THE TWO GOSPEL HERESY

[mailmandan]

The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. John the Baptist also preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2)

Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and "Pre Cross" they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This shows that before the cross, the more distinct element to the content of the gospel of the grace of God that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected, yet he did believe that Jesus was the Messiah. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matthew 16:21). In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. However, it is unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem...And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:331-34.Now that's strange if the further content of the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the exact same content as the gospel of the kingdom. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection. (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24) It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding. (Luke 24:44-47)

I don't believe there are multiple gospels, yet through progressive revelation, there is a more distinctive element to the content of the gospel which Paul received from Christ and is called "the mystery of the gospel." (see Ephesians 6:19 and compare with Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body. (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13)

 

[Doug]

Don't forget what the famous eternal security false teacher Gnarly Charlie Stanley taught.... once becoming born again, Christians can live in sin and still be saved. View attachment 52580

The OSAS crowd believes the Lord has no problem with people living in sin... they think it's all good and living like the devil is no big deal. These folks will get the same treatment the devil gets when they croak someday

Paul says that we are justified by believing the gospel....that Christ died for our sins and raised for our justification.

If OSAS person says we are free to sin it is wrong.

We can sin but are forgiven. We are to repent of sin.

[1Co 1:2 KJV] 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Look at the Corinthian's behavior yet they saved.

[Tit 2:11-12 KJV] 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Jewish-Christians were being persecuted by the Jews and the Romans. The Jews were involved with Christ’s crucifixion and Stephen was martyred by the Jews. And of course Paul was rounding them up for the arenas.

Besides more or less being a renegade Jewish sect they were few in numbers and mostly relied on converting Jews that already observed the Mosaic Law. Converting non-Jews-Gentile-Pagans involved them getting circumcised and learning and observing the Mosaic Laws and that proved to be difficult and problematic. Their Christian message was well received by a lot non-Jews but getting adults circumcised and signed them up for the Mosaic Law was a problem.

As a result of all this the Jewish-Christian sect dies out by the end of the first century. So it appears Christianity would have died out with them if it would not have been for Paul’s conversion. And even with Paul’s conversion this sect is pretty much gone by the turn of the first century and a lot of that was due to the destruction of the Temple and the Roman siege that killed a good part of the Jewish population so as it was it would be the Gentile-Christians that would take the helm of Christianity and continue.

And then the question is, why did Christ convert Paul?
Did Yeshua see the end of Christianity if He did not?
Did Yeshua think that the details of the Gospel need further explanation?
Did Yeshua think the Gospel at that point was incomplete?
Did Yeshua want to expand the Gospel to include the whole world?
What all did Yeshua tell/teach Paul at His conversion?

Whatever Christ said to Paul his “Gospel” would be different. So at this point it can be said that there were two Gospels. The Pauline Gospel dropped the Jewish culture and the Mosaic Law. Gentile- Christians were not required to be circumcised or follow the Mosaic Law.

Of course this caused a lot of animosity between the Jewish-Christians and the Gentile-Christians and Paul and the Gentile-Christian were harassed to the point that Paul and Peter met with James in Jerusalem for a ruling to end the harassment. And here is the ruling that James issued.

The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.----Acts 15:23-29

So except for four basic stipulations the Mosaic Law only pertained to Jews and Jewish-Christians. Peter joined Paul in his ministry and together they preached the Gentile-Christian Gospel to the world. Now how different was this Gospel? Dropping the Mosaic Law and Jewish culture was a significant difference in substance and character. So the Gospel that Paul preached saved them from Hell, freed them from the burden of the Mosaic Law and offered an eternal stay in Heaven.

Of course there was a lot more details revealed in Paul’s ministry. But was this the second Gospel? Or was it a continuance or addition to the first Gospel? I will leave that up to you all to decide.

Pretty much so.
I highly respect and follow the scriptures of the bible.
Paul,as all others inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote from heaven, to man. Or I should say, to Gods people.
Thank you Jesus for all the epistles.
Never has been 2 separate gospels.
Jesus knew what his mission was.
All The apostles preached Jesus.

