Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[face2face]

1. I didn't "ask" anything. I quoted your own Christian history.
2. The Church came "into being" in NT times (Matthew 16:18, 18:17 1 Timothy 3:15). I, Marymog, found that Church that Jesus started. You are still searching for it and you deny it.
3. I quoted the earliest records Christianity has of Peter being in Rome. I accept Christian history. You and your ilk deny Christian history to your own demise.
4. Constantine was emperor from 306-337 so your 250AD is wrong...A simple mistake on your part of which I understand.
5. YOUR 20th century Protestant men have taught you that Peter was not called "rock". Historically Christianity has always taught that Peter was the rock that Jesus built The Church upon: Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: ..... 18 I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;

Clement of Alexandria
“[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? ‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’ [Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]” (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).

Tertullian​

“For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]” (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]). “[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. . . . Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church” (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).

I could quote MANY Protestant theologians that say that Peter was The Rock upon which Jesus built his Church......Just like Scripture says. But since you deny your own Christian History and accept the teachings of your 20th Century Protestant men there is nothing I can say that will convince you and your teachers are wrong about your own Christian History and don't know how to read very basic Scripture!

With that said I wish you well in your 20th Century Christianity. I and my ilk will adhere to the NT and the teachings of men who lived closest to the times of Christ.....not the men who live in the 20th century.

Your house is destined for destruction - the little horn power will be taken away at the brightness of his coming.
F2F

 

[Taken]

Jesus had human blood and he was born of a woman.

Disagree…Jesus did NOT have human blood, human DNA, or any seed of a human.
Humans are procreated from a fertilized human seed, and the body Formed by God, and MADE a Living being by receipt of Gods gift of a soul, with Gods Breath of Life in it.

"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"

Yes … God PREPARED a body FOR Jesus….not that His body was “procreated”.

John 1:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Matthias]

“For some, the answer was that Christ had only the appearance of a man on earth - he was, in fact, a phantom. Christ was a Spirit, not a man. This line of thought became known as Docetism ...”

(Joan O’Grady, Early Christian Heresies, p. 11)

It is still found in Christianity to this day.

 

[Marymog]

Your house is destined for destruction - the little horn power will be taken away at the brightness of his coming.
F2F

Oh goodness F2F......What shall I do now?

Waiting for your guidence.....Mary

 

[face2face]

Oh goodness F2F......What shall I do now?

Waiting for your guidence.....Mary

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

 

[amigo de christo]

Were the brothers and sisters of JESUS of another mother . Highly doubt it .
But i do know they were of another father .
And let me give a nice thank you to the man who basically told another , COME YE OUT FROM AMONGST THEM .
cause that was a spot on right answer .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I haven't seen any biblical support for that belief. Have you?

Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?​

Makes me think of:
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

You may ask why because John 10:16 isn’t speaking of Jesus having brothers born of another mother. Depends on how one defines mother …like Nicodemus asked John 3:4-7 Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, You must be born again.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you

The verse you quoted (1 Cor. 6:17) is about coming out from among non-believers. It's NOT about Catholics. Not only are Catholics believers - we were the very FIRST believers. Even your Protestant Fathers will attest to that . . .

As to the brrthren og Jesus being born of another mother - they were, and the Bible tells us so:
Some of the “brothers” of Jesus are named in Scripture as James, Joses (Joseph), Judas and Simon (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55).

Acts 1:13 and Mark 3:18 tell us that one of those “brothers” was James the Less whose father was Alphaeus. The name “Alphaeus” is rendered in Greek as “Clopas”.

The Bible tells us that the wife of Clopas/Alphaeus was the kinswoman (adelphe) of Mary, mother of Jesus – and her name was also “Mary”.
We see her mentioned with the other Mary’s standing near the cross:

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome."

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus.

Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.

 

[face2face]

The verse you quoted (1 Cor. 6:17) is about coming out from among non-believers. It's NOT about Catholics. Not only are Catholics believers - we were the very FIRST believers. Even your Protestant Fathers will attest to that . . .

Correct - the apostacy is a Catholic system based on a blend of paganism and Judaism. No different to the Lord calling his disciples out of the first desolate house....which was also destroyed (utterly)

F2F

 

[BreadOfLife]

Correct - the apostacy is a Catholic system based on a blend of paganism and Judaism. No different to the Lord calling his disciples out of the first desolate house....which was also destroyed (utterly)

F2F

Again, Einstein - Pail is talkking about believers not yoking with non-believers.
He's NOT talking about apostasy. Do some homework, instead.

As to your silly charges of "paganism" - I thing you've been reading too many Jack Chick comic books.
Your confision runs deep . . .

 

[face2face]

Again, Einstein - Pail is talkking about believers not yoking with non-believers.
He's NOT talking about apostasy. Do some homework, instead.

As to your silly charges of "paganism" - I thing you've been reading too many Jack Chick comic books.
Your confision runs deep . . .

You mean 2 Corinthians 6:17 yeah?

The context is a perfect fit for those who belong to the Mother of Harlots....interesting your 1 Corinthians miss quote also applies.

And what agreement does Christ have with Beliar? 2 Co 6:15.

F2F

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

After Jesus was born.... Mary and Joseph did the wild thang a few times and had other kids

They were Jesus' half brothers because Jesus' Father was.... the Father, while the others kids had Joseph as their father.

