Heaven Bound : or No ?

[Behold]

You don’t have to be “born again” to entertain the hope of everlasting life..

Its true that anyone can hope they have eternal life......but you can't actually have it until you are born again "In Christ"..

Jesus said......>>>"ALL who believe in me, i give unto you, ETERNAL LIFE< and you shall never go to HELL (Perish).

So, you have to do that, to receive eternal life, literally.....as only hoping for it, is hopeless.

 

[Behold]

Did Jesus need to be baptized in water? Why was John reluctant to do it?

Jesus had to "fulfill all righteousness" Matt 3:15......so that WE can be have it as "the Gift of Righteousness".

Welcome to : Salvation

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again has been set free from sin...by becoming clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

A Born Again is right before God, they are in his divine will...he has our spirit 100%, when Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We are partakers Of the divine nature..God uses his Children to do his will in earth, we are obedient to the leading of the Spirit, being conformed into the image of Christ.

The natural man / woman has no understanding of such spiritual matters ,just as his word says.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

 

[Jack]

But Aunty, you said Jesus and CYB are Satanic!

 

[Aunty Jane]

All that has ever happened in this world, and all that is up and coming, as the NT describes it, was always known as "God's Foreknowledge"

So, God's only purpose for the human race was for us to be happy, live forever, and worship Him.

Well, you got that right too, but how does that gel with what you have posted…so many unanswered questions….it’s what you ignore that rings the alarm bells….you purport to know so much, and with such confidence….but when pressed it seems you know so little……there is no big picture in your belief system…..it’s all about your opinions and interpretation as if that in itself was Scripture…..it’s not even close.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Its true that anyone can hope they have eternal life......but you can't actually have it until you are born again "In Christ"..

Jesus said......>>>"ALL who believe in me, i give unto you, ETERNAL LIFE< and you shall never go to HELL (Perish).

What does “perish” mean….? Look it up.
“Believing in Jesus” is only half of what is required for everlasting life. To call it eternal life is not quite correct ….”eternal” means “no beginning or end”….only one Being is eternal. (Yahweh) All others have a beginning…even Christ. (Rev 3:14)
Jesus has a God even in heaven. (Rev 3:12) He is “begotten”, which requires a ‘begetter’, regardless of how you want to manipulate the word to suggest otherwise.

So, you have to do that, to receive eternal life, literally.....as only hoping for it, is hopeless.

What does it mean to “believe” then? How does James say….”You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder”? (James 2:19) If the demons “believe” then are they too included among the saints?

It is obvious that you have selective understanding based on your own cherry picked Scriptures….but it’s nonsense when you open up the rest of the Bible….it’s all there for a reason…what part of “all scripture” is not “inspired of God and beneficial” for our understanding of God’s purpose?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus had to "fulfill all righteousness" Matt 3:15......so that WE can be have it as "the Gift of Righteousness".

Welcome to : Salvation

What is with the glib pseudo answers? I have asked you many legitimate questions which the Bible answers with other scripture….but apparently you cannot….if you are a teacher of others, I pity them your stunted puddle of knowledge….

Have you never opened and read the entire Bible? All of it is there for us to read and understand….not to gloss over the parts we don’t understand, or fail to fit into the big picture because we have a picture of our own to promote….?

There is so much that you ignore….why? Are you afraid of knowledge? Knowledge expels ignorance…..leaving no excuses to offer to the one who will judge all of us. (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Behold]

Well, you got that right too, but how does that gel with what you have posted…

My posts dont contradict each other.

so many unanswered questions….it’s what you ignore that rings the alarm bells…

I find the "doctrine" parts of a Thread or Post, and respond to that....
The other stuff, the surmising, the "well what i think is".......
I just ignore it.

.you purport to know so much, and with such confidence…

The completed assurance i have regarding what i teach... is because i obey perfectly... what Paul said to do, and so, this produces clarity of thought and purity of doctrine, and the blessing of God.

See, i KNOW that Paul's doctrine is "Church" Doctrine, and because i know His Doctrine, this can never fail.

