Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?

[rebuilder 454]

Nope.

" their lamps went out" ( the 5 foolish had oil, but it got depleated.)
( like those in the 7 letters to the seven churches)
Yep.
They had oil.

But believe whatever you will.
I am just reporting the facts.
The facts are the components of the parable.

If you change them, it is because you need then changed for whatever reason.

 

[Grailhunter]

Just running through....the above is interesting and I'd also like the opinion/knowledge of @Grailhunter .

There's a difference between WEDDING and MARRIAGE.

Marriage, as we understand it, is the act of getting married in a church setting with God as the Witness.
It is a Covenant being created between God and man.
In the OT there were MARRIAGES....

Wedding, as we understand it, is the celebration that comes AFTER two persons are married.
It has nothing to do with religion, oaths, covenants, etc. It's just a party.

Mary and Joseph celebrated their MARRIAGE.
Matthew 22 says THE MARRIAGE BANQUET

Some bibles use NUPTIAL.....

I am pretty sure I agree with here.
Marriages in the Old Testament. Marriage ceremonies have been occurring, even before recorded history, but they were Pagan.

For the Hebrew-Jews it was a process….between fathers….women were treated like property….contracts and money exchanged….the father expected to deliver a virgin daughter.

The Jewish marriage celebration was a family affair and what went on there….some Christians would not be comfortable with because the union occurred during the celebration in the bridal chamber.

Christian marriages and wedding was an evolving thing through history….And when the Protestants made it a requirement to be married in a church with vows and presided over by clergy….it truly became a Covenant between God and the bride and the groom. A Covenant to include God in their marriage and to raise their children as Christian.

Now before that? It probably was because of what Christ said....….“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

 

[GodsGrace]

I am pretty sure I agree with here.
Marriages in the Old Testament. Marriage ceremonies have been occurring, even before recorded history, but they were Pagan.

For the Hebrew-Jews it was a process….between fathers….women were treated like property….contracts and money exchanged….the father expected to deliver a virgin daughter.

The Jewish marriage celebration was a family affair and what went on there….some Christians would not be comfortable with because the union occurred during the celebration in the bridal chamber.

Christian marriages and wedding was an evolving thing through history….And when the Protestants made it a requirement to be married in a church with vows and presided over by clergy….it truly became a Covenant between God and the bride and the groom. A Covenant to include God in their marriage and to raise their children as Christian.

Now before that? It probably was because of what Christ said....….“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

Are you saying two could be married just between them and God?
Some persons believe this.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Just running through....the above is interesting and I'd also like the opinion/knowledge of @Grailhunter .

There's a difference between WEDDING and MARRIAGE.

Marriage, as we understand it, is the act of getting married in a church setting with God as the Witness.
It is a Covenant being created between God and man.
In the OT there were MARRIAGES....

Wedding, as we understand it, is the celebration that comes AFTER two persons are married.
It has nothing to do with religion, oaths, covenants, etc. It's just a party.

Mary and Joseph celebrated their MARRIAGE.
Matthew 22 says THE MARRIAGE BANQUET

Some bibles use NUPTIAL.....

I guess I would need to see the danger and gross error of the forbidden word "wedding".

That is why I asked "what are we ultimately getting at here.????
It seems to be the rabbit trail of the century.

1062 gámos – properly, a wedding celebration; (figuratively) the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which begins with Christ glorifying all the saints (OT, NT) at His return. This eschatological celebration is described in Mt 22:2-10 and Rev 19:7-9 – "and apparently occurs at the final day of the seven-year Tribulation" (G. Archer). For more discussion, see 4394/prophēteia ("prophecy) and 110/athanasia ("the divine investiture of immortality") at the return of Christ.

Is there some life and death dimension on the line here???
Some doctrinal pitfall that is irredeemable to those heretics that would dare insert " wed" for the only possible true rendition of "marrige"

Again...what is this hair splitting about?
Some doctrine that hinges on making sure "wedding" never fouls the pure air of doctrinal purity??????
I would say that such a doctrine or silly position is 100 red flags.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I am pretty sure I agree with here.
Marriages in the Old Testament. Marriage ceremonies have been occurring, even before recorded history, but they were Pagan.

For the Hebrew-Jews it was a process….between fathers….women were treated like property….contracts and money exchanged….the father expected to deliver a virgin daughter.

The Jewish marriage celebration was a family affair and what went on there….some Christians would not be comfortable with because the union occurred during the celebration in the bridal chamber.

