How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[ewq1938]

I perceive that they saw the preincarnate Christ, God the Son, and not God the Father Himself.

Yet the Lord of hosts is the Father, compared to Jesus who is the Lord King of Israel with the Lord of hosts being his redeemer.

Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

The problem is the bible doesn't say no one has seen with their eyes the Father. It says no one has fully known Him. Reading an English translation will not help in this matter. One has to study the original language and read what scholars have to say on it.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


This phrase is a figure of speech that simply means no one has fully understood or known God except Jesus and that's because Jesus is God's son.


Clarke:


It is likely that the word seen, here, is put for known, as in Joh_3:32; 1Jo_3:2, 1Jo_3:6, and 3Jo_1:11; and this sense the latter clause of the verse seems to require: - No man, how highly soever favored, hath fully known God, at any time, in any nation or age; the only begotten Son

 

[ewq1938]

When will all professing Christians realize that the "Composite Sea Beast" in Rev. 13:1-3 is NOT about RELIGION!!

That's not what the bible says.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[ewq1938]

No.

The "mark of the beast" on the right hand is the habit of stealing, for example, bank usury, prohibited by the Law of Moses and even more prohibited for Christians, as well as the surplus value that the rich take from hired workers:

Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (James 5:4)

"The mark of the beast" on the forehead is received by those who lie, for the devil is the father (head) of lies.

The name of the beast is given in the Bible itself:

εὑπορία = (5 + 400 + 80 + 70 + 100 + 10 + 1) = 666

For a certain [man] named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
(Acts 19:24,25)

Name of the Beast: “Wealth” (KJV) or “Prosperity” (NASB). A hint pointing to this name:

If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. (1 Corinthians 15:32)

This verse refers us to the "beasts" who are the people, the makers of idols, the incident with which is described in the 19th chapter of Acts of the Apostles.

"The Number of the Beast" is a passport, ID, tax number, cadastral number - any identification of a person or organization in the state.

The beast from the sea is thousands of years old. This beast has 7 heads - 7 empires that enslaved the Jews: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA:

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Revelation 17:10)

Now, as the confirmed false prophet Brandon Biggs predicted, the 7th head of the "beast", the USA, will receive a mortal wound in the form of the Great Crisis. But through the prayers of carnal believers, this "wound" will be healed, and then everyone will begin to build the world system of the "beast", the Kingdom of Prosperity, where benefits are given automatically, regardless of God.

Of course, the "beast from the sea" is not religion. It is the current descendants of religious ancestors who have merged into one whole in the current civilization, the whole purpose of which is Prosperity without God.

Is the USA the 7th head?

 

[ewq1938]

2nd beast, like a bear, is Islam. "Meat" is flesh, a lot of carnal ritual, five-time daily prayers. Islam has 3 "horns" in its mouth, which it tore from the back of the 4th beast.

That's not what Daniel wrote. He said it had 3 ribs, not horns. Completely different words. Daniel also did not say the 3 ribs came from the 4th beast. It's ridiculous to even claim that but all of it is fictional since nothing you said comes from the bible. This is classic Eisegesis.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Which 2 beast?

The dragon is just a different view of the beast out of the sea. The dragon and the sea beast are not literal, but symbolic of Satan and the 6 kingdoms from Babylon until the Second Coming.

Satan is the only beast that comes in and out of the pit, as that pit is Satan's home, like heaven is Jesus' home.

The image brought to life is also a beast in the book of Revelation.

The image and Satan are two individuals in Revelation 13 referred to as beast, but are not symbolic.

The false prophet is called the mouth, or spokesman of the sea beast, a human and not a beast.

Many posters want to claim some elaborate interpretation of how a human antichrist comes out of the grave or was healed after being dead. None of that is what John wrote. Some want to claim Rome is the beast that has always been. John never even talks about Rome. Some say the whole book is code about Rome. No, because the book is about the the Second Coming from chapters 4 and on. Rome was not even in the list of churches, that needed attention, and who the book was sent to. If Rome was part of the book, then it should have been one of the 7 churches, but Rome was not in the list. Certainly there was a church in Rome. There was a church in Corinth. There was a church in Thessalonica. There was a church in Alexandria. There were many churches throughout the Roman empire, but only the 7 listed made it into the book of Revelation, and they received a letter containing the text, which was then copied from that point on and sent many other places.

Revelation was not about the first century church troubles, other than those specifically mentioned in chapters 2 and 3. Revelation was about the Second Coming, the Day of the Lord, and a brand new creation to come after this creation no longer existed. Events pertaining to the end of Adam's punishment of sin and death.