 

[Aunty Jane]

My posts dont contradict each other.

The errors you post are backed up by other errors….so is it that there is no contradiction…or just that you explain away error with your own opinion?

I find the "doctrine" parts of a Thread or Post, and respond to that....

Where do your doctrines originate though?
Satan has his ‘big three’, used for centuries to lead mankind, but especially professed Christians down the wrong path.
1) He has invented multiple gods (and even one god operating in three personalities). I can find none of these in the Bible, apart from the mention that they are false deities.

2) Immortality of the soul (teaching that humans do not really die, but that immediately upon their death, they go on living in another form in another place.) Not a Bible teaching.

3) A hell of eternal fiery torment (suggesting that the just and loving God of the Bible is nothing more than a sadistic fiend).

With just these three aspects of worship, found in ALL false religion, we see the devil’s success story. He has even those who think they are worshipping the true God, worshipping a foreign deity, created by “the church” which in the foretold apostasy, left off from following Christ almost 2000 years ago. The doctrines that were created and completely accepted by Christendom, were never true in the first place.

Jesus warned that “weeds” would be sown among the “wheat”….and that they would grow together in the world until the harvest time, when the reapers would gather up the weeds and destroy them before bringing the wheat into God’s storehouse. That time is almost upon us as world events indicate.

Can you tell me what Jesus’ parable was warning us about? Who are the “weeds” and how are we to identify them? The “wheat” were to be separated out, so not resembling the “weeds” at all. Only at the harvest time was the separation to be very obvious.

Satan the devil is a mimic because he wants our worship, so he masquerades as “an angel of light”….
2 Cor 11:12-15….Paul said…
”But what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to eliminate the pretext of those who are wanting a basis for being found equal to us in the things about which they boast. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.”

Satan has ministers (servants) who are promoting what God condemns…..his deceptions are tried and tested…..believed by all worshippers of false deities, no matter what label they choose to wear. He has something for everyone. But especially “Christians”…..do you see that a false “Christianity” was set up by those who made themselves equal to the apostles of Christ? Who might that be promoting apostolic succession? Who is responsible for the teachings that form satan’s big three? Who were the willing dupes, who promoted teachings borrowed from pagan worship and incorporated them into what became “Christendom”…..(pseudo Christianity) hopelessly divided, but blind to the meaning of their divisions.

Why do you think that there are thousands of “Christian” sects all believing different things, yet still claiming to follow one Master? What is wrong with that picture?

The other stuff, the surmising, the "well what i think is".......
I just ignore it.

Can you afford to ignore any of it? If you are a teacher, then you should know more than your students. If you don’t, then all you are doing is promoting your own view, which if it is in error, are causing more people to take the wrong path. The saying “all roads lead to Rome” was true….but it is also true of false worship….all worship that does not go to the “only true God”, goes to the pretender by default…..he siphons off that worship for himself and his adoring followers do not see his disguise. All the religions and gods he has created in the minds of men are all his own work…..deception is how he gains his converts….painting the lies as truth…and the truth as lies. He’s had millennia to perfect his craft…and his success is seen in the outcome….”few” will be found on the road to life. (Matt 7:13-14)
The “many” who chose the wrong road, will offer their excuses to the one who will judge us all….and he will reject them as those he “NEVER KNEW”.
”NEVER” means “NOT EVER”…so think about that for a moment. How many have dedicated themselves to a form of worship that was never acceptable to God or his Christ since Jesus and his apostles left the earth?

The foretold apostasy from the Christian faith was beginning in the first century, but held back by the apostles until the last parts of the Greek Scriptures were written by John at the close of that era. Once the restraining influence of the apostles was gone, the weeds infiltrated the congregations and the rest is history…a very sad and bloody history.

The completed assurance i have regarding what i teach... is because i obey perfectly... what Paul said to do, and so, this produces clarity of thought and purity of doctrine, and the blessing of God.

