WW3 : How to start it.

[Scott Downey]

Disagreement is okay.
I stand in my position for several factors…

* Regarding the Second / Last Trib.
Pre - Mid - Post Trib…all plays a role of regarding “who is” raised up “when and why and how”.

* Historical Reference in Regard to the First Trib.
“Who was” raised up “when and why’.
8 humans believed.
8 prepared (built an ark) Gods order, way.
8 entered ark.
God closed the door.
7 days pass, rain begins.
Ark begins rising up.
Fountains of the deep rise up.
Ark rises above mountain tops.
Above mountain tops…CLOUDS.
Ark with 8 humans Above the face of the earth (dry land), being destroyed by water.

NEW testament “hint”…
Matt 24:
[37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

The days of Noah…8 (few of the Then population believed, Prepared) according to Gods Order and Way.

The rest of the Population…were carrying on AS Usual…(not Believing, not Preparing) Until Noah (8) entered the ark.

Irrelevant “WHEN” was first rain ever…but important … the Dry Land (God called Earth) was quickly being covered from WATER from above and below….EFFECTING “EVERYONE” WHO WAS on the face of the Earth….

AND the EFFECT of the “Believing AND Prepared” 8 humans?
THEY were “RISING UP”.

How HIGH DID “the Believing AND Prepared “. RISE UP ABOVE the Chaos and Destruction ON the Earth? To the Height of CLOUDS above the Mountain tops.

The NEW (better) Testament reveals A NEW OFFERING FROM GOD TO HUMAN MEN….
FOR: any willing man to TAKE Gods Offering and BE “PREPARED” and they as well “ESCAPE” …. The NEXT, SECOND, LAST….Tribulation God has Revealed HE SHALL SEND DOWN FROM Heaven…AGAIN upon the WHOLE Earth.

AFTER the FIRST Trib. The 8 prepared saved believers were RETURNED to the face of a (restored) Dry Earth.

OT… revelation…knowledge
Ecc 1:
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

The BELIEVING….AND..PREPARED
(According to Gods Offering, Order, Way)
WILL NOT BE APPOINTED to suffer Tribulations AND Wrath SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN

The RAPTURE….described IN 1 Thes…eing lifted up OFF the face of the Earth, UP to the CLOUDS…applies TO: the Believing AND Prepared (who are MADE Prepared ….
By, Through, Of…the Lord God)…
By, through, of …human men WHO accepted the Lord Gods Offering, according to HIS Order and Way.

ALL OTHERS…ON the face of the earth, having NOT become ”PREPARED” SHALL suffer Tribulations AND Wrath SENT down from Heaven……

Until…IF, WHEN, during the Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven…
“THEY WILLINGLY” “give, submit” their OWN…
Body…unto death, FOR their belief IN the Lord God Almighty.

THEN shall “such” individuals BE MADE, bodily physically dead, soul saved, spirit quickened…AND their departed saved soul and quickened spirit RISE UP to Heaven and Remain with God…”until”…

RETURNING TO THE FACE of the Earth…
The DAY of Judgement and their own Bodies Risen up IN Glory, to the face of the Earth…and their saved soul and their quickened spirit imparted INTO their glorious risen body.

Your comments welcome.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Tribulation comes from Satan against the church.
The great tribulation time is such a thing, where the Dragon, Beast, False prophet all make was against the saints and overcome them for a season of time. Tribulation and wrath coming from heaven.... well I think the world experiences wrath in God's judgement against the world.

The people of the world will also suffer during the great tribulation. And they will experience God's wrath as they refuse to love the truth and be saved.

Jesus says this, for the sake of the elect whom HE chose, those days will be shortened by God, else no flesh will be saved.
Now we know there are believing survivors on the LAST day, (some flesh is saved) when HE returns and the world is consumed by fire and the destruction of the ungodly , who at that time are all Dragon worshippers,. We believers (elect) who remain and alive are caught up into the clouds, gathered to Christ and He destroys the world in fire. So then we don't experience any kind of wrath, but we do experience tribulation, and that is never coming from God against His people. We shall be with Him at that time, we will see it.