 

[Doug]

Pretty much so.
I highly respect and follow the scriptures of the bible.
Paul,as all others inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote from heaven, to man. Or I should say, to Gods people.
Thank you Jesus for all the epistles.
Never has been 2 separate gospels.
Jesus knew what his mission was.
All The apostles preached Jesus.

OK Thanks

 

[Grailhunter]

Pretty much so.
I highly respect and follow the scriptures of the bible.
Paul,as all others inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote from heaven, to man. Or I should say, to Gods people.
Thank you Jesus for all the epistles.
Never has been 2 separate gospels.
Jesus knew what his mission was.
All The apostles preached Jesus.

So your point?
You don't want to call them separate Gospels....neither do I. But the word is usually used in the wrong context.
Not separate stories….The four Gospels tell you to obey the 613 Mosaic Laws and observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.

Most Christians are not going to do that because they favor the “Pauline” Gospels which do not require obedience to the Mosaic Laws and they worship on Sunday.

 

[Doug]

So your point?
You don't want to call them separate Gospels....neither do I. But the word is usually used in the wrong context.
Not separate stories….The four Gospels tell you to obey the 613 Mosaic Laws and observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.

Most Christians are not going to do that because they favor the “Pauline” Gospels which do not require obedience to the Mosaic Laws and they worship on Sunday.

Actually, my understanding is that there is more than one gospel. The gospel means glad tidings. God had different gospels for mankind in different dispensations.

GOSPEL 1

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

This verse says it is gospel and says what it is.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

What gospel was the writer of Hebrews referring to ?

Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

The gospel of entering into God's rest through belief referred to above in Hebrews 4:2 is not the same gospel given to Israel in the wilderness to possess the land. It can be seen from this comparison that there is more than just one gospel.

GOSPEL 2

Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

There is no mention of the cross in this gospel.

The Davidic kingdom was promised to Israel, wherein, they would inherit an earthly kingdom and reign with Christ (Daniel 2:44 Revelation 20:4).

[Luk 9:2 KJV] 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

Christ commissioned the twelve to preach the kingdom of heaven, the gospel of the kingdom, not the cross.

GOSPEL 3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter preached the gospel of the uncircumcision.

[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Peter preached that the resurrection of Christ would assure he would come and establish the kingdom and the new covenant to believing Israel. The nation Israel will be saved at the coming of Christ Jesus.

GOSPEL 4

Below is Paul's gospel; the complete, finished salvation provided by Christ Jesus freely given to all who believe. This is the gospel that saves us today.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

Paul was given revelation of a mystery. Paul preached "my gospel".

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul's gospel was kept secret and could not have been preached by the twelve apostles.

GOSPEL 5

The everlasting gospel will be preached during the tribulation.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The gospel of God is the progressive revelation of God's provision of salvation to mankind. It has always been by grace. It has always been by the blood of Christ, whereby God from the beginning could offer forgiveness to all. It has always been by faith, by believing God.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The false brethren always say this when they get caught believing false doctrine.
You need to do better than this homie!

We can sin but are forgiven. We are to repent of sin.

Alrighty then... you think one can live like the devil, as an adversary to the Lord and they are automatically forgiven
What a fresh steaming pile of horse hockey that is!

No wonder all you OSAS peoples are living in sin which is spiritual adultery against the Lord

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

You should take heed to these warnings... written to Christians!
(there's more warnings in the NT about this...)

Look at the Corinthian's behavior yet they saved.

So you think it's OK to live in sin... if those people died while in sin after having become a believer,. they would have gone south not north... just like Ananias and Sapphira

False doctrines such as what you osas peoples espouse is causing people to miss Heaven... but you and your boy Charlie Stanley love some false doctrine!

my understanding is that there is more than one gospel.

Well you.... believe wrong

God's Word does not teach this so you have been deceived by doctrines of demons.

 

[Mjh29]

No wonder all you OSAS peoples are living in sin which is spiritual adultery against the Lord

Even as one who believes in eternal security, I am very VERY opposed to the heretical notion that this gives anyone the right to simply live any way they please and sin as much as they like. It is extremely unfortunate and disheartening to see people taking promise of security and warping it into a lawless, fruitless existence of self-indulgence.

 

[Grailhunter]

Actually, my understanding is that there is more than one gospel. The gospel means glad tidings. God had different gospels for mankind in different dispensations.

Please look this up in the Greek....It does not mean glad tidings or good news.

Even as one who believes in eternal security, I am very VERY opposed to the heretical notion that this gives anyone the right to simply live any way they please and sin as much as they like. It is extremely unfortunate and disheartening to see people taking promise of security and warping it into a lawless, fruitless existence of self-indulgence.

The thing is you set the wheel in motion….go chase that wheel.

The rule is….give’em an inch and they will run a hundred miles.

I know there are a lot of good people that sin very little that believe in OSAS. If you promote OSAS how many people will agree and end up in Hell.

Satan loves the belief of OSAS he is looking forward to a lot of them in the flames. Be a little considerate…..the belief of be good do good is more correct and wiser.

 

[mailmandan]

The false brethren always say this when they get caught believing false doctrine.
You need to do better than this homie! View attachment 52636

Are you calling me a false brother and judging me as condemned? That judgment call is well above your paygrade, and this is no laughing matter. You are not qualified to infallibly judge the hearts of men. (James 4:12)

Alrighty then... you think one can live like the devil, as an adversary to the Lord and they are automatically forgiven
View attachment 52633What a fresh steaming pile of horse hockey that is!

Who said anything about living like the devil, as an adversary to the Lord and automatically being forgiven? Don't confuse children of the devil with children of God. 1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

No wonder all you OSAS peoples are living in sin which is spiritual adultery against the Lord. False doctrines such as what you osas peoples espouse is causing people to miss Heaven...

All you OSAS people? So, now you are accusing all OSAS believers as living in sin and you are judging them all as condemned? Another judgment call that is well above your paygrade. You are not the judge of the universe.

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

In context, this is addressing false prophets and false teachers. 2 Peter 2:1 - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time, their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. As we read on to verse 9, we see a contrast between the righteous and the wicked and we read that the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment. Peter further describes these false teachers who will perish in their own corruption (vs. 12) as spots and blemishes (vs. 13) and wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (vs. 17) We read similar language about ungodly men in the book of Jude who were said to be "devoid of the Spirit." (vs. 19)

By the time we get down to verse 20, we read - For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

Those in the NOSAS camp are quick to use these verses to disprove OSAS, but these folks need to take a closer look. Those who are truly born of God have received a divine nature and have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption refers to internal corruption. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside. (2 Peter 2:20) Genuine believers, who are partakers of the divine nature have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4) Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside. Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment. Judas Iscariot is a good example of someone who rejected the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ yet was never saved. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

You should take heed to these warnings... written to Christians! View attachment 52635

Just because the book of Romans is addressed to Christians does not mean that everyone being discussed in the book of Romans is a genuine Christian. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians found mixed together throughout the NT. Now in regard to Romans 11:22, how about a little context. Romans 11:1 - I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings.

Romans 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

Romans 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

The Israelites (Jews) were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored - Romans 11:24-26). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not become arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God.

Professing Christians, who are Gentiles, are corporately in outward covenant with Christ so, it would appear that Romans 11 is speaking about the question of collective ecclesiology and not individual soteriology. I see the warning to this collective body, which is corporately joined to Christ and is in a covenant relationship, but how could this mean that every individual in it is in saving union with Christ? Hence the "cut off." Union with Christ applies to the elect, and only for the elect are, "the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable." (verse 29)

But since non-elect covenant members are mixed in, Christ clearly appears to have non-elect branches, like Judas Iscariot (John 15:1-8) and while they may be joined outwardly in covenant with Christ, since they have professed faith in Jesus, the faith of some of them is spurious because they were never truly saved to begin with, even though they were among genuine believers. (1 John 2:19)

 

[IronMaiden]

I believe in eternal security. That’s it.

