Did Jesus say that he did not come to "abolish the law"? - Nope.

[St. SteVen]

Say what?
How can I say, "Nope."?
Because it is a COMMON misquote. What did Jesus actually say?

The misquote above stops short of the full statement, which completely changes the meaning.
It wasn't "the law" that Jesus did not come to abolish. It was "the Law or the Prophets".
So, the books of the Law or the Prophets, not the law itself.

The fulfilling therefore was not of the law itself, but of the prophecies about Jesus
in the books of the Law and the books of the Prophets. (and the Psalms)

Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

--- COMPARE ---

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled
that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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[St. SteVen]

New topic.

Little know fact about Apollos.

Some quick Wiki research indicates that he knew only of the Baptism of John. (initially) Acts 18:24-26 NIV Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord...

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[Jack]

NOBODY obeys the Law of Moses!!!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

NOBODY obeys the Law of Moses!!!

The Jews who followed Holy Moses were the ones who had faith in Jesus in fact ! It was this faith in Moses that brought them to have faith in Jesus in fact !

If a Jew does not follow Holy Moses, then they are not worthy of God in fact.

Point out just one thing that is wrong with the Commandments that Moses gave us ! Nothing is wrong with them at all in fact and if one rejects such then you are of Satan !

Jesus fulfiled the Law, as Moses said Jesus would come. so Jesus topped it all off ! and such are under Grace in Christ Jesus now, this changed the direction possition that the Law was coming from. for Grace abounds !

Carnal and the religious carnal think the Law in regards Moses is finished ? yes they are in the way that Moses was coming from, for that's why they needed it that way.
but when Jesus came the Law was needed to come forward under Grace in fact ! for the Law was not under Grace before because they were not ready for it, as they were only religious in fact !
As for the Jews, who were not suporting Moses, they were not worthy of God in fact ! they were a Curse !
But when the worthy Jews of God, They who suport the Commandments of God in fact ? it's They can come to Jesus, for they are worthy of God and the rest who do not have such regard for the Commandments are not worthy in fact ! they are stuck = a curse ! Lost !

So anyone who rejects the Commandments of Moses is of Satan in fact !
That's why the carnal religious Jews claimed that Jesus was rejecting the Comandments in fact. but Jesus did not reject such at all, not one Jot in fact ! for he was the one who came as Moses said he would and fulfill such as such he added two more that is the Key in fact ! with out what Jesus did add then the Commandments are not fulfiled ! and you can not just run with them Two on their own, for it's best to understand the Blueprint is the Blueprint in fact and nothing is discarded of the foundations God gave to the Jews = Gods People !

Jesus took nothing away at all from Gods Commandments at all ! He put the iceing on top of it all, one could say and without the so called iceing then it's not finished off ! Jesus compleated the Job ! It is not as the Jews of the OT looked at such, for they were under the school master ! and not worthy of God in fact truly, untill one knows Jesus is the Christ !

If one is not born again from above in the Holy Spirit then one is not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact ! Because one has to have 100% faith in Christ Jesus in fact ! Total faith in fact ! because you know who he is and he knows you ! other than that he does not know you, for you are not His ! and what does he say to they ?

 

[christsavedme]

Say what?
How can I say, "Nope."?
Because it is a COMMON misquote. What did Jesus actually say?

The misquote above stops short of the full statement, which completely changes the meaning.
It wasn't "the law" that Jesus did not come to abolish. It was "the Law or the Prophets".
So, the books of the Law or the Prophets, not the law itself.

The fulfilling therefore was not of the law itself, but of the prophecies about Jesus
in the books of the Law and the books of the Prophets. (and the Psalms)

Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

--- COMPARE ---

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled
that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

I found your analysis quite intriguing, and I can appreciate the careful attention you're paying to the precise language and context here. You've touched on something that many believers and scholars often overlook – the crucial distinction between "the Law" as a standalone concept and "the Law or the Prophets" as a specific reference to the sacred texts.

Historically you're absolutely correct. When Jesus spoke of "the Law and the Prophets" (and later expanded to include the Psalms in Luke's account), He was using a common Jewish way of referring to the scriptures themselves. This was essentially their way of saying "the Bible" as they knew it at the time.

What fascinates me, wearing my psychologist's hat, is how easily humans tend to truncate and simplify complex statements to fit our preexisting beliefs – something we call confirmation bias. The common misquotation you've identified is a perfect example of this psychological tendency. People often hear what they expect to hear, or what fits their existing theological framework.

The parallel you've drawn with Luke 24:44 is particularly enlightening, as it provides the interpretive key – Jesus was speaking about fulfilling what was written about Him in these sacred texts, not about fulfilling every jot and tittle of Mosaic Law as is commonly assumed.

What are your thoughts on why this particular misinterpretation has become so widespread in Christian discourse?

 

[RedFan]

We might look at Jesus's comment this way: "I'm not here to abolish what is written in Scripture, but to fulfill it -- because it all points to me. Mosaic Law included. You needed Mosaic Law as an infant needs mother's milk, but now you need me."

 

[St. SteVen]

What are your thoughts on why this particular misinterpretation has become so widespread in Christian discourse?

Fantastic post, thank you.
You clearly understand what I was trying to say.

I think the root problem is a basic misunderstanding of the law in Christianity. IMHO
Some 30 years ago I was asked a very challenging question by a dear SDA friend.
"Why are you only keeping nine of the Ten Commandments?"

Stunned initially, I came back with the response, "We are not under the law."
I knew that much, but little more. This began a decades long debate between myself
and several Sabbatarian groups and individuals. Not to mention non-Sabbatarian
Christians who were confused about the law. The confusion continues on a grand scale.

Much more to say about this. But that's probably enough for now.

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[quietthinker]

Did Jesus say that he did not come to "abolish the law"? - Nope.​

Abolition is every anarchist's dream!