The Great Tribulation​

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

Revelation 13
6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [a]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

IF we are with the LAMB of GOD at His destroying of the wicked, then first we were gathered, then onto the war.
All this happens in a single DAY, called the Day of the LORD, and it also includes the dead rising in Christ and the judgement of the world

The LAST DAY is the resurrection, the judgement , the time when God's people inherit the earth,

 

[Taken]

Tribulation comes from Satan against the church.

Aware Satan is AGAINST God and Christ’s Church.
Aware Satan’s mission is to convince men to also be AGAINST God and Christ’s Church…

Tribulations on this earth is men AGAINST men. Men whose Influence is directed by Satan… Still it IS man against man.

The great tribulation time is such a thing, where the Dragon, Beast, False prophet ….

Can you identify…the TIME specific you are calling the “GREAT” Tribulation in relation to the Judgements/ Tribulations/ Wrath sent down from Heaven of the 7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 vials ?



God bless you

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

Aware Satan is AGAINST God and Christ’s Church.
Aware Satan’s mission is to convince men to also be AGAINST God and Christ’s Church…

Tribulations on this earth is men AGAINST men. Men whose Influence is directed by Satan… Still it IS man against man.



Can you identify…the TIME specific you are calling the “GREAT” Tribulation in relation to the Judgements/ Tribulations/ Wrath sent down from Heaven of the 7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 vials ?



God bless you

Glory to God,
Taken

I would have to think on that.
There is the 7 year time period of the great tribulation.
Split at 3.5 years, the mid point begins the serious persecution by antichrist against the saints.
Time, times, half a time is 3.5 years, which is for 42 months
12 x 3 = 36, then 36 +6 = 42 months

Note this time period is first prophesied in Daniel 7, then again in Rev 13
These scriptures describe the same exact thing. Even the TEN KINGS.

21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’

Rev 13
Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 17:12
“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

 

[Scott Downey]

Well along into the bowl judgements, we read this, which tells us God's people are still on the earth.
And Christ says this to His people right before the gathering to Armageddon
And we also know that by 1 Thess 4. We who remain alive, are caught up into the clouds as Christ returns.
The bowl judgement are being poured out on the people of the beast, the beast's kingdom.

Rev 16

Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up​

12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [g]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [h]Armageddon.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@Scott Downey

This world…is FULL of Tribulations….of man Against man.
Not secret…reported IN Scripture.
Not news…..reported IN Scripture.
Not new…….anciently, historically, modernly

The Specific Tribulation I was speaking of IS Tribulations SENT DOWN FROM Heaven.

Southern Sudan…as well as other places of this world, men suffer Tribulations caused by men.

Any comments regarding my post of “Gods” First Tribulations Sent down From Heaven and the Last (future) Tribulations to be Sent down from Heaven?


Glory to God,
Taken

I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
"evil" is also translated as calamities, troubles, woe, destruction, disasters.
His judgments are ordained and man carries them out unbeknownst to them.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Can you identify…the TIME specific you are calling the “GREAT” Tribulation in relation to the Judgements/ Tribulations/ Wrath sent down from Heaven of the 7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 vials ?

The GT certainly is a time like no other, the most devastation, suffering and death ever experienced on a global scale. Over half the population will die during g a short period of time. My point earlier was that people individually in smaller numbers have suffered and died with as much pain, devastation and death, ( which is great tribulation to them).Getting your head chopped off, being burned alive or a deadly virus killing you within days is as bad as it gets. Hundred pound hails stones will fall, but so has a mountainside collapsed on a car and family driving along the road.
As to your question; we will know itnis the GT when we have seen 1/4 of the population die within the first couple years.
So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth. Rev.6:8
So, we see an average of 60-68 million deaths per year in the e tire world now. When you start seeing ten times that amount, then you will know.

 

[Taken]

There is the 7 year time period of the great tribulation.

That answered my question per what you believe.
Thank you.

Split at 3.5 years, the mid point begins the serious persecution by antichrist against the saints.

Agree. The Great Tribulation is a 7 year Period, with other specific time-lines within the 7 years

Thank you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
"evil" is also translated as calamities, troubles, woe, destruction, disasters.
His judgments are ordained and man carries them out unbeknownst to them.

