Thanks, but no thanks. You happen to be speaking to an Elect Saint of God, who is born again and who can never lose his salvation, no matter what sin he commits.
God's Hatred
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All of that is your own private opinion, none of it can be supported by any scripture. So with all due respect, if any, I'm not interest in private opinions because all 8 billion people on the planet have a different opinion.
Why should I chose to believe your opinion over the other 7.999999999 billion opposing opinions. Can you see how pathetic your argument is, you're asking me to believe in your opinion and reject what God has said about this. Your opinion makes God a liar, and that's highly offensive to us Elect Saints of God.
Where did you get this lie, that; "Jesus died for them...the haters.. and God wants to forgive them, and have them in His Family". That's a Satanic doctrine, taught in every Church of Satan. You won't find a single scripture to support such a blatant lie, anywhere in the bible. So I would strongly suggest you repent of this Demonic Doctrine.
Yes, I speak 3 languages fluently and I can communicate in 7 other languages.
Says the guy who evaded all of my questions and never justify his/her theological position, when exposed
Yes the Lord Jesus Christ leads the most hated religion in human history and I'm super glad and proud of Him for hating unbelievers.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
When did you become Born Again?
A few days back, you said you never knew when you became Born Again....Jesus said we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....he doesn’t say, we don’t know when we became Born Again....
We are Born Again in an instance...nowhere in Gods word does he say we are Born Again day by day, or even Born Again slowly for that matter, you should 100% know that the Spirit has birthed your spirit, how else can we be led to understand the scriptures, without being birthed by the Spirit?
Who brings you to understand scripture?
Spirit gives birth to spirit....what’s that if it’s not the spiritual birth?
You can’t prove that, not by what you post ..it’s full of hatred for the world.the Love Of God should be manifest in your heart/spirit, that’s why I will continue to rebuke your hate filled posts.
HOW DO YOU MANIFEST THE DEVOTED LOVE OF GOD? Love God with all your heart, with all your soul (Personality), and with your entire mind (intellect, will, choice and emotions)(Matt. 22: 37). Love your neighbor/all people (Gal.
How do you even know God?..by what you post ?
How do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
We are Born Again, please explain what it is then, if it’s not the “ spiritual rebirth”?
What in us must be Born Again?
Oh .. but it is.
Spirit gives birth to spirit?
You must be Born of the Spirit, which you have already admitted, that you don’t know when you were Born Again, your spirit must be birthed supernaturally by the Spirit Of God?
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, His seed is what penetrates the heart/ spirit, there the living seed manifest himself and grow..do you understand that the Living Holy Spirit has manifested himself in your spirit? What does Spirit gives birth to spirit mean to you?..let’s hear your interpretation of the Spirit birth?..that’s why I rebuke all of your posts, you don’t even seem to understand that we are led through God’s word by the Spirit.
I pray that you know the Love Of God in your heart.
HOW DO YOU MANIFEST THE DEVOTED LOVE OF GOD? Love God with all your heart, with all your soul (Personality), and with your entire mind (intellect, will, choice and emotions)(Matt. 22: 37). Love your neighbor/all people (Gal.
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Behold
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Its Paul's Theology.
If you will use a bible, then find all of Paul's 13 Epistles and read them.
That will be something new for you to experience, and its obvious that Paul's doctrine is not something that your cult teaches, or cares to learn, and that situation is what has produced you and your theology.
MA2444
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Because when they are born again it is spiritually. The soul & the flesh remain the same. Then (she has made herself ready) by obeying the word of God and their conscience. They identify with the Lord and obey His commandments. But there's a lot more than 10 commandments in the Bible! So you have to read the entire thing for yourself, and pray all the way through it. Pray without ceasing and then the seed of God that came with the spiritual rebirth is watered and grows. You grow.
See your spirit and your soul are connected and they fight all the time because one is spiritual and talks with God directly, and the spirit is carnal so can not receive the things of the spirit. So they fight. They are two wolves in the Cherokee proverb. What do they fight about? They fight over who gets to dictate the actions and behavior of the flesh body.
Your soul will always side with the flesh and all it's desires. When we fast and don't eat food, the flesh body will complain (Hunger pains) and the soul will complain, hey that tastes good it's my favorite and it's in the refrigerator!
