"election" is Calvinism, as you teach it.
Calvinism is not Christianity.
Notice how its spelled?
Think on that.
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"election" is Calvinism, as you teach it.
Calvinism is not Christianity.
Notice how its spelled?
Think on that.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Election is election as God teaches it. But you hate the greek and proper grammar so you cannot know.
You should get to know the bible better and use it if you wish to be considered a teacher of the word of God.
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When you say that the Calvinism that you are selling is "God teaching it", you are only proving the depth of your deception. @Ronald Nolette , over and over.
See. when you teach dark light, you are one.
And as i told you, when you deny that the Cross of Christ is for the WORLD, John 3:16.... then you are teaching "Anti-Cross" theology.
Galatians 1:8
You say you dont care about that dark light you are preaching, but you must care about it as you cant stop trying to sell it.
And that is very obvious.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
And what you call Calvinism is the bible as I posted the verses to show it!
You, on the other hand, seem afraid to defend your pontificati9ng opinions with Scripture.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
I have3 given the verses, you haven't even acknowledged those verses or cared to refute them. YOu seem more interested in condemning (which is none of your inflated egos business) the brethren that dare disagree with you or treat them with condescending smugness.
I am more and more convinced you cannot hold a real biblical discussion.
You've proven your circular reasoning theology, that is your calvinism mental stronghold.
Listen, i have posted to you many verses.. I also have Anti-Calvinism - Tulip Threads...up and running.
Calvinism is a spiritual infection, that is a type of witchcraft.. it "bewitches" you mind, according to Paul.... so that you can't see verses, because you only see them as Calvin has you seeing them..
So, posting verses to you, is futile.
Its no different then posting verses to a Mormon or a JW......as the stronghold in the mind, that has deceived... is not solved or healed by reading verses.
It actually makes it worse for you.
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You can't even come to this Forum, unless you talk about your Calvinism issue.
We are convinced. @Ronald Nolette
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
God elects as the bible teaches.
We are on a forum that discusses the bible and not just the opinion off Behold. You should quote verses more and your own opinion less.
I only teach Paul's Theology. His Doctrine.
I teach it, as He taught it.
Also. do you Remember this verse that you laughed at and condemned that i posted to you, about 3 yrs ago.
Paul said.. "Be a follower of me, as i follow Christ"..
And that means...to emulate His Life, His Ministry, His Spirituality, and most of all Teach His Doctrine.
So, 3 yrs later, im still doing that on the forum, and was doing it for many years before i came here.
You on the other hand are SELLING CALVINISM, and Calvinism is a theological cancer on the Body of Christ.
Its Evil... its demonic, and it only produces CALVINISTS..
God creates : CHRISTIans.
John Calvinism creates : CALVINISTS... (You) @Ronald Nolette
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
No you do not teach Paul and His doctrine. You preach hate viciousness, slander and false accusations. You rarely use the bible because you appear to be enraptured by your own opinions instead of the Word of God.
and you are a disciple of Jacob Arminius.
I dont follow any person who is outside of the NT.
I dont teach any doctrine that is outside of the NT.
What is "outside the NT"?
A.) Its anything written by any MAN.... who was not Paul The Apostle.
So, you are a man follower, who is deceived by a man.
You have no other Theology... as you are a self proclaimed Calvinist, and you follow this man, you teach this man's theology, and this man owns your mind. Paul said "WHO has bewitched you".. and in your case it would be John Calvin.
Now i understand that you can stop trying to SELL Calvinism, as that is what He does to His : Disciples.... @Ronald Nolette .
Keep proving me right.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
None so blind as those who refuse to see.
By rejecting the five biblical points of Calvinism, you by default make your self an acolyte of Jacob Arminius!
But here is a favorite from the Apostle Paul under teh inspiration of the Holy spirit:
Romans 9:14-24
King James Version
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
In this divinely Inspired passage Paul wrote, He clearly and plainly declares three of the five points we call Calvinism oh benighted acolyte of Jacob Arminius.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Why don’t you two put each other on ignore, I’ve just done that with another member, as I can see myself repeating the same old pattern of arguing..
Get sick and tired of you two and your tit for tat arguing...I think the whole forum are sick of it to be honest, your like a couple of kids and I don’t care if I get banned for saying it.
Get sick and tired of you two and your tit for tat arguing...I think the whole forum are sick of it to be honest, your like a couple of kids and I don’t care if I get banned for saying it.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Believe I have wanted to. But inpraying on it, I get teh conviction God does not wish me to. I have placed close to 20 on ignore.
but Beholds venom, lies, slander and viciousness is something that someone needs to answer.
Without trying to sound like a braggadocio, I believe I am called to be Mordechi to his Haman, until he gets hoisted on his own petard.
I would prefer an honest serious discussion with the Word, but He refuses and that makes him a dishonest debater.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
When the Holy Spirit penetrates the spirit of the forgiven child of God, they then have the faith to believe in Christ in their heart ,faith is a gift from God..Only the Spirit can witness the truth of who God is to our heart, as we have been birthed in the spirit, mind blowing!.
No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.as His word also says, no one can come to the Son except by the Father, amazing power of the Spirit that draws us to Jesus and to believe in his Name, again, mind blowing.
No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.as His word also says, no one can come to the Son except by the Father, amazing power of the Spirit that draws us to Jesus and to believe in his Name, again, mind blowing.
You never reply to me BL....it must be difficult for you - not sure why.
The 5 points of Calvinism come from Dort?
And you expect all Christians to be aware of Dort?
You expect all Christians to be aware of any one of the Confessions?
That's like asking all Christians to be aware and know the Catechism of the Catholic Church IF they want to deny any
of that church's teachings.
@Behold is NOT misrepresenting Calvinism and he's not misrepresenting the bible....in a very special way the NT which presents to us
JESUS....the complete and final revelation from God.
And you ask Behold what he will reply to God because of his aggressive rejection of INCORRECT calvinist teachings???
What will YOU reply to God when He asks you why you changed His character and taught a God that is
NOT LOVING
NOT MERCIFUL
NOT JUST
Instead of insignificant posts....why don't you take the excellent first 3 posts of his and give a counter-argument?
Most probably not easy to do.
When the theology presented is correct.
Let's have a serious discussion RN.
Reply to this verse:
Acts 7:51
51“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
One of the 5 points is Irrisisteble Grace....IOW,,,,,man cannot resist God's grace. If God wants to save a man...He will and the man has no free will to deny God's grace.
If IG is correct theology, WHY does Stephen make the statement in Acts 7?
Why does he state that some are ALWAYS RESISTING THE HOLY SPIRIT?
Sounds like the Holy Spirit CAN be resisted.
Sounds like IR is a false teaching.
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