Thanks, but Gods creations and makings is/was not in dispute.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Well, maybe you should visit southern Sudan and try to convince the Christians there that they will not suffer tribulation. They are getting their heads cut off. Mankind has suffered tribulation since the beginning.

Well, now you are playing fast and loose with terms. Persecuted because of our faith from the beginning, yes. However, the term "tribulation" refers to End Times. While generic persecution against us is of the devil, tribulation is Judgment from God.

They might feel the same but their source is different.

 

[Taken]

My point earlier was that people individually in smaller numbers have suffered and died with as much pain, devastation and death, ( which is great tribulation to them).

@Scott Downey

Acknowledged your point…and acknowledged the CAUSE…men again men.

As to your question; we will know itnis the GT when we have seen 1/4 of the population die within the first couple years.

This did not answer the question.
First couple of years?…of HOW MANY YEARS?

I believe the “great tribulation” is Tribulations and Wrath SENT down from Heaven…

A 7 year Period, with specific time-lines within the 7 year Period.
(AS Scott Downey also specifically replied).

I believe…the FOR Centuries men have Caused tribulations Against men…
God DID NOT STOP men….
God OFFERED men an Order and Way ….
To BE WITH God and God WITH them AND COMFORTED BY God THROUGH the Tribulations Caused BY man against man.

I believe … the LAST Great Tribulation …
IS:
*Specifically A SERIES of Judgements:
*AUTHORIZED BY God…
*FOR The Lamb of Gods Wrath.
*FOR the devils Wrath.
*FOR Gods Wrath.
TO BE EFFECTED and AFFECT and Be AGAINST:
the Inhabitants “OF” and “UPON” the Earth:
*WITHOUT: The Lamb of God
*WITHOUT: The devil
*WITHOUT: God
* WITHOUT:
* The COMFORT of the Lord God.

Bottom Line…
There IS:
a WORLD POPULATION of manKIND
WHOSE “standing” IS:
WITH the Lord God.
ALL Humans NOT WITH the Lord God..
IS such Humans;
AGAINST the Lord God.

That does NOT mean….they ARE with Satan, with a stone idol god, with ANY thing else….rather…they ARE “NOT WITH” the Lord God….NOR the Lord God “WITH THEM”!

DURING the series of the 21 Judgements, (divided into 3 Sets of 7) occurring during the 7 year Period of the Great Tribulation…
* The Lamb of Gods WRATH…First 7 (SEALS) Judgements shall BE Against MEN who REJECTED the Lamb of God.

* The Devils Wrath…Occurs during the Second set of 7 (TRUMPS) Judgements and shall BE Against MEN who REJECTED the Devil.

Concurrently….DURING the tribulations and wraths OF THOSE DAYS….and THOSE 7 + 7 Judgements….
Men OF (inhabitants) the EARTH….HAVE OPPORTUNITY…
TO DECLARE…”MAKE” their STANDING their pledge of TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO:
* The Lamb of God
* To the Devil
* To God
(Or NOT make a “pledge” of allegiance to ANYONE).

THEY…”WHO” make a “pledge” TO:
The Lamb of God and God….SHALL “CEASE” experiencing Tribulation and Wrath…”BY” becoming BODILY DEAD.

THEY…”WHO” make a “pledge” TO:
The devil…or NO pledge….SHALL “CONTINUE” LIVING and EXPERIENCE…
Gods Tribulations and Wrath…
AND NOT by ANY means BE ABLE TO DIE and END their suffering….for the LAST of the 7 years period…NOR have Comfort….NOR have Opportunity TO Hide….NOR have Opportunity TO “jump in” in allegiance with the Lamb or God.

I will KNOW….WHEN….The series of Tribulation's and Wrath ARE poised to commence upon the inhabitants OF the Earth….

BECAUSE:
I KNOW my STANDING and ALLEGIANCE “Has ALREADY BEEN MADE ESTABLISHED, by AGREEMENT between The Lord God and myself….AND Gods POWER TO KEEP our Agreement in Tact.”

AND BECAUSE:
According to Gods Word and Promise …ALL men WHO HAVE AN Established Standing and Allegiance WITH the Lord God BEFORE the Great Tribulation commences…
ARE NOT “appointed” to partake, be present, ON the face of the EARTH…
AND WILL NOT BE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH DURING the Great Tribulation sent down from Heaven.