But your spirit will say, no you're denying your flesh to bring it into subjection to your spirit and to God. To God, we humble ourselves to Him by denying ourselves something, food. 7 days? 3 days? 24 hours? Even one meal. You let the spirit (who the Holy Spirit bears witness to!) say no to the flesh and to the soul! This is humbling because saying no to the flesh and sticking to it and perhaps even using that time that it would've took to cook and eat...to give it to God, and sit and worship and pray during that time. That's very satisfying to do!
I was fasting one time and I felt hungry, so I spoke out loud to my flesh body and told it to shut up or I would add another day onto the fasting...(!!!) and went and read the word instead. The hunger went away! That was kind of spooky!
It's these instances of overcoming the flesh and bringing it in to subjection to the spirit and to the Lord. You can do it with anything almost too! You dont have to fast for 40 days! You can give the money for that large size Ressee cup or chocolate bar you were going to buy to the homeless guy outside instead. Boom, you just fasted a treat. Every little bit helps. You can do what I have been calling a "digital fast" and shut down the internet, TV, monitors and my phone! for a period of time. That's an acceptable fast offering to the Lord. But use the time for Him!
How many hours per day do you pray to the Lord? Now how many hours are you on the internet? Shouldn't God get equal time at the very least?
I better quit there, I'm talking to myself too!
MA2444
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I watched 2 or 3 videos where they was trying to come against Paul's teachings. It was the biggest load of crap I ever heard! It didnt faze me a bit, lol.
Behold
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Yes..
Heretics tend to believe and want to SHOUT = that the "bible is filled with Errors" and that Paul is just "one more apostle" "same as the rest".
Catholics built their "church" on Peter and Mary and Water....... YET..... Peter said that Paul's letters, that he had, are "SCRIPTURE", (equal to the TORAH).... and that is long before the NT was created.....
Paul told us...>>"Be tho a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
And Heretics will never agree, because they THINK that means..>>"worship pauL"...but that is not what he is saying.
He's teaching...>"Jesus gave me the Gospel, and the Church Doctrine, and my LIFE is how you live the Christian Faith"... "do that"..
So, as you look around and find that you see the obvious...= that Paul's Theology.....that is The Gospel and Church Doctrine..>How easy this is to realize....... once you see it.........then this will show you, who does not see it, and who will not have it. because they do not want it.
They want CALVINISM and MORMONISM AND JW... and their DENOMINATION....and "law and commandment".. ect, ect..
These are the deceivers....and they build churches, they post on Forums, and they post verses they will never understand, and then say..
"Gotcha".
Some of them even post entire chapters.....
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Your religion of HATE is far from being Christian!
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What questions have I refused to address? None. It's YOU who can't answer why it is that God wants us to "hate without a shred of love" our parents (though He said honor them) but we're to "love without any hate whatsoever" pagan "non-brethren" strangers - which you claim is what the Bible teaches.
"We don't question God's program" is not an answer.
That same God says "come, now, let us reason together". The above claim you made is not reasonable!
Not sure why your having difficulty understanding the Bible doctrine of being born again. Show me a single verse which says being born again must be instant the the person must know the exact moment. Save yourself some time and don't bother looking for such nonsense in the bible, because it doesn't exist anywhere outside of your wild imagination.
I know I'm born again, but I don't remember any particular moment when I was born again. Just as I don't remember when I was born the first time. You don't get to set any rules to Gods order, all you must do is obey and never question anything Gods says or does.
A born again believer is not born again in this life, being born again is to receive the promise of becoming Christlike, in the life to come. You can never become Christlike in this life because you still sin, so yeah.....
I'm not sure what problem you have with me keeping Gods command to hate the world, if I loved the world, then I would be wicked and God would cast me into the lake of fire and torment me for all eternity. So it looks like someone has taught you the doctrine of demons which teaches you to love the world.
Please don't add your foolish nonsense to what God said, why do you always twist what He said to make it say something utterly different God said "love your neighbor" but you say no God you got it wrong, let me tell you how it should be "don't just love your neighbor but love all people".
you really can't stand Gods Word, can you. You always have to twist it to the point where it becomes demonic doctrine.
