How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Ritajanice]

It's funny.....everything you state is true...100% true.

But, unfortunately, you don't UNDERSTAND what is being said in the NT.

Ok, then explain where I don’t understand?

And I don't say this to be mean-hearted....it's just the simple truth.

Then please prove what I have said is wrong.

Sis, you can say whatever you like to me, I take no offence..

 

[Ritajanice]

Didn't say you were rude.
Don't have much time to spend on here....
can't keep repeating the same stuff to you over and over.
That's all.

I don’t understand, you ceased discussion with me and gave no reason..

 

[Behold]

We must be Born Again to see the kingdom of God..the Spirit births our spirit into His...he doesn’t say we are Born Again by revealing himself to our heart.

Noone is posting that you are born again by the revelation of Jesus as your Sin bearer.

However, unless the revelation of Jesus as your sin bearer, is revealed to your heart, then you would not understand WHY you need to BELIEVE.

So, you have to have the revelation, first.......so that you can then know WHY you are believing, and why you should..., and then you DO... and that is your FAITH, in Christ..
God takes that Faith, yours and accepts it... as our "faith is counted by God".. and then He forgives your sin, and THEN, now sinless, God can join Himself to you, and that is the Holy Spirit giving you the "new birth"... = born again.

 

[Ritajanice]

100% disagree with Behold post above, why ,because none of it is from the word of God, with respect, it sounds like it comes either from his own personal belief system, in how he personally understands scripture...or someone has taught him.
.not one word from him resonates with my spirit.his words are full of confusion,imo.

He just can’t seem to understand that supernatural faith is a gift from God..

The Spirit must penetrate our spirit, and birth us into Christ ,before we can ever believe in our heart , that is where we believe ,it’s by the grace of God that we believe in our heart.

Spirit must give birth to our spirit, we are supernaturally birthed ,by Gods Witness ,the Living Holy Spirit..all biblical.

Man has no idea how to believe in God,simply,because man has no power in self.

All power comes from the Spirit of God.

 

[Behold]

100% disagree with Behold post above, why ,because none of it is from the word of God, with respect, it sounds like it comes either from his own personal belief system, in how he personally understands scripture...or someone has taught him.
.not one word from him resonates with my spirit.his words are full of confusion,imo.

When you first came to the forum, you stated the opposite.

At that time, you had begun to leave Calvinism.

Now, when i simply state that God draws us to The Cross, and this is the Holy Spirit revealing Jesus, to our hearts..so that we can place our Faith in Christ..... Im sharing what i was sharing that you use to "Hear".
See, i have not changed my Teaching.

What has changed is that you fell back into Calvinism, all the way to the bottom.... and once that happened, you can't hear anything else, or believe anything else, as that is what Calvinism does to its disciples.

 

[GodsGrace]

When you first came to the forum, you stated the opposite.

At that time, you had begun to leave Calvinism.

Now, when i simply state that God draws us to The Cross, and this is the Holy Spirit revealing Jesus, to our hearts... Im sharing what i was sharing that you use to "Hear".
See, i have not changed my Teaching.

What has changed is that you fell back into Calvinism, all the way to the bottom.... and once that happened, you can't hear anything else, or believe anything else, as that is what Calvinism does to its disciples.

What requires TEACHING,,,as the other member accused you of having been exposed to....is CALVINISM.

There is NO WAY a person could read the NT on their own and come away thinking that God willfully chooses some to go to hell.
A person cannot read the gospels, come to know Jesus, and come away with such a horrifying idea.

The NT clearly teaches that man is a sinner....
in need of salvation....
God loves mankind....
and was willing to SEND HIS SON as an atonement....
so that salvation is possible for every single human being that wants it....
as long as they accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Simple.

 

[Ritajanice]

When I first came here, I was exactly where God wanted me to be.

I am now exactly where God wants me to be,I’m in his will, always have been, I am posting exactly what he is placing on my heart to post and will continue to do so.

I serve the Lord and no other...His will be done.my opinion/ belief.

I love discussing the Lord, especially now that I’m in the Spirit and not the self seeking self.

Praise God for heart revelation.

God draws us to Jesus not the cross..it’s because of the cross, that God can now draw us to Jesus.

 

[Skovand]

The Bible does not really uphold systematic theology when held under the magnifying glass of scholarly biblical criticism and so some believe in this and some believe in that because the Bible says different things at different spaces that thousands of years of dot connecting and cherry picking has been used to overcome it resulting in denominationalism and this begin before the develop of Christianity within ancient Judaism itself.

 

[Behold]

When I first came here, I was exactly where God wanted me to be.

Yes, when you came here, you were on track.. as you were almost out of Calvinism...... and you fell back in to it...., and now you are teaching Calvinism.
You are teaching that you were born again in sin........not forgiven yet...

That is the false teaching that you were born again, to then have Faith.

"born again to THEN Believe".

And that is backwards.......as God requires YOUR FAITH, FIRST = to then forgive you of your sin... so that after you are forgiven, The Holy Spirit can give you the "born again".