It is not complicated….
Honorable Human’s DO NOT subject their own obedient children to “punishments” …
NOR does our Honorable God subject His obedient children to “punishments”.
AND the Great Tribulation IS Expressly about REQUIRING the inhabitants upon the face of the Earth to EXPERIENCE Punishments sent down from Heaven.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Well, now you are playing fast and loose with terms. Persecuted because of our faith from the beginning, yes. However, the term "tribulation" refers to End Times. While generic persecution against us is of the devil, tribulation is Judgment from God.

They might feel the same but their source is different.

Yes…
Men can commit atrocities against other men…men can threaten other men….
Some of those things are annoyances…but becomes a tribulation when one has the “power” (sneakily, or employer power or government power, body size power, etc.) to follow through on the act.

Whereas…God…supreme power…is an entirely different Source…and in the end of days as we know them….
(The DIVIDING and SEPARATING) those with and without the Lord God….YES…
By, through, of SPIRITUAL POWER God has already revealed IS authorized and shall commence.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[IronMaiden]

Can you identify…the TIME specific you are calling the “GREAT” Tribulation in relation to the Judgements/ Tribulations/ Wrath sent down from Heaven of the 7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 vials ?

The Great Tribulation refers to the period of time when Satan and his fallen angels are here on earth before the Second Coming of the King of kings.
Matthew 24:21-22 (KJV) 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Scott Downey]

North Korean troops, not very effective soldiers, prediction is many will be killed off.

I also read Russian soldiers said they were doing stupid things, like standing out in the open to be shot, and not taking cover during fire fights.
And required massive commander oversite and direction, large numbers of officers needed.

ISW predicts significant losses among North Korean soldiers fighting in Russia

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Thanks, but Gods creations and makings is/was not in dispute.

Glory to God,
Taken

You said, "Tribulations on this earth is men AGAINST men. Men whose Influence is directed by Satan… Still it IS man against man."

How does God's sovereignty fit into that scenario?

So the war of one nation or many nations against another is caused by man? Which implies man is totally responsible? It appears so on the surface.
Yet God sent every empire in the Old Testament to war against the Israelites, kill them, enslave them - to punish them.
God at this moment is gathering nations to war against Israel - for a purpose. Then Jesus will come and destroy those nations. You did not really know how to respond to Isaiah 45:7, so you brushed it aside as general knowledge. This is an example of God's sovereignty.
In Job, we see that Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's permission, even now. Chew on that for awhile. God influences man to do His will and allows Satan to do his as well.
Jesus told the Disciples that in 40 years, Rome would destroy Jerusalem down to the displacement of every stone in the Temple. So do you think the Romans/Titus caused that or God? Well on the surface, it appears man does it, influenced by Satan. But Satan was given permission to do it. Apply Isaiah 45:7 and God is punishing them for not believing in Christ. God replaced the Temple and made it obsolete. SonHe destroyed the Temple _ gaythered the Romans to do it. We became the New Temple of God starting at Pentecost. But that was a great tribulation for the Jews, don't you think? A million Jews were killed and displaced for almost 19 centuries then brought back.
Luke 21:24 describes their displacement. Jer.16:15 and Ezek.37:21 describes them being brought back.
Zech. 12:3 is happening right now.
Daniel 7:25; 8:23-24; 11:36; 12:1; Isaiah 1:28; and Isaiah 13:9-13 is about to happen soon.
Zech 14:2-4 foretells these times right now, starting with the gathering of Islamic nations against Israel (but not only them, all nations seem to be against them now)
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Coming soon ...
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

So, He gathers nations against Israel to punish them, converts and saves a remnant ( Rom. 11, Rev. 7 & 14), then destroys those nations for cooperating with Satan's influence.
It sounds conflicting doesn't it; but there it is, Isaiah 45:7 - all throughout history, the balance of good and evil was for our education, cooperation and ultimately for many, salvation.
And so now the world must take sides, to be for Jesus or against Him.
It was all in His plan, from the beginning to the end. Otherwise prophesy could not be fulfilled precisely as He claimed it would. The events in Rev. 6 are beginning to happen and from there, events to Rev.
22 will be fulfilled as foretold.