It has been over 1900 years and we have no clue or a general consensus that any of Revelation, starting in chapter 4 has even taken place. We probably will figure things out when either 2 billion people are killed in a few short days or weeks, or the Second Coming has happened.

No one can post for certainty that we have already lived through Seals, Trumpets, and vials and have reached the end of those judgments. That is not how John wrote down the order of the events. Some refer to that as parallel views. None of these events pertained to events starting in the first century.

The events that John talked about involved seeing a time when Satan could come and go from an open pit, which was literally opened at the 5th Trumpet.

Nah. Satan is in the abyss while the sea beast and earth beast [false prophet] are in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Galgal]

That's not what Daniel wrote. He said it had 3 ribs, not horns. Completely different words. Daniel also did not say the 3 ribs came from the 4th beast. It's ridiculous to even claim that but all of it is fictional since nothing you said comes from the bible. This is classic Eisegesis.

When they stuck out of the back of the 4th beast, they looked like horns. And when they were torn out of the back with the meat, they looked like ribs. Islam removed the theses of monotheism from the Christianity of the Antichrist, and this became its strong point.

 

[ewq1938]

When they stuck out of the back of the 4th beast, they looked like horns.

That's not how ribs work plus that doesn't come from the bible.

 

[Galgal]

Is the USA the 7th head?

This is absolutely true. All US presidents are antichrists by definition, because (1) they call themselves Christians, (2) they build the kingdom of this world instead of the Kingdom of Heaven, and serve the "beast from the sea."

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (1 John 2:19)

In Revelation 13, the Antichrist is shown as the "image of the beast." This is the opposite of Jesus Christ, who was called the "image of God":

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (Colossians 1:15)

 

[Galgal]

That's not how ribs work plus that doesn't come from the bible.

You cannot reduce the Bible to the formal rules you set for the God who inspired the writers of Scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

You cannot reduce the Bible to the formal rules you set for the God who inspired the writers of Scripture.

That isn't the issue. The issue is you claiming things about the bible that never appear anywhere in the bible.

You changed horns to ribs and said the 2nd beast took three ribs from the back of the 4th beast. None of that is true.

 

[ewq1938]

This is absolutely true.

So you agree with a false prophet? Why?

Now, as the confirmed false prophet Brandon Biggs predicted, the 7th head of the "beast", the USA, will receive a mortal wound in the form of the Great Crisis.

The 7 heads of the beast are not identified, and only one of them is ever singled out because it was wounded and healed but never is it identified as which of the 7 it was.

The 7 heads are areas of land where countries are but it is not likely that the USA would be thought of as one head itself especially with Canada and Mexico a part of the same land mass.

You are likely confused thinking the heads are consecutive when in the bible they all exist at the same time as part of the Rev 13 beast.

 

[Galgal]

That isn't the issue. The issue is you claiming things about the bible that never appear anywhere in the bible.

You changed horns to ribs and said the 2nd beast took three ribs from the back of the 4th beast. None of that is true.

When Christianity in the 4th century went to bed with the Caesars, it committed adultery against God. Instead of God, Christianity gave place to the Antichrist: Caesar, king or president. Accordingly, the first 3 commandments out of 10, concerning the issue of monotheism, were lost by Christianity, and the "little horn" appeared - Caesar or false Jesus, who abolished the biblical holidays and abolished the law. And Islam, on the contrary, took the idea of monotheism into itself - and began to overcome Christians who sold out to the Antichrist.

 

[ewq1938]

When Christianity in the 4th century went to bed with the Caesars, it committed adultery against God. Instead of God, Christianity gave place to the Antichrist: Caesar, king or president. Accordingly, the first 3 commandments out of 10, concerning the issue of monotheism, were lost by Christianity, and the "little horn" appeared - Caesar or false Jesus, who abolished the biblical holidays and abolished the law. And Islam, on the contrary, took the idea of monotheism into itself - and began to overcome Christians who sold out to the Antichrist.

Red herring fallacy

The attempt to redirect the subject of discussion to a different subject not being discussed and not related to the original discussion. The red herring fallacy is an intentional diversion with the objective of avoiding the original subject.

 

[Galgal]

So you agree with a false prophet? Why?

Because he played such a trump card that no one else in my memory has played: he accurately predicted 4 months in advance that there would be an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, predicted that the bullet would damage Trump's right ear, and that Trump would fall to his knees immediately after. And that's exactly what happened. The second part of that prediction also came true: Trump was elected president for the second time. Now the third and fourth predictions are left to come true: the Great Crisis in the USA, and an amazing healing, an economic miracle. With all this, Brandon Biggs preaches ANOTHER Jesus Christ, and this is obvious to me, because I watched his other speeches on YouTube. Their glory is in their shame, they think about earthly things. This is the leader of carnal Christianity, "Esau", who sold himself to the Caesars in the 4th century, the great harlot, and the spirit that will work miracles there in the name of Jesus is the spirit of false prophets.