Do you? Do you obey perfectly by teaching things that Paul never did?
As “an apostle to the nations”, Paul was chosen for a special assignment. He was chosen to take the Christian message to the gentiles….and among the Greek philosophers and educated Stoics, he held his own because he alone among the apostles was an educated man, and up to the task. His shameful past was the impetus for his endurance of much persecution, especially from his own race, knowing that he had mercilessly persecuted the Christians out of misguided loyalty. (1 Tim 1:13)

Did Paul teach that Jesus was equal to his God and Father? (1 Cor 8:5-6)

Did Paul teach that all Christians are bound for heaven? (1 Cor 1:2-3)

Did Paul believe in a fiery hell of eternal torment? If so, where does he ever mention it?

See, i KNOW that Paul's doctrine is "Church" Doctrine, and because i know His Doctrine, this can never fail.

Paul’s doctrine doesn’t resemble “church doctrine” in any way. He did not promote what you believe without twisting his words to mean what he never said.

Like the 12, Paul was taught directly by the resurrected Jesus…he was not educated by the other apostles, and despite his awful past, he was accepted by them. Yet unlike them, he is not included among the 12 who make up the foundations of God’s kingdom. (Rev 21: 10-14)

Paul is therefore not more important than any of the other apostles, nor did he teach anything different to what they did. You seem to have elevated Paul to a status that he never had in his service to God, so to attach impetus to his words over any others in Scripture is to idolize the man. That is a big mistake.

 

[Behold]

Paul is therefore not more important than any of the other apostles, nor did he teach anything different to what they did.

Jesus personally appointed Paul as the "Apostle to the Gentiles" in the "TIme of the Gentiles"
No other Apostle has that office.
Jesus personally gave the Apostle Paul, the "Gospel"... that is "The preaching of the Cross"...
Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine.
Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles..

So, you as a JW of course would not know any of this........and that is because you are a product of a religious system, that has no relationship to NT Christianity.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus personally appointed Paul as the "Apostle to the Gentiles" in the "TIme of the Gentiles"

Again you demonstrate that you have no idea what the Bible actually teaches as opposed to the interpretation you place on it.
Why was Paul appointed as an apostle to the gentiles? The Jews failed to fulfill their part of the covenant that God made with his nation and therefore the role of “kings and priests” in God’s Kingdom was lacking the numbers sufficient to fill these roles, so as Peter said….
”…God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” (Acts 15:14)

True to his promise to Abraham, people of “all nations” would be blessed by the coming seed…the Messiah. (Gen 22:18) God’s people always carried the name of their unique God Yahweh/Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18 KJV)

So what are the “Gentile Times”? If you are familiar with Daniel’s prophesies, you will know that the huge image of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream represented Gentile nations who would dominate God’s people down through history…..beginning with Babylon, in which God’s people were exiled as punishment for their failure to obey the commands of their God through his prophets, God foretold that other nations would take over in that role. Mighty Babylon was conquered in one night by Cyrus the Persian, who facilitated a return for a “remnant” of the Israelites back to their homeland, left in ruins for 70 years. Babylon was infamous for never releasing its prisoners. But God’s purpose would be fulfilled in spite of the Jews’ disobedience.

The King’s dream featured a march of world powers who would conquer the land of Israel and subjugate the Jewish people. The Medo-Persian Empire was conquered by Alexander the Great and Greece became the dominant world power of the day…..then Rome in Jesus’ day, which was not conquered but fell due to its own decadence…..out of the ashes of Rome came Britain, and finally in the “time of the end”, the Anglo-American world power of our day. This kingdom and its allies are the last world powers to play a role in God’s purpose before the coming of his Kingdom to restore his rulership to the earth.

 “In the days of those (last) kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever“. (Daniel 2:44)

All the earthly kingdoms of man will be destroyed, as will all who support them. (Which is why we must be “NO PART OF THE WORLD”)

The Jews would fulfill their role as God had foretold, to produce the Messiah, whose death would benefit not just the Jews but people of all nations. After these rebellious people produced the Messiah, God’s purpose in connection with them was finished. They were serial covenant breakers for whom God had no further purpose…..he abandoned them to the nations. (Matt 23: 37-39) They are warring blood spillers, just like all the rest. Jesus said that his followers would be “peacemakers”, not peace disrupters. No longer to use carnal weapons, Christianity was a religion of peace. (2 Cor 10:3-5; Rom 12:17-21)

To this day, Israel and her people are as opposed to Jesus Christ as they were in Bible times. They have allied themselves with nations whose worship they despise, just like their forefathers did, and for which God punished them.

No other Apostle has that office.

Do you not know why Paul was so different to the 12? When it was time to choose a replacement for Judas, did they wait for Paul to fill the position?
As the only educated apostle, and a Pharisee to boot, Paul could speak to both national and Jewish leaders with authority because he was not an uneducated man.
His speech to the “Men of Athens” was masterful. (Acts 17:22-23)

Jesus personally gave the Apostle Paul, the "Gospel"... that is "The preaching of the Cross"...

What is “the gospel”….can you tell me, Behold? Can you explain what the “good news of the Kingdom” is….and what the Kingdom will do for those who become its rulers and also what it means for its citizens? The Bible speaks of both.
Strangely, I have never heard a single person explain what the Lord’s Prayer means where Jesus tells us to pray for God’s Kingdom to “come” so that God’s will can “be done on earth as it is in heaven”….

Can you explain? Let’s hear it….

Paul teaches all the Church Doctrine.

Paul teaches what Christ taught him to teach. In company with the other apostles, Paul did not teach anything that they did not. They spoke as a collective. (1 Cor 8:5-6) In his recommendations, Paul always made reference to his is own opinions as separate from the things that his Lord Jesus instructed him to teach.

What is “the church” today and down through centuries of apostasy, as opposed to what is was when Jesus and his apostles walked the earth? There is no connection.….no similarity whatsoever. How many people actually know that?

Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles..

Yes, he was privileged to write more of the Christian Scriptures than others, but interestingly, in spite of there being 12 apostles, only Matthew, Peter and John wrote other books of the Bible. Did you never wonder why? If all 12 are treated equally in their reward, why were so many only mentioned in Scripture, but did not record anything that God included in his word?

So, you as a JW of course would not know any of this

LOL….and this from someone who knows so little about so much….what do you actually know as opposed to what you think you do?
Its what you ignore that gives you away….hardly a single question asked of you is ever answered.

........and that is because you are a product of a religious system, that has no relationship to NT Christianity.

And I thank God for that! In this “time of the end”, to be part of that disunited and bickering rabble would sound the deathknell for me. (Matt 7:21-23) I was raised in Christendom…but after careful Bible study undertaken over two years, I chose to leave it completely. (Rev 18:4-5)
What religious system are you a product of?

According to Jesus’ parable, the “wheat and the weeds” were to be separated during this period of judgment. (the time of the end) This time of Jesus’ return was pictured as being “like the days of Noah” before the flood. (Matt 24:37-39) Do you see it? Violence and immorality are rampant everywhere…the love of the greater number for God, and for each other has diminished to the point where it’s hard to find. Down through the centuries Christians have been slaughtering one another in wars…..they still are….is there an excuse for that? (1 John 4: 20-21)

As the time for the harvest arrived, the distinction between the two would be obvious….they would not resemble one another at all. Jesus will find his true disciples at peace.
When he arrives as judge, he will pass sentence on those who put their faith in the kingdoms of men. Those with blood on their hands. (Isa 1:15)

Do you know the story behind the parable of the wheat and the weeds? What did Jesus’ Jewish audience understand him to mean?

The weed in question is believed to be “bearded darnel”…..a poisonous weed that in its early growth is indistinguishable from wheat. Common in the Middle East in Bible times, this weed was often used to sabotage a neighbor’s crop, by oversowing his enemy’s field with this weed. (It came to be called “wheat’s evil twin”)

By the time the weed was identifiable, before the head of the grain matured, the roots systems were so intertwined with the wheat that, pulling them out would take the wheat with them, so all the farmer could do was allow the crop to come to harvest, instruct the reapers to pull out the weeds first and dispose of them, and then collect the wheat into his storehouse. It was a difficult harvest, but better than to have no crop at all.
By burning the weeds, they were assured that no seeds survived the harvest to spoil the next crop.