 

[amigo de christo]

Strengthening the Converts​

21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” 23 So when they had appointed elders in every church, and prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord in whom they had believed.

Why is that, well the world hates the true church, the whole world is under the sway (like a mind control) of the evil one.
So when allowed, the devil will do as much as he can.
And we know he is not good and does not do nice things.

why herein is a marvelous truth . Ye said THE WHOLE WORLD is under the sway of the evil one .
So
HOW is the ONLY way one can be set free from the powers of darkness , from satan .
read acts chapter twenty six and see what JESUS had told paul and paul was then TELLING King aggripa himself .
THEY MUST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
so , how can any other religion NOT ALSO BE UNDER THE POWER and INFLUENCE of SATAN . they are friend .
Interfaith LIES to all . They have NOT THE TRUTH , they are not set free they are servants of satan and know it not .
And what do we have in common with satan . what commnon ground can we find with satan .
exactly . The truth is we are being lied to by interfaith .
and as you seen many are now starting to beleive this lie . and even when you show them scrips
MANY still reject you and wont listen . Christendom has been infiltrated from within .
But JUST KEEP REMINDING and KEEP pointing all to CHRIST JESUS . we in a war for the souls of men .
AND ONLY ONE can save them . JESUS THE CHRIST who has saved us . march on my friend . march on in the LORD
for the hour grows late and in a day and an hour KNOWN TO NONE but TO GOD
the SON OF MAN COMETH . on that day and in that hour all outside WILL wail . all who were HIS
will forever be with HIM . That day , that hour , OH IT DO approach . SO allow me some parting words .
BE YE READY and BE WATCHING for ye know not the HOUR your LORD do come , could be at midnight , at the crowing of the rooster .
NO man knows . Be watching and be ready .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This did not answer the question.
First couple of years?…of HOW MANY YEARS?

Some say 7, I say 3 1/2.

I believe the “great tribulation” is Tribulations and Wrath SENT down from Heaven…

True, it is greatest time of distress and death.
There are many views and each one seems to cling to their particular scriptures that validate their view, but only one is true.
The "Two Witnesses" to the Jews in Rev.11 I think answers that mystery.
The ten nations who war against Israel ( as we can see Iran , Lebanon, Yemen, and more will join in, will eventually pentetrate the city, defeat them, hence the "Gentiles trample over the city for 42 months". Anyways, while this is happening, the Two Witnesses show up _ for that duration of time and witness to the Jews about Jesus. Here is the thing, if the Pre-Trib view is correct and we are taken out before this happens - why would God need two witnesses, when everyone would know what happenned to the Christians. Our story that we have been trying to tell everyone for generations would be confirmed. Thousands of books written about this event that actually happens and a dozen movies brings light to them. Everyone would realize their error at that time - don't you think?That is a flaw. There would be no need for witnesses, because when Jesus shows up, we are raptured and the world sees Him, AT THE END OF THAT 1260 DAYS. THEN the wrath comes. But hey, I could be wrong ... many views about this.

 

[Marvelloustime]

why herein is a marvelous truth . Ye said THE WHOLE WORLD is under the sway of the evil one .
So
HOW is the ONLY way one can be set free from the powers of darkness , from satan .
read acts chapter twenty six and see what JESUS had told paul and paul was then TELLING King aggripa himself .
THEY MUST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
so , how can any other religion NOT ALSO BE UNDER THE POWER and INFLUENCE of SATAN . they are friend .
Interfaith LIES to all . They have NOT THE TRUTH , they are not set free they are servants of satan and know it not .
And what do we have in common with satan . what commnon ground can we find with satan .
exactly . The truth is we are being lied to by interfaith .
and as you seen many are now starting to beleive this lie . and even when you show them scrips
MANY still reject you and wont listen . Christendom has been infiltrated from within .
But JUST KEEP REMINDING and KEEP pointing all to CHRIST JESUS . we in a war for the souls of men .
AND ONLY ONE can save them . JESUS THE CHRIST who has saved us . march on my friend . march on in the LORD
for the hour grows late and in a day and an hour KNOWN TO NONE but TO GOD
the SON OF MAN COMETH . on that day and in that hour all outside WILL wail . all who were HIS
will forever be with HIM . That day , that hour , OH IT DO approach . SO allow me some parting words .
BE YE READY and BE WATCHING for ye know not the HOUR your LORD do come , could be at midnight , at the crowing of the rooster .
NO man knows . Be watching and be ready .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

North Korean troops, not very effective soldiers, prediction is many will be killed off.