 

[mailmandan]

I believe in eternal security. That’s it.

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

 

[rebuilder 454]

So your point?
You don't want to call them separate Gospels....neither do I. But the word is usually used in the wrong context.
Not separate stories….The four Gospels tell you to obey the 613 Mosaic Laws and observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.

Most Christians are not going to do that because they favor the “Pauline” Gospels which do not require obedience to the Mosaic Laws and they worship on Sunday.

Jesus broke their law.
No apostle including Paul preached any other way to heaven ,other than through Jesus, which is the only gospel.

 

[Mjh29]

I believe in eternal security. That’s it.

I agree; no man shall pluck out of Christ's hand what the Father has given him!
However, I can completely understand the fear of some that this leads to a fruitless life that is wholly apart from Christ and His Commands - still, matters most is not what we fear will happen or think happens, but what the Scriptures say

 

[JLB]

Grace and Truth, came by Jesus.

But the Gospel of the Grace of God, that is "we preach Christ Crucified"... Paul says.. came from Paul..
This is why Paul wrote Galatians 1:8
This is why Paul says THE Gospel is 'MY Gospel", and He received it from no man...but by revelation from Jesus Himself.

Jesus Christ is God the Son.

Paul received his Gospel from the resurrected Son of God.

Words of Christ in red -


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20



There is no there Gospel than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Behold]

that they should repent, turn to God,

Notice..

"repent.....................= turn to God".

See that?

That is the REPENTANCE that Paul is Teaching the King.

"REPENT.... = turn to God"... means to turn from UNBELIEF.. (repent from unbelief) and turn = to FAITH in God.. .and this is specifically done like this..

"ALL who call on the name of JESUS... shall be SAVED"..

""""But as many as received JESUS, (by faith)>... to the Believer .. GOD gave POWER... to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name""

Now, this is how PAUL explains that as HIS Gospel that Paul defines as "MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.

A.) = """""" For the PREACHING of the CROSS......... is to them that perish foolishness;.......but unto us which are saved IT is the POWER of God.""""""

and do works befitting repentance

This verse means...>>Now that you have repented from your UNBELIEF< and turned to FAITH IN CHRIST... and are born again....

Then Paul teaches you are to offer your LIFE to God, like this..

"present your BODY, as a living Sacrifice to God,............. as your reasonable = SERVICE"

 

[IronMaiden]

I believe in eternal security. That’s it.

And here in the following verses is the reason why I believe in eternal security. Read carefully, all you who don’t believe it.

Romans 8:28-33 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? [It is] God who justifies.

 

[Ritajanice]

And here in the following verses is the reason why I believe in eternal security. Read carefully, all you who don’t believe it.

Romans 8:28-33 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? [It is] God who justifies.

Reading scripture or posting/ quoting scripture doesn’t give you eternal security my friend.

Eternal security comes from the Living witness within our spirit, that is where eternal security is witnessed.

Gods word is confirmation of the Living witness of truth ,only he can testify Gods truth to our heart/spirit.

 

[IronMaiden]

Reading scripture or posting/ quoting scripture doesn’t give you eternal security my friend.

Eternal security comes from the Living witness within our spirit, that is where eternal security is witnessed.

Gods word is confirmation of the Living witness of truth ,only he can testify Gods truth to our heart/spirit.

It’s the LORD who gives eternal security.

 

[Ritajanice]

It’s the LORD who gives eternal security.

We are birthed by the Holy Spirit, we must be Born Again.

We have been Born Again of imperishable seed, whose the Living seed that we are Born of?
How do you know Jesus is who he says he is?

I mean, if you post that the Lord gives you eternal security ,then you must be able to explain what that means?