had in mind to go with NLT over other translations, I’m wondering if you might have been thinking of Acts 7:55-56?
 
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Nay, thou hast thy "thys" bass-ackwards. The "thy" in verse 5 shouldest have a capital "T", for it referreth to YHWH, who still hath adoni Messiah at His right hand.

V.5 The Lord (the Hebrew title used in reference to Yahweh, Adonai) is at your (the Messiah’s) right hand (the Hebrew non-deity title, adoni, in verse 1).

The Father (Yahweh) is at the Son’s (Jesus’) right hand in this verse.

Cp. Psalm 121:5 -> “Yahweh is your keeper; Yahweh is your shade on your right hand.”

The unnamed person is being shaded / protected by Yahewh, who is at the unnamed person’s right hand.
 
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You did…but you still exhibit no understanding of what was said in any of the verses you quoted..

Can we examine those verses in the light of how they were understood by the people to whom they were written?…not by those who came later and changed the meaning of everything that Jesus taught. In their translation, done according to their own erroneous adoptions and interpretation, false beliefs of an apostate church system, became a Christianity that Christ never taught…..just as Jesus and his apostles foretold.…..Do you pretend it never happened?

The “weeds” of Jesus parable were not sown recently. The foretold “apostasy” was beginning even before the apostles died. (2 Thess 2:3-7) Anything written after the first century is not included in the NT canon for a very good reason…it does not belong in Scripture.
The whole of God’s word was written by Jews…..there is not a Catholic author among them.

John 13:13
“You call Me Teacher (didaskalos) and Lord; (kyrios) and you are right, for I am.“ (NASB)

Yes….”GOD made Jesus Lord and Christ”…”Kyrios“ is the English equivalent of “Sir” or “Master”, a title of respect not necessarily of deity. Sarah called Abraham “Lord” (kyrios)…she didn’t think he was God.

And Christ means “anointed one”. Jesus only became “the Christ” when he was baptized in water followed by his anointing with the Holy Spirit.
Original word meanings get lost in the error of translation.


Read it again….who made Jesus Lord (Master) and Christ (anointed one) ? His God did.
How can you make someone what he already was? Or give authority to one who already has it? (Matt 28:18)

Yes, two entirely separate beings.…one is Superior to the other. Look and see that the first “LORD” is in capitals but the second is not. What does that tell you? It tells you that the first “LORD” is Yahweh….the second one is his Messiah, David’s “Lord” who was to come. Not the same “Lord”.

Jesus said “the Father is greater than I am.” Making him “Lord“ to his disciples, did not make him God.

Yes, Jesus has a God and Father…..God does not. Jesus has brothers…..God has sons.
Does God only have one son? The angels are called “sons of God”….but Jesus is his “firstborn” and “only begotten” (monogenes), (Col 1:15) meaning that he is the first and only direct creation of his God and Father. (Rev 3:14) All creation thereafter came via the agency of this firstborn son (Col 1:16-17)…….so the pre-human Jesus had heavenly “brothers”…..but who are Christ’s “brothers” on earth? (Matt 25:31-46)

Yes, and I can’t believe that you can read those words and not see that two entirely separate beings are spoken about. “Jesus is the Christ; the son of the living God.”
Jesus is “the son of God” as he plainly stated himself. Calling the son “theos” in no way makes him deity, as Jesus plainly demonstrated to the Jews who accused him of blasphemy…..he said that his Father called human judges in Israel “gods” (theos) because they had his divine authority. (John 10:31-36)

LOL…read it again….”therefore God thy God hath anointed thee”…..the anointed one has a God.
Jesus called his Father “my God“ four time in just one verse, long after his return to heaven. (Rev 3:12)
Can God have a God, even in heaven? Can God be his own High Priest? (Hebrews 3:1) Can God be his own “servant”? (Acts 3:13)

Yes, there it is in black and white…Jesus is “the Son of the living God”.…”sent” by his Father.
His Father is “head” over him, affirming his superiority as “the Most High over all creation”. (Psalm 83:18)

Elizabeth’s address to Mary as “the mother of my Lord” echoes the words of David in Psalm 110…they speak of the same “Lord” who in prophesy was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. But in Scripture, the LORD Yahweh is not the Lord Jesus.

1 Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:
(Psalm 110:1 Jewish Tanakh)
If you refer to the Hebrew you will see the divine name “יְהֹוָ֨ה” is translated “Lord” and that Yahweh is addressing David’s “master”.
יְהֹוָ֨ה (Yahweh) was going to make the enemies of David’s “master”, a stool for his feet.

Without this information what does the Scripture suggest as it is translated in most Bibles?
“The Lord said to my Lord” is meaningless. What “Lord” said what to whom?

Do you never wonder why genderless spirit beings present themselves as Father and Son? It’s a relationship we humans understand because of the way we were created….that is until Christendom’s “god” is mentioned….then it all goes haywire…..the relationship is completely lost.

This is why I reject any notion of Jesus being anything but a “holy servant” of his God and Father, a beloved firstborn son, who willingly laid down his human life to redeem the now defective human race.….inheritors of a terminal affliction called sin, which Christ’s death paid for as their only release from its grip.

Can you tell me how redemption works and how the nation of Israel understood redemption?
You still will not show the supposed lack of understanding, you just lecture at posts and assume the things you write, I will leave you to yourself.
 

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Psalm 110:1 -> “Yahweh says to my lord“ or “Yahweh says to my Lord”?

Let’s ignore for a minute that the correct Hebrew word is adoni and substitute for it the incorrect Hebrew word Adonai. Adonai is the title that is reserved for God (449 times). What would the phrase look like in English when we do this? -

“Yahweh says to my [Yahweh].”

A nonsensical phrase.

What if we propose that “Yahweh” and ”Jesus“ are identical personal names: “Yahweh” = “Jesus”. Now what does the phrase look like? -

“[Jesus] says to my [Jesus].”

Another nonsensical phrase.
 

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God speaking here

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 

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God speaking here

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Yes. This is an example of God (Yahweh, the God and Father of the Messiah) identifying the Messiah (Jesus of Nazareth) with the title elohim (plural in form, singular in meaning) / God in scripture.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Yahweh, God himself, again speaking and identifying Jesus of Nazareth as theos, demonstrating that elohim (which is always plural in form) is singular in meaning when applied to one person.

This is the same Yahweh who also made Moses [as] God (elohim / theos ) to Pharaoh.
 
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Yes. This is an example of God (Yahweh, the God and Father of the Messiah) identifying the Messiah (Jesus of Nazareth) with the title elohim (plural in form, singular in meaning) / God in scripture.



Yahweh, God himself, again speaking and identifying Jesus of Nazareth as theos, demonstrating that elohim (which is always plural in form) is singular in meaning when applied to one person.

This is the same Yahweh who also made Moses [as] God (elohim / theos ) to Pharaoh.
Yeah, God was speaking to God there
 
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Yeah, God was speaking to God there

Yes, but Yahweh was not speaking to Yahweh there.

God (Yahweh) is speaking to someone who functions as God (Jesus) but who isn’t God himself.

God did it with Moses. God did it with Jesus.

That’s Jewish monotheism.
 

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John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

Psalm 45:6-7 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

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John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

See all English translations from Greek to English published prior to 1611. (The Geneva Bible, for example.) How do we harmonize them with this translation?


Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

“and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages was hidden in God who created all things.” (NASB)

The same God (Yahweh) who is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah is the one who created all things.

Psalm 45:6-7 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

I love those
 

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See all English translations from Greek to English published prior to 1611. (The Geneva Bible, for example.) How do we harmonize them with this translation?




“and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages was hidden in God who created all things.” (NASB)

The same God (Yahweh) who is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah is the one who created all things.
I dont need to dissect the words of God, it becomes ugly and uninspired when you do that.
 

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Are you able to transport yourself back in time in your mind to the year 1560? If you are, imagine that the Bible you are reading is the Geneva Bible. Are you opposed to Christians today reading the Bible of the Protestant Reformation?

Matthias this is getting boring for me, so I will leave off of the conversation between us.
 

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Matthias this is getting boring for me, so I will leave off of the conversation between us.

I’m truly sorry to here that. I was enjoying our conversation. I didn’t find it boring in the least (in fact, I found it stimulating) but, since you do, I think you probably should abandon it.

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To my other readers, I recommend reading the prologue of John’s Gospel in the Geneva Bible and then comparing it with the prologue of John’s Gospel in the King James Bible. The difference in the versions is obvious, but there is a way to harmonize them.