I also read Russian soldiers said they were doing stupid things, like standing out in the open to be shot, and not taking cover during fire fights.
And required massive commander oversite and direction, large numbers of officers needed.

ISW predicts significant losses among North Korean soldiers fighting in Russia

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

what if i told you that GOD has always been in control and what he allows he simply allows .
Do you realize that in the bible i have read about where very few overame the many in battle .
WHO do you think is in control of LIFE itself . Not a solider one dies , not a bird does fall
LEST GOD DETERMINES , TIMES UP .
WE got no idea what is going to occur .
OH i do understand your reasoning . YES there are countries who do not have the tech we do
But again , WHATEVER GOD has determined for whatever reason he allowed it . OH IT CANNOT BE STOPPED .
I am so convinced that GOD alone DETERMINES and has power over ALL LIFE . and baby i mean even of animals
of any man . THAT I would wager all i have and own
That unless a man has a WORD from GOD , WE REALLY DONT KNOW what is or can happen .
We can guess , we might be right , we might be wrong .
most every nation FELL butt and face first to NEBB . BUT WHY .
AND WHY DID THE JEWS FALL to his power and were destroyed .
YOU SEE I THINK that is the real question we needs to be asking .
WHY did GOD allow HIS own people TO pratically almost be wiped out
His own temple destroyed

WHY . anyone wanna answer that . AND WHEN ya do , TRY LOOKING at christendom
and see the greater and far greater evil the INTERFAITH OF SATAN . I SAID IT . SATAN of anti christ . IT IS
IS doing . AND GUESS WHO IT CAME FROM . MEN IN WOOL baby . GOD has been long suffering
BELIEVE YOUME , i personally know how long suffering he has been with me .
BUT THIS GEN of christendom alone HAS IN LARGE SOLD JESUS OUT . SATAN THE FATHER OF ALL LIES
by that which is of anti christ HAS BIRTHED INTERFAITH . DO WITH that warning as you will . JUST REMEMBER I WARNED US .

 

[amigo de christo]

You said, "Tribulations on this earth is men AGAINST men. Men whose Influence is directed by Satan… Still it IS man against man."

How does God's sovereignty fit into that scenario?

So the war of one nation or many nations against another is caused by man? Which implies man is totally responsible? It appears so on the surface.
Yet God sent every empire in the Old Testament to war against the Israelites, kill them, enslave them - to punish them.
God at this moment is gathering nations to war against Israel - for a purpose. Then Jesus will come and destroy those nations. You did not really know how to respond to Isaiah 45:7, so you brushed it aside as general knowledge. This is an example of God's sovereignty.
In Job, we see that Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's permission, even now. Chew on that for awhile. God influences man to do His will and allows Satan to do his as well.
Jesus told the Disciples that in 40 years, Rome would destroy Jerusalem down to the displacement of every stone in the Temple. So do you think the Romans/Titus caused that or God? Well on the surface, it appears man does it, influenced by Satan. But Satan was given permission to do it. Apply Isaiah 45:7 and God is punishing them for not believing in Christ. God replaced the Temple and made it obsolete. SonHe destroyed the Temple _ gaythered the Romans to do it. We became the New Temple of God starting at Pentecost. But that was a great tribulation for the Jews, don't you think? A million Jews were killed and displaced for almost 19 centuries then brought back.
Luke 21:24 describes their displacement. Jer.16:15 and Ezek.37:21 describes them being brought back.
Zech. 12:3 is happening right now.
Daniel 7:25; 8:23-24; 11:36; 12:1; Isaiah 1:28; and Isaiah 13:9-13 is about to happen soon.
Zech 14:2-4 foretells these times right now, starting with the gathering of Islamic nations against Israel (but not only them, all nations seem to be against them now)
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Coming soon ...
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

So, He gathers nations against Israel to punish them, converts and saves a remnant ( Rom. 11, Rev. 7 & 14), then destroys those nations for cooperating with Satan's influence.
It sounds conflicting doesn't it; but there it is, Isaiah 45:7 - all throughout history, the balance of good and evil was for our education, cooperation and ultimately for many, salvation.
And so now the world must take sides, to be for Jesus or against Him.
It was all in His plan, from the beginning to the end. Otherwise prophesy could not be fulfilled precisely as He claimed it would. The events in Rev. 6 are beginning to happen and from there, events to Rev.
22 will be fulfilled as foretold.