Christian marriages and wedding was an evolving thing through history….And when the Protestants made it a requirement to be married in a church with vows and presided over by clergy….it truly became a Covenant between God and the bride and the groom. A Covenant to include God in their marriage and to raise their children as Christian.

Now before that? It probably was because of what Christ said....….“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Matthew 19:4-6

Ok
The point????
I asked you previously and you basically keep saying you are pointing out that Adam and eve and the patriarchs that followed had no wedding , matrimony ( or whatever the " true"
Rendition) is.
Ok what now?
Where was Jesus sidetracked?
Where did he go wrong?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Are you saying two could be married just between them and God?
Some persons believe this.

Without question, 2 could do just that.

 

[rebuilder 454]

End game and proof?
Accuracy and truth matters.
If it does not….more make believe religious beliefs will develop. There are a large number of make believe religious beliefs already.

How many people do not know that for most of history marriages were a family affair….no clergy….and the union formed the marriage? We can see this today, if a couple does not have sex after a wedding ceremony they can have the marriage annulled. The union still forms the marriage.
How many Protestants do not know that it was the Protestants that actually made a church wedding ceremony a requirement to be married? How many Christians do not know that getting married by a Justice of the Peace….is not right. On the other hand monogamous couples that have not had a ceremony are not sinning because the scriptures do not require a ceremony, just faithful monogamy. How many people have been condemned because people are not knowledgeable of the scriptures and the history of marriages and Weddings.

As far as religious beliefs…..it does not matter if you or I, like them or not….what matters is the truth.
I believe the Protestants had the authority to make church weddings a requirement to be married for those attending their churches. I believe it was the right choice. The Catholics would not even allow marriage ceremonies in their churches. And people should know that it was the Gentiles that brought the custom of ceremonies into Christianity. The bride’s dress and train. The vows and rings and cake and cutting of the cake by the groom and bride, the rice and bells and cans behind the car, even some decoration are all Gentile-Pagan customs.. The requirement for a preacher to preside over the wedding in a church was all Protestant.

And I think it is all great!!! I love weddings and receptions and I do not think I have ever turned down an invitation to a wedding. I come from a small town and the young people in the churches I attend know I will contribute to their weddings…. Back in the day I had discounts for 1st class tickets on flights and I would provide the tickets for their Honeymoon.

You took it into a rabbit trail with your declaration "nowhere is the word "wedding" in the bible"

 

[GodsGrace]

Without question, 2 could do just that.

I've thought about this.
A member on another forum was "married" to her husband with no marriage ceremony
(but with a small wedding ceremoney lol - they did celebrate their oath to God).

I think that in the times when populations were small this could have worked.
But in big cities and large populations,,,I do believe that some kind of formal act had to take place, if for nothing else,
to know who children belonged to.

Don't know enough about this....will keep reading along.

 

[GodsGrace]

Without question, 2 could do just that.

Had a thought....
When God made A and E,,,HE was present and declared them "married".
Giving the explanation that a man would leave his home and start a new home.

Maybe a marriage is so that God can STILL be present when two persons want to become one flesh?

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you saying two could be married just between them and God?
Some persons believe this.

Until the 16th century the union formed the marriage, ceremony or not. Exactly that! Even if you had a ceremony the union formed a marriage. It is an absolute fact that the scriptures do not require a ceremony to be married.....No description of a ceremony. It is exactly as God said .....For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.....no ceremony....no clergy.....no witnesses. A man and woman could be out in the wilderness and decide they love one another and make love and they were married. The truth can be shocking!

And I want to give this guidance…..If a couple that has not had a ceremony comes to your church….welcome them with open arms and love them. Let Christ work on their hearts. Let association and acceptance and love of Christians guide them in this matter.

 

[GodsGrace]

I guess I would need to see the danger and gross error of the forbidden word "wedding".

That is why I asked "what are we ultimately getting at here.????
It seems to be the rabbit trail of the century.

1062 gámos – properly, a wedding celebration; (figuratively) the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which begins with Christ glorifying all the saints (OT, NT) at His return. This eschatological celebration is described in Mt 22:2-10 and Rev 19:7-9 – "and apparently occurs at the final day of the seven-year Tribulation" (G. Archer). For more discussion, see 4394/prophēteia ("prophecy) and 110/athanasia ("the divine investiture of immortality") at the return of Christ.

Is there some life and death dimension on the line here???
Some doctrinal pitfall that is irredeemable to those heretics that would dare insert " wed" for the only possible true rendition of "marrige"

Again...what is this hair splitting about?
Some doctrine that hinges on making sure "wedding" never fouls the pure air of doctrinal purity??????
I would say that such a doctrine or silly position is 100 red flags.