You are lost in this....>>"no, i was born again to then be able to believe".. and that is not true.. as that is teaching that God joined Himself to an unforgiven sinner, so that you could then have faith to believe in Christ.

That never happened., as it can't happen.


Jesus is not a Calvinist.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sorry, Behold ,none of what you say is biblical, that’s why it doesn’t resonate with my spirit,why, because “ you”are the teacher ,with respect.
.if what I post agrees with Calvin, then all I can say is, what I post is what the Spirit speaks through-me,that is my opinion /belief.

All that I’ve been through on the forum, is of the Lord, 100% my belief..
He has taught me much here ,he has taught me about manipulation, he has taught me to understand his scripture in the spirit, he has also taught me a heck of a lot about myself.
The Spirit has taught me all I know...not Calvin, if you want to play that card, no problem.

Whatever I believe God wants me to post, there is no question it will be done, and done with respect.

There is no way Behold..that you could ever be my teacher ,or anyone else for that matter.
.only the Holy Spirit can teach his child.

 

[Behold]

Sorry, Behold ,none of what you say is biblical,

The reason you believe its not "biblical" is because i dont teach Calvinism.

If i teach it, you will "find that inner feeling"... and that feeling... that connects you to Calvin's Theology, is not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit didnt create Calvinism, and never will the Holy Spirit lead anyone to a "doctrine of Devil's", such as Calvinism.

Calvinism, and especially Hyper-Calvinism, which is a hyper-emphasis on the "TULIP" Doctrine, is a Cross Denying, Lie.

God is not a Calvinist.

God makes CHRISTians.

Calvin makes Calvinists.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are a teacher of” yourself,” Behold, said with respect, good day, Sir.

 

[Behold]

You are a teacher of yourself, Behold, said with respect, good day, Sir.

I always have hope that you will come back to the right side.

Listen..., I only teach Paul's Doctrine., specifically, and Calvin's theology is not "of Paul", and its not "of God".

Its all "of Calvin">
That's why its called ......... you guessed it.........CALVINISM.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Behold]

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

This verse you posted..... is one of the verses that Calvin twisted... into Calvinism.

Notice the verse says....>" Whom He (God) Foreknew...God (he) also predestined to be conformed into the IMAGE of His Son"..

This means that once you are born again "in Christ".. you are predestined, afterwards, to be "conformed into the Image of Christ".

Now, here is Calvin's lie.... as he teaches this verse.

"In God's foreknowledge , before you were born, you were pre-destined to become born again, as the Elect".

See that?
That is a complete reworking (twisting) of the Verse, that changes the "conforming into the image of Christ".. that is predestined, which happens when you are RAPTURED............ Calvin reworks the verse, twists the verse to teach that you are pre-destined to be born again.

There is no "born again" in the verse, but its in Calvin's theology.

And once Calvin's verse twisting becomes how the person SEES the verses, is when Calvinism has "bewitched" them, as Paul teaches.. .as = "WHO has bewitched you" ?????...

 

[Ritajanice]

Correct, we were chosen and predestined to be conformed into the image of Jesus, why, because we are Born Again, in the will of the Father.

The Spirit works in our hearts, because we are Born Again, you will notice, less and less of self, you will notice more of Jesus fruit, fruit that will last ,you will also notice Jesus character shining through, we are to emulate Jesus...the power of the Spirit at work in our hearts is mind blowing...all according to his purpose and plan...the power is in the Spirit, the self wants to take all the glory away from God,..only God won’t allow it on my shift.

All Glory to you Father God, Praise Jesus for his death on the cross.

Thank you Lord that I am in your will, it’s been 33 yrs, one heck of a journey..forever growing and coming to your truth!!

 

[Behold]

Correct, we were chosen and predestined to be conformed into the image of Jesus, why, because we are Born Again, in the will of the Father.

Yes.
After we are born again.......we are now going into that predestination.......to be "conformed".

This conforming, is not the "born again" part...... the conforming is the "predestined" part = that happens AFTER, you are born again.

See, we have to be "IN CHRIST" (born again) and from THERE... we are NOW become " Predestined to be conformed"

Calvin changed that into.>>"you are predestined to be born again", or you are "predestined to NOT be allowed to be born again".

Calvin is actually a terrible theologian, but he is a cunning liar, and his lies sound like truth., as that is the demonic power in His teaching..that "bewitches".. as Paul teaches.

 

[Ritajanice]

We were predestined to be Born Again children, before the foundation of the world.

Just like Jesus was predestined to become the sacrificial Lamb.

He was chosen to represent God, we we were chosen to Glorify God,Jesus, and grow in spirit knowledge ,plus to mature in our spirit....the maturity of Christ, I will never reach..,,oh I pray to be like you Jesus, mature me with your Holy Power that’s within my spirit, let my heart yearn for your heart..

Short commentary.

And across these different genres of Psalms, the Psalmists all describe a yearning for God–a seeking after and searching for God. The Psalmists desire God's presence and activity in their life. