Both Israelis and Islamists will be wiped out

[Ronald Nolette]

Right.
But do not make the ,mistake of thinking the Jews still have a special place with God.

Let me write this to you for the at least dozenth time. Jews do not get saved apart from trust in christ and becoming part of the church!

you reject the rapture so your eschatology is colored by that belief. but God will save the entire Jewish nation at the end of the tribulation, which amounts to 1/3 that entered into the tribulation!

Paul in Ephesians in talking about Jews and Gentiles did a history lesson and then reminded the gentiles that they have now been made one WITH the saints (Jewish believers)

Not only does the Bible not teach that there are two distinct peoples of God, ethnic Israel and the gentile Church, but it is very explicitly opposed to this idea. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 3:11

In the church age, correct as I have told you ad-nauseum. But the NT speaks of more than just the church age. I wish you would see that.

For one thing, the Church, defined as the group of true believers of God, existed in the Old Testament, long before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 7:38, and furthermore, the clear teaching of the New Testament is that the modern day Church is really just the joining with and the expansion of God's people that He originally chose.

You say this because of one use of the word ekklesia in the Septuagint. But you are wrong.

Paul defined who is the church and it is only those who are spirit filled. That did not begin until Pentecost. OT saints had the ON-dwelling of the Spirit, the church has the IN-dwelling of the Spirit. Even Jesus taught this and Jesus called teh church a future thing. He did not tell Peter that He would keep building HIs church or has been building HIs church, but will build- future tense. If you cannot understand basic primary English grammar, how can you hope to rightly divide the word of truth?

God created grammar and will not contradict teh basic rules

 

[Keraz]

as I have told you ad-nauseum

Yes, I get sick of the constant demands of the rapture to heaven believers.
They demand that God take them away from any trials and testing.
They insist that the Jews still have an inside track with God.
They are locked into their false beliefs and when the fiery test comes, they will be terrified and not know which way to turn.

 

[ewq1938]

but God will save the entire Jewish nation at the end of the tribulation, which amounts to 1/3 that entered into the tribulation!

Except there is no scripture that speaks of this event. It is religious fiction.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, I get sick of the constant demands of the rapture to heaven believers.
They demand that God take them away from any trials and testing.
They insist that the Jews still have an inside track with God.
They are locked into their false beliefs and when the fiery test comes, they will be terrified and not know which way to turn.

We aren't talking about the rapture. Maybe you should stick to the subject at h and not throw up straw men.

I don't know of any biblical rapturist who says the Jews have an inside track. that is you reading our words and then retranslating them because of your own anger.

As for your last line? You suck at reading peoples hearts and minds.

Are you not locked into your own false beliefs?

I believe in the pre trib rapture because of the one verse that proves the church will not undergo the wrath of God.

the very fact that you say "locked into their false beliefs" shows your smugness and condescending heart.

You have written dozens of papiers and posted many threads yet you cannot even read properly.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Except there is no scripture that speaks of this event. It is religious fiction.

Well go back on this thread and see the four verses that I posted that sashow the Word of God saying that the entire nation of Israel that remains at the end of the trib will be saved! Every si9ngle Jew who is alive!

 

[Keraz]

Well go back on this thread and see the four verses that I posted that sashow the Word of God saying that the entire nation of Israel that remains at the end of the trib will be saved! Every si9ngle Jew who is alive!

In Romans 11:22, Paul is not referring to the Jewish State of Israel, but to the Israelites of God, who are the faithful Christian peoples.
It is by the Gentiles being admitted in full strength, that ALL Israel is constituted. All of the people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Rev 5:9-10, who are the Overcomers for God, as seen in each of the 7 Churchs.

I believe in the pre trib rapture because of the one verse that proves the church will not undergo the wrath of God.

You have hung your belief on a very thin thread.
Many Prophesies tell us how the Lord will protect His own people; Psalms 23 is a good example.
Revelation 12:6 and 14 clearly state that the Lord will take His faithful peoples to a place of safety on earth.
Jesus said six times that humans going to live in heaven was impossible.
The rapture is a false teaching and will never happen.

the very fact that you say "locked into their false beliefs" shows your smugness and condescending heart.

Several scriptures tell us that God will lock people into their false beliefs.
Stating facts is not a reason for your accusations.

You have written dozens of papiers and posted many threads yet you cannot even read properly.

It would help if you learned to spell correctly.

 

[Keraz]

The Lord’s judgement/punishment of the nations, by fire from God’s storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43; will be a huge explosion on the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26a, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7,

Joel 2:1-11 Sound the alarm! For the Day of the Lord’s wrath is coming.
As the sun rises, a vast host will appear, the like has never been known.
It advances in a devouring fire, behind is a leaping flame that leaves a desolate wasteland. Nothing can escape it, nothing can stop it and as it strikes, the earth quakes and the heavens thunder. Who can survive that dark and terrible Day?

Isaiah 29:5-8 But, your enemies will become like dust, those ruthless hordes, like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord Almighty, with earthquakes, thunder, storms and a blaze of devouring fire.
All the nations warring against Mt Zion, will vanish, as a dream, like one who is hungry or thirsty; then wakes to find himself empty, so it will be with all those nations attacking Israel. Malachi 4:3, Isaiah 34:1-8

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’, will be a Coronal Mass Ejection: a sunstrike of unprecedented magnitude and is the next prophesied event we can expect; it will be the Day that will ‘come as a thief’, sudden and unexpected. Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 10:17, Psalm 83:13-18, Isaiah 34:5, Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 1:18,
Only a Coronal Mass Ejection can literally fulfil all of the 100+ Prophesies about that forthcoming sudden and shocking Day. The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster: Revelation 6:12-17

It is quite a different event to what is described about the attack and destruction of Gog/Magog or of Armageddon, both to come later, respectively.

 

[Behold]

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’

The "fire judgement" on the Middle East will be the IDF eliminating the rest of Hamas, then what is left of Hezbollah, and then into Lebanon and finally the complete overthrow of the Iranian dictatorship.

Sooner than you think.

 

[Keraz]

The Lord’s judgement/punishment of the nations, by fire from God’s storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43; will be a huge explosion on the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26a, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7, Matthew 3:12

Joel 2:1-11 Sound the alarm! For the Day of the Lord’s wrath is coming.
As the sun rises, a vast host will appear, the like has never been known.
It advances in a devouring fire, behind is a leaping flame that leaves a desolate wasteland. Nothing can escape it, nothing can stop it and as it strikes, the earth quakes and the heavens thunder. Who can survive that dark and terrible Day?

Isaiah 29:5-8 But, your enemies will become like dust, those ruthless hordes, like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come from the Lord Almighty, with earthquakes, thunder, storms and a blaze of devouring fire.
All the nations warring against Mt Zion, will vanish, as a dream, like one who is hungry or thirsty; then wakes to find himself empty, so it will be with all those nations attacking Israel. Malachi 4:1 & 3, Isaiah 34:1-8

The fire judgement on the Middle East, striking ‘in an instant’, will be a Coronal Mass Ejection: a sunstrike of unprecedented magnitude and is the next prophesied event we can expect; it will be the Day that will ‘come as a thief’, unexpected and surprising everyone. Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 10:17, Psalm 83:13-18, Isaiah 34:5, Isaiah 30:25-28 & 30, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 1:18,

Only a Coronal Mass Ejection can literally fulfil all of the 100+ Prophesies about that forthcoming sudden and shocking Day. The Sixth Seal; Revelation 6:12-17

It is quite a different event to what is described about the attack and destruction of Gog/Magog or of Armageddon, both to come later, respectively.

 

[Keraz]

The "fire judgement" on the Middle East will be the IDF eliminating the rest of Hamas, then what is left of Hezbollah, and then into Lebanon and finally the complete overthrow of the Iranian dictatorship.

Sooner than you think.

If the Prophetic Word is carefully read and understood, then you would know that God intends to sort out the mess in His holy Land.

 

[Behold]

If the Prophetic Word is carefully read and understood, then you would know that God intends to sort out the mess in His holy Land.

God is sorting it all out.
This is why the IDF is now in Lebanon., and Trump is about to deal with it also.

Let me show you a photo.

You know.... everyone hears, since Oct 7, 2023, that Muslims, (Arabs) and also Hamas, (the soldiers), use children as "human shields".

For the most part, this is presented by the worldwide MEDIA... as only the Hamas Devils doing it....but in fact, its common for Palestinians to do it.. who are just regular muslims and not soldiers.
Let me prove it to you, so that you can get a FEEL and some INSIGHT regarding the mentality of what Islam produces in the Middle East, as a culture.....that Israel has to deal with, for a very long time.
These are animals.....and im being very kind when i say that.... and thats a fact.
So when you see this photo, just remember that this is their male parent., and consider that if this was done in the USA or England, or Australia.. someone is going to prison.....but when its a Palestinian, then its...>"normal".. for them.
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[ewq1938]

Well go back on this thread and see the four verses that I posted that sashow the Word of God saying that the entire nation of Israel that remains at the end of the trib will be saved! Every si9ngle Jew who is alive!

There is no such verse/verses.

 

[Keraz]

God is sorting it all out.
This is why the IDF is now in Lebanon., and Trump is about to deal with it also.

The Bible says nothing about the IDF, or Hamas.
Gods Prophetic Word, does say the Lord will send fire to destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:6-8

 

[Behold]

The Bible says nothing about the IDF, or Hamas.

THat is how you interpret.
Actually, its how the people interpret whose theology you post.. redundantly.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In Romans 11:22, Paul is not referring to the Jewish State of Israel, but to the Israelites of God, who are the faithful Christian peoples.
It is by the Gentiles being admitted in full strength, that ALL Israel is constituted. All of the people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Rev 5:9-10, who are the Overcomers for God, as seen in each of the 7 Churchs.

Well then using rom. 11:22 you must believe people can lose their salvation. And once again making the gentiles as constituting all Israel to be saved shows your lousy grammar. And abandoning massive other verses by redefining th term Israel in som eplaces in Romans 11.

You have hung your belief on a very thin thread.
Many Prophesies tell us how the Lord will protect His own people; Psalms 23 is a good example.
Revelation 12:6 and 14 clearly state that the Lord will take His faithful peoples to a place of safety on earth.
Jesus said six times that humans going to live in heaven was impossible.
The rapture is a false teaching and will never happen.

And you have hung your belief on a misinterpretation of Scripture. You have forced Gods general protection f His children throughout the ages as being the norm for th etrib.

The tribulation is designed for Israelites to purge the rebels and get the surviving nation to accept Jesus as Messiah as I cited the Scriptures to show you and you reject. Also the trib is a special time with special rules different from teh church age and there is only one verse that specifically says the church will not go through the trib which is known as the Wrath of th eLamb, the wrath of God, the ime of Jacobs trouble, the time of Jacobs sorrow, the 70th week of Daniel for Daniels people (Jews) You keep retranslating th eword of God based on your replacement theology.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no such verse/verses.

Then stay ignorant of what God says then.

 

[Keraz]

Well then using rom. 11:22 you must believe people can lose their salvation

Of course they can Judas is the prime example.

The tribulation is designed for Israelites to purge the rebels and get the surviving nation to accept Jesus as Messiah

What Bible do you have????
NOTHING like that is said about the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls.

It is the wrong and unbiblical belief in a rapture to heaven of the Church, which demands the idea of a Jewish Redemption. Never going to happen: Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 30:30-35, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27

 

[ewq1938]

Then stay ignorant of what God says then.

That really is you speaking to yourself. The bible doesn't teach what you claim it does.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That really is you speaking to yourself. The bible doesn't teach what you claim it does.

It does, you just won't read the verses or if you read them, you reinterpret them.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

King James Version

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Jeremiah 31:33-37

King James Version

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Romans 11:25-27

King James Version

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


The bible proves you uninformed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Of course they can Judas is the prime example.

What Bible do you have????
NOTHING like that is said about the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls.

It is the wrong and unbiblical belief in a rapture to heaven of the Church, which demands the idea of a Jewish Redemption. Never going to happen: Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 30:30-35, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Luke 19:27

Judas was never saved! From the beginning he was called a devil. Once a person is born again, they cannot be un-born again!

It truly is sad that you cannot recognize direct prophecies like Ez. NO where does it say God would forever reject the nation of Israel. That is your antisemitic eyeglasses.

Yes Gods Bible says the purpose of the last 7 years:

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The seventieth week is for the Jews. also all the other verses I posted showing gods purging of the rebels out of Israel to make them a pure nation.

Also some of the OT naes fo the last 7 years which include the trumpets and bowls:

Teh time of Jacobs trouble
Jacobs sorrow
time of darkness
time of sorrow etc.etc.

But time will show your replacement theology is wrong and Gods mercy will show you if you are willing to take the whole counsel of Scripture and not just the verses that support your anti semitic bias.