Rebuilder....
I didn't mean to split hairs.
This is not an important topic for me.
I was just trying to explain my understanding of the difference between a marriage and a wedding, which is a celebration.

The marriage supper of the Lamb IS a celebration.

 

[GodsGrace]

Until the 16th century the union formed the marriage, ceremony or not. Exactly that! Even if you had a ceremony the union formed a marriage. It is an absolute fact that the scriptures do not require a ceremony to be married.....No description of a ceremony. It is exactly as God said .....For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.....no ceremony....no clergy.....no witnesses. A man and woman could be out in the wilderness and decide they love one another and make love and they were married. The truth can be shocking!

And I want to give this guidance…..If a couple that has not had a ceremony comes to your church….welcome them with open arms and love them. Let Christ work on their hearts. Let association and acceptance and love of Christians guide them in this matter.

Where does divorce come in?
Divorce is mentioned in the OT and the NT.
I know a couple that are not married in a church.
He was never married....she had been married and divorced.
They never got married in church.
As you know, I live in Italy....the church did not recognize their union until
Pope Francis made his declaration in about 2015 that some of these unions could be
legitimate.

IOW,,,,WHAT makes the two be married?

Cana was a wedding celebration.
Mary and Joseph were BETHROED.
The betrothal period lasted a year.
And then?
There was some kind of celebration and then the couple went to live together.
Is this correct?

 

[GodsGrace]

I have made it clear that one, there is no requirement in the scriptures…Old or New Testament for a wedding ceremony to be married….I have also made it clear that the word wedding does not occur in the scriptures.

So what do you think this parable of the ten virgins was about?
More accurately where does it come from?
You will find nothing like it elsewhere in the scriptures.
Nor was any marriage ceremony called a wedding by Jews or Christians or Pagans until around 900 AD. The word wedding comes from Old English, Old Norse, Danish, and German.

But the parable that Christ told was about a marriage ceremony – the ten virgins was very similar to a wedding ceremony and it was actually about a ceremony that was practiced by the Jews…..so why isn’t in the scriptures?

Tough question? To answer this you would have to do some research. But not in the scriptures…..in history….between the Old and New Testaments. Very few know the answer to this….it is mostly a college thing. But I will save you the time and effort.

Towards the end of the OT the Jews fell under the “friendly” rule of the Persians. The Persians were known for their elaborate marriage ceremonies that could last for a week. The Jews developed their own marriage ceremonies during this time. It is thought that they did this because they admired the Persian marriage ceremonies. They were not required but supposedly they became popular.

When the Persians were conquered by Alexander the great in 334 BC the Jews and Greeks developed a hatred for each other and for centuries the Jews were persecuted and killed….thousands were crucified and impaled on stakes. As the Greco-Roman society developed the hatred continued and there were a few Jewish revolts more or less declaring war on the Romans. Mostly gorilla type warfare…. thousands were killed and thousands crucified. Back then breeding your enemy out of existence was practiced by taking their wives and impregnating them.

Over time the Jews reasoned that God let this happen to them then and in the OT for having friendly relations with Pagans and the Jewish marriage ceremony fell out of favor because of its connection to the Persians. During Christ’s time it was not a common practice, that is why it is not mentioned in the scriptures. We do not know if the marriage at Cana. (Marriage at Cana, not Wedding at Cana) was one of these marriage ceremonies. The story picks up at the reception and we do not know who was getting married nor why it was important to Christ and His mother.

Some believe it was between His mother and Lazarus. That is why Lazarus’ death was so significant to Christ and the family setting. But it is only speculation because the scriptures do not confirm this.

As time went on the Jews started conducting these ceremonies again but it was still not required. Aspects of this Jewish marriage ceremony appear in modern Jewish weddings.

The Protestants made wedding ceremonies a requirement to be married….in the 16th century….church weddings. Shortly after that the Catholics and Jews followed suit.

Just saw this.
No need to reply to my other post.

 

[Grailhunter]

Where does divorce come in?
Divorce is mentioned in the OT and the NT.
I know a couple that are not married in a church.
He was never married....she had been married and divorced.
They never got married in church.
As you know, I live in Italy....the church did not recognize their union until
Pope Francis made his declaration in about 2015 that some of these unions could be
legitimate.

IOW,,,,WHAT makes the two be married?

Cana was a wedding celebration.
Mary and Joseph were BETHROED.
The betrothal period lasted a year.
And then?
There was some kind of celebration and then the couple went to live together.
Is this correct?

Well Jewish side of this is complicated. You have three different periods. The Old Testament….In between the Testaments…..and the things that Christ said about divorce.