The 7 heads of the beast are not identified, and only one of them is ever singled out because it was wounded and healed but never is it identified as which of the 7 it was.

The 7 heads are areas of land where countries are but it is not likely that the USA would be thought of as one head itself especially with Canada and Mexico a part of the same land mass.

You are likely confused thinking the heads are consecutive when in the bible they all exist at the same time as part of the Rev 13 beast.

God's past, present and future are simultaneous, God is outside of human time. "The beast" is the entire civilization, based on the uncontrolled absorption of forbidden fruits from the tree of knowledge.

The name of the "beast from the sea" is given in the Bible, you can "count" its name using the numerical values of the letters of the ancient alphabet, as they did in ancient times:

εὑπορία = (5 + 400 + 80 + 70 + 100 + 10 + 1) = 666 (Acts 19:25 - "Wealth" in KJV, "Prosperity" in NASB)

The name expresses the essence of the creature. The essence of the current Civilization is the desire for Wealth, the desire for Prosperity.
The name of the "beast from the earth" is also given in the Bible:

παράδοσις = (80 + 1 + 100 + 1 + 4 + 70 + 200 + 10 + 200) = 666 (Matthew 15:2 - "Tradition")

In the New Testament there are only these two words, the meanings of which are 666. These words are the names of two beasts - the beast from the sea and the beast from the earth.

This second "beast" is the servant of the first beast, this is the entire corrupt religion, all three confessions, which since the 4th century have been building the kingdom of this world, submitting to the Caesars and presidents.

 

[Earburner]

That's not what the bible says.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

When one worships God, God sets the requirements for how one can be compliant to His will.
John 4[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The evidence of "worship" is the willingness of one to be compliant to the will of one who is desiring worship.
Compliance is worship, worship is compliance.
Edit: in Rev. 13:4 there are two groups of people.
1. Those that DO literally worship the dragon, aka Lucifer/Satan, by complying with the Luciferian Doctrine.
2. Those who shall worship (comply with) the beast, of which satan is now empowering and building to be a Global Economic Empire, for ALL buying and selling.

 

[Earburner]

Nah. Satan is in the abyss while the sea beast and earth beast [false prophet] are in the Lake of Fire.

That all sounds religiously typical of religion.
The "abyss" is nothing more than this earth and atmosphere (air) right now as satan's prison, in "chains of darkness", and then the final place of his endless death.
Aka, the bottomless (endless) pit (grave/death).

 

[Earburner]

Yet the Lord of hosts is the Father, compared to Jesus who is the Lord King of Israel with the Lord of hosts being his redeemer.

Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

The problem is the bible doesn't say no one has seen with their eyes the Father. It says no one has fully known Him. Reading an English translation will not help in this matter. One has to study the original language and read what scholars have to say on it.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


This phrase is a figure of speech that simply means no one has fully understood or known God except Jesus and that's because Jesus is God's son.


Clarke:


It is likely that the word seen, here, is put for known, as in Joh_3:32; 1Jo_3:2, 1Jo_3:6, and 3Jo_1:11; and this sense the latter clause of the verse seems to require: - No man, how highly soever favored, hath fully known God, at any time, in any nation or age; the only begotten Son

Yes, I do hear what the scholars imply. However, we who are sinful cannot look upon God's face and live, unless we see Him through the face of God the Son, who is One with and in the Father.
Exo. 33:17-23
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see [H7200 set gaze; look on; take sight] my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

And for this reason, the sacrifice of Christ's innocent blood was required for both man and God as well, otherwise the Father would never have been able to dwell within us. And in that, He can only do so, by us having faith in Jesus. John 14:23.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[Timtofly]

Nah. Satan is in the abyss while the sea beast and earth beast [false prophet] are in the Lake of Fire.

That did not answer the question.

The sea beast is the vast majority of humanity.


Not all are alive at the Second Coming. Millions of humans were once part of the sea beast, but have been born again, and spiritually redeemed.

 

[Stumpmaster]

The sea beast is the vast majority of humanity.

So NOT Satan . . .

 

[Timtofly]

So NOT Satan . . .

Satan has had influence, but Satan has not been a king over every nation. Satan has given his power to the sea beast, and will heal the 6th head. But this beast is not symbolic of a single individual, but human government for the last 2500 years, since Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar was the initial head.

Satan is the beast that speaks as a dragon.