How did you confuse my not knowing when I was born again, with not being born again. You can't be that deficient in your capacity to understand simple language, or could you???
No, it's not Paul's theology at all. It's just your own private, unqualified opinion which is not supported by any scripture at all. Your theology is utterly messed up, you have never defended any of the charges made against you, with scripture. You just keep using your private opinion as your only defense.
I don't mean to upset you but, you're nowhere near the truth.........
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Another perspective on God’s hate.
ANSWER
First, we must take this verse in the context of the chapter. Jesus is teaching His disciples, and, like any good teacher, He gets His students thinking. In this case, He begins with a truth statement that is hard to understand. Then He clarifies it with a metaphor. The truth statement is Luke 14:26, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.” It seems that, if we don’t hate our family, we can’t be Jesus’ disciple. Or is there more to this issue?
Following the statement that we must “hate” our father and mother, Jesus relates a metaphor about a man who builds a house without first counting the cost (Luke 14:28–30). The man finds that he cannot follow through with what he set out to do. He leaves the house unfinished because he cannot pay what is required. Jesus’ illustration helps explain His difficult statement about hating our mother and father—namely, we must count the cost of being a disciple. There is a cost, and that is the point of the passage.
In order to be a disciple, we must be willing to give up everything for Jesus. Following Jesus requires commitment and faithfulness, even if our parents choose not to follow the Lord. If and when we are faced with the painful choice of loyalty to family versus loyalty to Jesus, we must choose Jesus. Even if our family members disown us—or worse—for being Christians, we must follow Christ. It is in this sense that we are “hating” our family. Jesus’ command to “hate father and mother” requires us to prioritize our relationship with Jesus over our relationship with parents, siblings, and other family members.
Of course, it is right to love our family members, and we want them to love and follow God. Elsewhere, Jesus confirmed the fifth commandment that we honor our fathers and mothers (Mark 7:9–13). And Paul sternly warned that “anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Timothy 5:8). Jesus’ statement that we “hate” father and mother must be seen in relation to the whole of Scripture. His point is not that we are to be heartless toward our families, only that we must love Him more.
We must not forget that included in Jesus’ condition that a follower must “hate” his father and mother is the condition that he likewise hate “even his own life” (Luke 14:26, NAS). Jesus is not teaching an emotional hatred of one’s parents any more than He is teaching self-hatred. The emphasis is on self-denial and absolute surrender. Immediately following is Jesus’ instruction to “carry your own cross” (verse 27, NLT).
What did Jesus mean when He instructed us to hate our father and mother (Luke 14:26)?
ANSWER
First, we must take this verse in the context of the chapter. Jesus is teaching His disciples, and, like any good teacher, He gets His students thinking. In this case, He begins with a truth statement that is hard to understand. Then He clarifies it with a metaphor. The truth statement is Luke 14:26, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.” It seems that, if we don’t hate our family, we can’t be Jesus’ disciple. Or is there more to this issue?
Following the statement that we must “hate” our father and mother, Jesus relates a metaphor about a man who builds a house without first counting the cost (Luke 14:28–30). The man finds that he cannot follow through with what he set out to do. He leaves the house unfinished because he cannot pay what is required. Jesus’ illustration helps explain His difficult statement about hating our mother and father—namely, we must count the cost of being a disciple. There is a cost, and that is the point of the passage.
In order to be a disciple, we must be willing to give up everything for Jesus. Following Jesus requires commitment and faithfulness, even if our parents choose not to follow the Lord. If and when we are faced with the painful choice of loyalty to family versus loyalty to Jesus, we must choose Jesus. Even if our family members disown us—or worse—for being Christians, we must follow Christ. It is in this sense that we are “hating” our family. Jesus’ command to “hate father and mother” requires us to prioritize our relationship with Jesus over our relationship with parents, siblings, and other family members.
Of course, it is right to love our family members, and we want them to love and follow God. Elsewhere, Jesus confirmed the fifth commandment that we honor our fathers and mothers (Mark 7:9–13). And Paul sternly warned that “anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Timothy 5:8). Jesus’ statement that we “hate” father and mother must be seen in relation to the whole of Scripture. His point is not that we are to be heartless toward our families, only that we must love Him more.