I will deal with the Christian side first, we can get to the Jewish side later. The Law-custom of giving a wife a letter of divorcement does not follow into Christianity. Technically there is no process for divorce in the Christianity. Paul discusses couples that “put away” one or the other. And does not recommend them remarrying.

What all does that mean? It brings up a lot of questions for then and how it applies for today. Who got the children? Because the conversation is short we do not truthfully have a lot of guidance. So what biblical guidance can anyone give?

My step dad shot my mom point blank in the chest with a .38 Special. She lived. Should she have left him? Should she have remarried? They were always fighting like that.

I can tell you what I think and I can tell you what I believe, I can tell you what I have done. More or less divorce for a Jewish woman was a death sentence or total destitution. I don’t see a failed marriage should be that way for Christians. But today Christians are confused in how to handle these difficulties. Just saying do not separate from your spouse or divorce as we call it today is not guidance.

I fall back on the belief, do all things in love. A couple that is not getting along should try to work it out….counseling. If that does not work they need to remember that they were in love at one time and should always treat each other kindly even if they are not together or even if they are married to other people. Now a days women usually get the children, but should the children be denied the chance of having a relationship with their father? So what happens is an extended family.

I say that that family should be friendly to the point that they can share time and holidays together. That is what I have done with my ex-wife. To do that you need to do the divorce yourself. Lawyers and courts are there to make you hate each other.

As far as divorces and remarrying, it should not be a concern for the church. Casual sex is another matter.

You asked….. What makes the two be married? The union forms the marriage….it always has and it always will. I can say love and the union forms the marriage. A monogamous couple is married wheather or not they had a ceremony. Like I have said, you will not find a requirement for a ceremony to be married in the scriptures. Is it best to have a church wedding? Yes yes yes

And if a couple that has not had a wedding is in your church, let time and Christ work on their hearts….Keep them in church and love them and hope they come around.

You reference Cana….
The event at Cana was a marriage….something….we do not know because the story picks up at the reception. But again the word wed or wedding does not occur in the scriptures. What a wedding is today, does not occur in the scriptures….The Gentiles brought in their custom of marriage ceremonies and Christianity adopted those customs…..and they evolved into what we know as weddings.

And as far as Miriam and Joseph? The scriptures do not tell us the details of all that. Christ was not born out of “wed lock” In Judaism being betrothed was more serious than being engaged. And of course their situation was more complex.

Hope this helps. God Bless as always….

 

[rebuilder 454]

i too disagree in your which ever holeing you crawled out from.

What a nasty man.
Really nasty and vile.
Pigeon holing is simply sorting things out

The trib vs wrath position overstepps what the Bible indicates as a period of great tribulation of 7 years.
You know WHY they do that?????
DOCTRINAL ERROR

THEY ARE PIGEON HOLING TRIB VS GREAT TRIB VS WRATH.
ACTUALLY FORMING THEIR DOCTRINE FROM THAT STARTING POINT.

THEY ARE SCREWED UP , AND THAT MESS TAKES THEM FOR A MADE UP DOCTRINAL ADVENTURE OF INVENTION.

 

[mailmandan]

" their lamps went out" ( the 5 foolish had oil, but it got depleated.)
( like those in the 7 letters to the seven churches)
Yep.
They had oil.

But believe whatever you will.
I am just reporting the facts.
The facts are the components of the parable.

If you change them, it is because you need then changed for whatever reason.

You sound overconfident and puffed up which makes it less likely for me to seriously consider anything you have to say. Here is a more detailed explanation of the parable of the ten virgins.

26. The Ten Virgins: What It Means to Be Ready (Matthew 25:1-13) | Bible.org

April 10, 2005 265 1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of the virgins were foolish, and five were wise. 3 When the foolish ones took their lamps, they did not take extra266 olive oil with them. 4 But the...

bible.org

 

[GodsGrace]

You sound overconfident and puffed up which makes it less likely for me to seriously consider anything you have to say. Here is a more detailed explanation of the parable of the ten virgins.

26. The Ten Virgins: What It Means to Be Ready (Matthew 25:1-13) | Bible.org

April 10, 2005 265 1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of the virgins were foolish, and five were wise. 3 When the foolish ones took their lamps, they did not take extra266 olive oil with them. 4 But the...

bible.org

Dan....Link is too long so I didn't read all of it.
My feeling is that the parable is regarding being ready.
It might, and is probably, speaking to the end times...but it's also true that for ME, the end could come at any moment...
I mean...for all of us (not sick or anything).
So we should ALWAYS be ready for meeting with God.