What picture does that paint for you?

 

[Behold]

Again you demonstrate that you have no idea what the Bible actually teaches

A JW is in not in a valid spiritual or theological position to try to teach the NT.

Thats the reality.

This is not going to change for you. @Aunty Jane

 

[Aunty Jane]

A JW is in not in a valid spiritual or theological position to try to teach the NT.

Thats the reality.

This is not going to change for you. @Aunty Jane

Again…not a single word in answer to any question asked…..I pity those you influence….your ignorance is plainly evident. You fold under pressure to provide evidence for your beliefs. *Crickets*….

Where is your defense? MIA as usual…..you are all talk. There is no real understanding of Scripture or any genuine knowledge of Yahweh or his Christ.

Theology is the study of religious doctrine….not the Bible.

What is not going to change for you…?

 

[Behold]

Again…not a single word in answer to any question asked…..I pity those you influence…

What a JW teaches, is perfect to ignore, and its best, ignored.
Why do you think i would want to read what you teach or think?? After all you are not on my Thread to Learn.. you are just here to try to Sell your JW Theology.
SEE....You are a JW.. and that is such a deep cultic situation...
The only thing you could tell me that would interest me, is for you to honestly tell us how you were led to become a JW.

Want to answer that ?
If not, then run along, as i have no use for your deception or your twisted JW theology. @Aunty Jane

 

[RedFan]

Yes, he was privileged to write more of the Christian Scriptures than others, but interestingly, in spite of there being 12 apostles, only Matthew, Peter and John wrote other books of the Bible. Did you never wonder why? If all 12 are treated equally in their reward, why were so many only mentioned in Scripture, but did not record anything that God included in his word?

I just want to point out that it is possible one or more "gospels" or "epistles" written by one or more of the original Twelve have just not been preserved. (Gospels attributed to Thomas and Philip strike me as spurious, but I can't be sure.)

And it is possible that the Matthew (Levi?) of the original Twelve didn't write the gospel that bears his name, despite the early tradition that he did (Papias and Irenaeus attribute it to him, so the notion must have been gaining currency rather early on). But I have to concur that the Apostle John did write the Fourth Gospel, in part because he is the only gospel author to identify himself -- albeit as as the one Jesus loved rather than by name (as in Revelation).

 

[Behold]

Reader,

If you are not born again.. If you are not a Christian... then, let me show you something eternal.

YOU< are an eternal being... YOU are not just a body, heading to a grave.

YOU are an eternal spirit, who lives IN your body,..... and your body is "dead because of sin",,, and that is why its dying, over time, and they are going to bury your body, or cremate it.
Have you decided which?

So, that is only your body. Your Spirit that is inside your earth suit, is going to live forever.
But where will you continue to exist forever after your body dies, you get to decide.

Reader....
Eternity is where your Spirit is heading after your body, dies.

Hebrews 9:27, says that your death day... the death of your body, is going to come to you.
So, where do YOU want to spend Eternity, once you leave your body?

You get get to decide this....right now.
You get to decide if you want to spend your eternity as a Christian, with Jesus, and God the Father, in Heaven..........or not.
And there is only one other eternal destination, and you know what that is.... and you dont want to choose that one..

So, how do you choose Heaven, as your Eternity?
How do you make certain, that once your body is dead, your spirit will be with Jesus and God the Father and all the Christians.... forever ?

Its very simple.
You allow God, to deal with what will keeps you out of heaven, after you die.
You allow God to deal with what will keep you out of heaven, after you die.
And what is that, Reader?

Its your SIN.

SIN separates you from God right now and forever..... and unless your SIN is resolved by God, unless its all forgiven... then your sin will keep you forever out of heaven, after you die.

Reader,
So....How does God resolve your sin for you, because He loves you....so that your sin is always forgiven?

A.) Jesus died on The Cross for you, so that His Blood, His Death, His Sacrifice, will deal with all your sin.