The catholics claim Mary was a virgin her whole life and scripture does not support that view at all.

But then again, they pray to Mary and worship Mary which is idolatry as the Lord never taught anybody to do this.... the devil is the one deceiving people in to praying to Mary and worshiping Mary

For those thinking I'm just being hard on the catholics.... show me in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostle instructed anybody to pray to Mary and worship Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

You mean 2 Corinthians 6:17 yeah?

Yes.

The context is a perfect fit for those who belong to the Mother of Harlots....interesting your 1 Corinthians miss quote also applies.

And what agreement does Christ have with Beliar? 2 Co 6:15.

F2F

Back to the Jack Chick comic books, I see.
And you neber did present any evidence of "paganism".

Let me know when you're prepared to have a real dialog . . .


PS - yes, I DID notice that you completely ignored my Biblical evidence about Mary have NO other children than Jesus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

After Jesus was born.... Mary and Joseph did the wild thang a few times and had other kids

Really??
That's the kind of filthy way you talk about the mother of your Lord?? I guarantee you that Jesus doesn't find that funny.

Good luck with that one on Judgement Day . . .

They were Jesus' half brothers because Jesus' Father was.... the Father, while the others kids had Joseph as their father.

The catholics claim Mary was a virgin her whole life and scripture does not support that view at all.

Actually - as I showed in post 369 - Mary didn't have ANY other children.

If she had - what Jesus did on the cross in his final minutes would have shown great disrespect to his family and a violation agains the Commandment, "Honor thy father and thy mother" (Exof. 20:12).

But then again, they pray to Mary and worship Mary which is idolatry as the Lord never taught anybody to do this.... the devil is the one deceiving people in to praying to Mary and worshiping Mary

For those thinking I'm just being hard on the catholics.... show me in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostle instructed anybody to pray to Mary and worship Mary

I notice that you keep repeating ths nonsense about "worshipping" Mary.
That's NOT something that the Catholic Church teaches.

Do you always make a habit of violating God's Commandment against bearing FALSE witness?

 

[amigo de christo]

After Jesus was born.... Mary and Joseph did the wild thang a few times and had other kids

They were Jesus' half brothers because Jesus' Father was.... the Father, while the others kids had Joseph as their father.

The catholics claim Mary was a virgin her whole life and scripture does not support that view at all.

But then again, they pray to Mary and worship Mary which is idolatry as the Lord never taught anybody to do this.... the devil is the one deceiving people in to praying to Mary and worshiping Mary

For those thinking I'm just being hard on the catholics.... show me in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostle instructed anybody to pray to Mary and worship Mary

Dan can you please refrain from using the words wild thing . i was about to put a fat like on this .
Try using intercourse or sex .

 

[PGS11]

Yes they were Josephs children and it says Jesus mother was with them but it does not say she is their mother.A large potion of Christians hold her in high esteem even Islam confirming her virginity.Luther was a big Mary believer and in her virginity .The difference between all Christians and the Catholic belief on Mary - Catholics believe she was not in a fallen state to give birth to Jesus so he would not take on fallen flesh all other Christians believe she was in a fallen state.You are free to believe it any way you want there is no need to be hateful over it..But it does not make her equal or the same as Jesus no matter how hard you try.Personally I don't understand this extreme hatred for her it makes no sense.Mary is not equal to God or Jesus and can't raise you up or forgive your sins and no one is saying she can.Its a silly argument.

Its why she is held special in the Catholic Church because its though she was not in a fallen state.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes they were Josephs children and it says Jesus mother was with them but it does not say she is their mother.A large potion of Christians hold her in high esteem even Islam confirming her virginity.Luther was a big Mary believer and in her virginity .The difference between all Christians and the Catholic belief on Mary - Catholics believe she was not in a fallen state to give birth to Jesus so he would not take on fallen flesh all other Christians believe she was in a fallen state.You are free to believe it any way you want there is no need to be hateful over it..But it does not make her equal or the same as Jesus no matter how hard you try.Personally I don't understand this extreme hatred for her it makes no sense.Mary is not equal to God or Jesus and can't raise you up or forgive your sins and no one is saying she can.Its a silly argument.

Its why she is held special in the Catholic Church because its though she was not in a fallen state.

ISLAM is of satan . so i sure would not use them to support anything .
and we got us a WELL FAVORED HARLOT who even now has much influence over the prostestant realm too
as well as them false religoins . THAT HO IS MERGING ALL , SHE is a POWER HUNGRY WHORE and let none of us
who even names the name of CHRIST enter into her chambers . DO ALL you can to get anyone out of her chambers .
HER merging lie cometh of interfaith . and BOTH SIDES preach it now . GET EVERYONE OUT OF IT , COME YE OUT
from amongst them , BE YE HOLY for the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY IS HOLY .

 

[PGS11]

What ever what does that have to do with anything keep your Satan preaching to yourself I am simply making a point.Another guy who preaches Satan all day long and says nothing of Jesus there are lots of them.

That would make Luther from Satan too because he believed in her virginity the leader of the reformed Christian Church are you willing to go there?

 

[LuxMundy]

Yes they were Josephs children [...]

Nowhere in Scripture are Jesus's brothers Joseph, Simon, James, and Jude called the sons of Joseph.