As to the asking for some oil.....
We each must have "our own" oil...
We go to heaven on our own....not through hanging on to anyone else.

Also, I don't see the Holy Spirit in this parable, aside from the fact that He's everywhere and at all times,,,,
I think saying that the oil represents the Holy Spirit might not be correct.
Maybe the oil is what we need to be ready?
Basically love and treating others with love.
Maybe doing what we can to make this a better world.

Never spent too much time on this parable...
it seems so simple.

Any other thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Ritajanice]

Beautifully said and understood.

Short comnentary.

What does the oil symbolize in the Holy Spirit?
In the Bible, oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit's presence and his anointing. To stay filled with the Holy Spirit, we must continually seek, receive, and rely on the Lord, nourishing our spirits with His Word. Just as a lamp without oil cannot shine, we must trust in the Lord, persevere, and keep our focus on Jesus.

RJ says, seek him out with a sincere/ honest heart..there you will find him.

 

[mailmandan]

Dan....Link is too long so I didn't read all of it.
My feeling is that the parable is regarding being ready.
It might, and is probably, speaking to the end times...but it's also true that for ME, the end could come at any moment...
I mean...for all of us (not sick or anything).
So we should ALWAYS be ready for meeting with God.

As to the asking for some oil.....
We each must have "our own" oil...
We go to heaven on our own....not through hanging on to anyone else.

Also, I don't see the Holy Spirit in this parable, aside from the fact that He's everywhere and at all times,,,,
I think saying that the oil represents the Holy Spirit might not be correct.
Maybe the oil is what we need to be ready?
Basically love and treating others with love.
Maybe doing what we can to make this a better world.

Never spent too much time on this parable...
it seems so simple.

Any other thoughts would be appreciated.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the bottom line, regardless of how one interprets all the details of this parable is to be ready.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus told the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matt 25:


The oil symbolizes spiritual preparedness.


But, if we look at this story in a literal sense, the "wise virgins" who brought oil for their lamps do not show the generosity or doing on to others that Jesus' other parables emphasize.

Right, but that would be straining the parable beyond its legitimate design. Not every aspect of a parable is meant to have a legitimate interpretation. That's the definition of a parable.

Isn't giving to those who do not have means a tenant of Jesus' teachings?

Right, but here, the oil represents the individual's own preparedness. By definition, you are responsible for your own preparedness. The dealers represent the pastors and teachers who are supposed to help with your preparations. In a way, they may have failed to do their job properly teaching the foolish virgins.

So, why are the ten wise virgins rewarded for denying their sisters?

They are not. They are rewarded for their own wise preparations.

Why do the wise virgins not share their oil with the foolish virgins?

By definition, they can't. Working out your salvation is your own responsibility.

Good questions.

Love Ephesians 5:13-20 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever does make manifest is light. [14] Wherefore he saith, Awake you that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light. [15] See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, [16] Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. [17] Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. [18] And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; [19] Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; [20] Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(We have to remember prior to the crucifixion not one had done good, no not one. Jesus is giving them a parable. We contradict ourselves I think in when our lamps go out, it is Christ we ask for His Light to be given unto us for we are in great need of Him. And what does Christ do? Does He say nay, least there not be enough for you and Me?” Even Paul said what had been given unto Paul of the Lord “I gave unto you.”

Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

‘But understanding what the will of the Lord is.’ What is the Will of the Lord? A few verses, there is a lot concerning the Will of God.

Mark 3:34-35 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! [35] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-3 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as you have received of us how you ought to walk and to please God, so you would abound more and more. [2] For you know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. [3] For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that you should abstain from fornication:

1 Thessalonians 5:15-21 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. [16] Rejoice evermore. [17] Pray without ceasing. [18] In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. [19] Quench not the Spirit. [20] Despise not prophesyings. [21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1 Peter 2:12-16 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. [13] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [14] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. [15] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: [16] As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

What is “but as the servants of God”? How does that apply to the ten virgins which all slept? What did they awaken to? If it the Voice of Christ then is it not “Awake you that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.” Awake up to obedience unto righteousness! What is to awake to obedience unto righteousness? What is “arise from the dead!” What does this appear as?

1 Peter 5:2-5 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not with greed but with eagerness(what is but with eagerness?) ; [3] nor (not) yet as domineering over those assigned to your care, but by proving to be examples to the flock. [4] And when the Chief Shepherd appears(isn’t this who the Virgins wait for?), you will receive the unfading crown of glory. [5] You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because God is opposed to the proud, but He gives grace to the humble.