That is how you may be Forgiven = all your sin.. and forever.

A.) """JESUS< is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL... Sacrifice for our sin"""..

See that?
That is the TRUTH.
That is God offering His Only Begotten Son, to YOU and For you....so that by Jesus's Sacrifical Death, all your sin can and will be forgiven and you begin again, according to God.... as if you've never sinned.

Reader..
The Cross of Christ, will always be recognized by God as having dealt with all your Sin., and this is how you make certain where you will spend your eternity.

This is God's "GIFT of Salvation"... = Jesus on THE CROSS and He's freely offered to you, always... And God wants you to turn to Jesus and receive Christ into your heart, by faith.

Reader, if you Take Christ, by Faith... God takes you by promise forever.......forever.

A.) """Now is the time.. NOW is the day of your Salvation" the Holy Spirit of God says to you."""

Receive Christ now.......Trust in Jesus right now.....the best way you know how....... and God will forgive all your sin and take you into His Eternal Family.........just like that.
Its just that simple.
Many Thousands Trusted in Jesus today , and you should also.

God loves you so much, and Jesus is calling you home.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What a JW teaches, is perfect to ignore, and its best, ignored.
Why do you think i would want to read what you teach or think?? After all you are not on my Thread to Learn.. you are just here to try to Sell your JW Theology.
SEE....You are a JW.. and that is such a deep cultic situation...

What an incredible cop out……you have an open opportunity to defend your faith but it appears as if you cannot……it’s not that you are refusing to respond, even though you want people to believe that It is somehow beneath your dignity.

What happened to Peter’s words…..1 Pet 3:15.
”But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect.”

Or is Peter to be ignored because he’s not Paul?

Do you know how the Jewish people were taught to reject Jesus as the Messiah? They listened to ignorant people like you.
Who sold you your theology? Can you tell me that?

The only thing you could tell me that would interest me, is for you to honestly tell us how you were led to become a JW.
Want to answer that ?

I am happy to…..I was raised in Christendom, but as I got older the things they wanted me to believe were not found in the Bible unless they wove a meaning into an ambiguous verse or verses.
There were several things that just didn’t add up. One question especially kept clawing away at me….”where are the dead”?

I lost my father suddenly from a massive heart attack when I was 19 years old, and had been led to believe by my church, that he had gone to hell because he was not a ‘Church goer’…obviously from your perspective not “born again”……so condemned to suffer in flames for all eternity. Personally, that didn’t sit well with me because I was also taught that we were serving a God of justice and love…..there was no reconciling the two…..there was no justice or love in hell…so I started a search for God outside of any church that embraced that satanic lie. Only the devil would think up such a despicable place and blame it on God.

To be honest JW’s were the last people I thought would be able to teach me anything, so it wasn’t until I had ruled out all other faiths (Christian and non-Christian) that I began to despair that I would ever find the God I saw from creation…..he was the one I wanted to know and serve.

Just out of curiosity one day, instead of turning the JW’s away I started asking them the hard questions thinking they would just run away…..but JW’s were the only ones who got me to read the Bible for myself…..my own KJV that was given to me by my Grandmother when I was 10 years old. They showed me from the Bible the answers to all my questions….

That was 54 years ago and I’m still learning…..because JW’s have a Bible study course from which they never graduate…..this gives us the added bonus of being a student as well as a teacher for life. We don’t need theological college degrees because we don’t study theology gained from the corrupt Roman Catholic Church. We just study the Bible….all of it.

No one is paid to do the Lord’s work as most in our brotherhood are are self-supporting. We take the commission that Christ gave to his disciples seriously….because he commanded that it be done right to “the end”. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)
None of the churches in any place I have ever lived has brought “the good news of the Kingdom” to the people as Jesus instructed. (Matt 10:11-14) They sit in their rapidly diminishing churches and wait for people to wander in.

You have shown me exactly what everyone else has…..Christendom’s flawed theology….which is the study of corrupted religious doctrine, not the Bible.
From what you post, it appears as if you are just regurgitating what every other church teaches but with your own personal slant on everything. None of it makes a lick of sense.

If not, then run along, as i have no use for your deception or your twisted JW theology. @Aunty Jane

I have no time for your deception or twisted theology either, but I will engage you for the benefit of the readers here…they will soon see who has the answers, and who is poking around in the dark trying to sound knowledgeable. You cannot answer the simplest questions….

 

[Behold]

Reader,

here is a simple teaching regarding understanding God's Salvation.

Each of us is this one... "all have sinned, there is none righteous..... no not one"..

And this situation, is not something that we can resolve, of ourselves.
We are at the mercy of The LAW, that demands righteousness, and we have none, because "all have sinned".

Who then will deliver us from this "curse of the Law" ???? = that judges us and defines us, as "sinner's sinning"?
How can a Sinner become forgiven and righteous, so that God can accept us and keep us, forever. ?

Enter Jesus, ......who was made under the law...."God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, that JESUS might redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons/daughters""".

Notice that Jesus was sent to deal with the Law for us, to rescue (redeem) us from it...... and the verse says... that "Jesus MIGHT" do it..

So, why does it say "Might"?

Its because what He has accomplished has to be received by you, ... as our : "faith is counted by God"..

See that?
So, The Cross is where Jesus has made it possible for all who have sinned (all of us)..... to be made free from sin, forgiven all sin, and rescued from THE Law.

How does this happen?
Well, Christ lived a sinless righteous life, and upon The Cross, He offers this LIFE = to God, for each of us... as our (Sacrificial) forgiveness.

So what has Jesus now accomplished?
He has accomplished what the Law required of US... .in that He never sinned,... and His Death, has paid for our lifetime of sin... and His Righteousness, is now offered to "all who will believe".

Here is how to simply understand all this...

God sent Jesus into this world to live a sinless life, and then offer this on the Cross, for us.

End result?

Its amazing... Its God's GRACE....... As this LIFE of sinlessness and Righteousness that Jesus The Christ has accomplished, is now given to us, as a "GIFT...... as if WE LIVED IT,.... once we give God our Faith in Christ.

The Cross, is where Holy God is able to Join Sinful man to Himself, based on the finished work of Jesus.

This is a Divine Exchange.....whereby Jesus because our sin bearer and dies for us... and we are given His righteous life as "The Gift of Salvation" as if we lived it, always.

This is what it means to become "born again".....as "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

So, when God now sees the CHRISTIAN, He only sees us as what Christ has accomplished for us, that God accepts on our Behalf, forever.

The born again is now..

1.) Sinless
2.) Righteous
3.) Perfected

= "IN Christ"

The New Testament describes our Eternal TRANSFORMATION as us becoming a "NEW CREATION in CHRIST".... "old things are passed away and behold, all things are become NEW"..

Welcome to : SALVATION

Its a "Gift" from God.

And Its Eternal.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Cross, is where Holy God is able to Join Sinful man to Himself, based on the finished work of Jesus.

Yes, Christ was sent into the world to save sinners.…so Jesus and his apostles conducted what they called the “the ministry” or “word of reconciliation” with God. So what is reconciliation in this context?
Rom 5:10…
”For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.” (NASB)

Such reconciliation with God is necessary because an alienation took place, a separation, a lack of harmony and of friendly relations, but more than that, a state of enmity with God resulted. This came through the first man, Adam’s sin and the resultant sinfulness and imperfection inherited by all his descendants. (Heb 2:17)

2 Cor 5:18-20…
”Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.“ (NASB)

Notice that these ones are “ambassadors for Christ”…..what is the role of an “ambassador”?
Can just anyone be an ambassador?….or do they need to be appointed because of their reputation and good standing as representatives of the ones who sent them?

The sin in us is not our fault, and thus God made provision for Adam’s children right from the beginning to bring them up out of their sinful state and reconcile them with himself through the sacrifice of his son. What was the result?

This is a Divine Exchange.....whereby Jesus because our sin bearer and dies for us... and we are given His righteous life as "The Gift of Salvation" as if we lived it, always.