Yes but dont forget something . The great tribulation of the beast , which is allowed of GOD ,
cometh against who . THE SAINTS . dont forget govts and men put paul and scores of others to death .
DO YOU THINK for one second that the reason paul , peter , james and scores of so many christains
who have been put to death by satan and has men , WERE UNDER THE WRATH OF GOD . THINK again bud .
THIS IS WHY . JUDGMENT cometh against the house of GOD FIRST , but oh dear miss molly
IF the righteous scarcly be saved , WHAT ON EARTH will the dry tree do .
My advice , BETTER BE READY to DIE FOR JESUS . This world and much of christendom that i personally know
CANNOT stand me . But i know words are but words . I KNOW what is coming .
UNDER satan and his whores love child , KNOWN as interfaith , EVERYTHING not in the lambs book is gonna join as one
and believe the LIE and , IT WONT be just words against men like me . OH and well . yeah i said it , OH WELL .
I wont take a day off from warning against the lie and though it causes more and more of christendom and the world
to hate me more so , NOT a one of you can stop me . ONLY when GOD has decided my time is up shall it be up.
LIVING FOR CHRIST has been the only joy and peace i ever had . though that has caused me much hatred by even those
i love . You , not one person , not the pope , not the united religoins , can no man STOP MY MOUTH
You all must decided who ye shall serve . My prayers are for you , BUT KNOW THIS , GOD is my GOD , CHRIST my CHRIST
and the BIBLE My book . AND I WONT STRAY from the truth . WHY , its not cause i am strong
ITS CAUSE THE LORD has me . I TRUST IN HIM . HE will be with me as HE is with every lamb . WE GOT ALL WE NEED
IN HIM . TIME we return to the bible to learn for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Some say 7, I say 3 1/2.

True, it is greatest time of distress and death.
There are many views and each one seems to cling to their particular scriptures that validate their view, but only one is true.
The "Two Witnesses" to the Jews in Rev.11 I think answers that mystery.
The ten nations who war against Israel ( as we can see Iran , Lebanon, Yemen, and more will join in, will eventually pentetrate the city, defeat them, hence the "Gentiles trample over the city for 42 months". Anyways, while this is happening, the Two Witnesses show up _ for that duration of time and witness to the Jews about Jesus. Here is the thing, if the Pre-Trib view is correct and we are taken out before this happens - why would God need two witnesses, when everyone would know what happenned to the Christians. Our story that we have been trying to tell everyone for generations would be confirmed. Thousands of books written about this event that actually happens and a dozen movies brings light to them. Everyone would realize their error at that time - don't you think?That is a flaw. There would be no need for witnesses, because when Jesus shows up, we are raptured and the world sees Him, AT THE END OF THAT 1260 DAYS. THEN the wrath comes. But hey, I could be wrong ... many views about this.

Rather odd i seem to notice something in revelation . the wrath of the beast coming against the saints .
YET the wrath of GOD cometh against THE BEAST and all who took its mark and loved a lie .
I would not get too cozy in mens doctrines my friend .
Those who act as though we wont see blood and sufferings . YA better watch out .
JESUS warned HIS own they would . paul and others warned the church of tribulations
but men seem to warn AGAINST those who remind the church and rather do all to tell their people
NO WORRIES , we wont have to endure , That is only for those who follow satan .
We bins duped . and now many embrace interfaith . WHICH , if ya dont mind me saying , IS OF SATAN is of ANTI CHRIST ,
thanks for allowing that reminder , LOL . MANY selling out friend . many . This lamb
with the and by the grace of GOD shall warn as i must no matter the cost to me for doing so .