We must not forget that included in Jesus’ condition that a follower must “hate” his father and mother is the condition that he likewise hate “even his own life” (Luke 14:26, NAS). Jesus is not teaching an emotional hatred of one’s parents any more than He is teaching self-hatred. The emphasis is on self-denial and absolute surrender. Immediately following is Jesus’ instruction to “carry your own cross” (verse 27, NLT).
Ahhhh. The good ole weaponizing of the Bible to militarize a faith of love and justice and turn it into a hate cult living in fear of its vengeful god…… it’s funny seeing people read the Bible, completely miss the main point of it.
It’s not completely their fault though. In much of the world Christianity is heavily influenced by American Christianity and western thought. Much of it was spread by the word and enslavement, not freedom and love and hundreds of years later this is its byproduct.
A murderous god who says to hate others with this distorted view that love can be this toxic thing full of eternal fiery pain. Their sense of justice is that even 120 years of being a bad person is justified by billions and billions of years of torture.
Accomondationism and progressive theology really helps combat this hatred.
One example is reading of all the animal
Sacrifices. Did God really want that, or was that something he permitted to help contain the hatred of man until they could develop a healthier worldview?
I’ll show why later after work.
A murderous god who says to hate others with this distorted view that love can be this toxic thing full of eternal fiery pain. Their sense of justice is that even 120 years of being a bad person is justified by billions and billions of years of torture.
Accomondationism and progressive theology really helps combat this hatred.
One example is reading of all the animal
Sacrifices. Did God really want that, or was that something he permitted to help contain the hatred of man until they could develop a healthier worldview?
I’ll show why later after work.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The thing is though, if one is Born Again, the Spirit has penetrated the heart, therefore has received the overwhelming Love Of God into our heart, there his Love from the Holy Spirit will grow, our heart should grow to Love, not hate, that is a wicked and distorted view of all that the Holy Spirit represents.
It makes me wonder where their heart is .,.Gods Spirit is Love, we receive that pure unadulterated Love, the moment we are birthed.
What comes out of the mouth is in the heart and it’s true, those who hate have not known God, His word even says this.
What Defiles a Man
(Mark 7:14–23)
10Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”
12Then the disciples came to Him and said, “Are You aware that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13But Jesus replied, “Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by its roots. 14Disregard them! They are blind guides.e If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
15Peter said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16“Do you still not understand?” Jesus asked. 17“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. 20These are what defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile him.”
God loves my family through me, he has shown me how to properly love my family...my family have never put me in a position to put them before God..
They respect my walk with God and are happy to experience the change in me...even though it has taken them time to adjust to the change they see in me,...after all this mum used to be a raving loony...then the Love Of God came along and slowly started to show me that his Love will never hurt me...I had only ever known emotional abuse..so it took a while to relate to Gods Love.this is my testimony to the power of Gods Love, the whole world needs to know his Love.
Let us be a beacon of light in the world and show the Love of Christ from deep within our hearts, as that is where he indwells us..in Jesus Name...Amen!
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
It makes me wonder where their heart is .,.Gods Spirit is Love, we receive that pure unadulterated Love, the moment we are birthed.
What comes out of the mouth is in the heart and it’s true, those who hate have not known God, His word even says this.
What Defiles a Man
(Mark 7:14–23)
10Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”
12Then the disciples came to Him and said, “Are You aware that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13But Jesus replied, “Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by its roots. 14Disregard them! They are blind guides.e If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
15Peter said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16“Do you still not understand?” Jesus asked. 17“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. 20These are what defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile him.”
God loves my family through me, he has shown me how to properly love my family...my family have never put me in a position to put them before God..
They respect my walk with God and are happy to experience the change in me...even though it has taken them time to adjust to the change they see in me,...after all this mum used to be a raving loony...then the Love Of God came along and slowly started to show me that his Love will never hurt me...I had only ever known emotional abuse..so it took a while to relate to Gods Love.this is my testimony to the power of Gods Love, the whole world needs to know his Love.
Let us be a beacon of light in the world and show the Love of Christ from deep within our hearts, as that is where he indwells us..in Jesus Name...Amen!
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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