This is what it means to become "born again".....as "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

This is where I believe you digress into error…..not all “saved” sinners need to be “born again” because only those who will rule with Christ in heaven require this rebirth……it is a transformation from a perishable body of flesh and blood, to an imperishable spirit body capable of existing in the heavenly realm, in the presence of God. A resurrection is required in order for the flesh of the elect (saints/chosen ones) to be abolished and a new spirit body provided.…but not all Christians are heaven bound.

Since God created humans to live forever on earth, where did that change? (Gen 3:22-24) He made provision for mortal humans to enjoy unending life right here on earth…..Sending his son to die in atonement for the sin that Adam passed on to all of his children, did not alter God’s first purpose for us.

What God chose, beginning with the apostles, was a governmental arrangement, headed by Christ in the role of King and High Priest, and his chosen ‘cabinet’ of 144000 “joint heirs” who were to rule in this kingdom with him, and to act as priests, bringing redeemed mankind back into reconciliation with their Creator. (Rev 20:6) This Kingdom will rule for a thousand years. These kings and priests, it says are “resurrected first”.

There are two entirely separate groups who have completely different destinies. You save the first group but ignore their role in bringing sinful humanity back to God as it was to be in the beginning. Christ came to “undo the works of the devil”….that is to restore their physical bodies back to what God purposed in the beginning….sinless and perfect. They were robbed of that life!
The apostle John in his Revelation saw these two groups….

Rev 7:2-4, 9-10, 13-17……
”And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel” . . . . .(see Rev 14:1-4)

“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”. . . . .

“Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.” (NASB)

You miss the purpose entirely of being “born again”. This “great multitude” are also saved by Christ’s sacrifice. It is this unnumbered group whom you fail to acknowledge as having “washed their their robes in the blood of the Lamb”. It is these ones whom the “born again” “kings and priests” will guide back into reconciliation with God under the kingdom arrangement. That is the “good news”, but you turned it into bad news.

So, when God now sees the CHRISTIAN, He only sees us as what Christ has accomplished for us, that God accepts on our Behalf, forever.

The born again is now..

1.) Sinless
2.) Righteous
3.) Perfected

= "IN Christ"

Yes, those selected for a role in heaven are “born again” for a purpose….your scenario leaves out the whole reason why we need those “kings and priests”.…..to save sinners out of the death to which Adam sentenced them. There are two different groups, with two different destinies. No one can volunteer to be “born again” just by becoming a “Christian”….that is God’s choice. He has hand picked those who will rule with Christ in his kingdom. They are not “born again” until they are resurrected in a new body. They have a token in advance, confirming their choosing, but this just gives them confirmation of their selection.

Paul confirms this in Eph 1:13-16…
”In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers”. (NASB)

Paul recognized that not all were “sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” since the ones he wrote to were confirming their love for these “saints”.

The New Testament describes our Eternal TRANSFORMATION as us becoming a "NEW CREATION in CHRIST".... "old things are passed away and behold, all things are become NEW"..

Yes…..but not in the twisted way you see it….the “us” in these Scriptures is not who you think it is. You have relegated their subjects to “hell”! What a horrible misinterpretation….when Christ died to save all who accept his ransom and put faith in it.
Your interpretation crumbles under examination….

 

[Fred J]

Jesus personally appointed Paul as the "Apostle to the Gentiles" in the "TIme of the Gentiles"

i disagree, this is where am witnessing, the unstable and unlearned 'twist' the doctrine, and do so they the other scriptures.

Acts 9:
15. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.

Who are the children of Israel that likewise Paul have to bear Jesus name to?

They are all the descendants of Jacob through his 12 sons, that formed the 12 tribes and nation of Israel, the true Jews.

For example, animals are trained to do many things by masters, so that they will perform as how you direct them by rewarding them with feeds.

Therefore, is the same with new and moderate believers who've not mastered the Holy Bible.

So to those masters of the Scripture who'll be greatly judged, feed the wrong information, apparently head them in the wrong direction.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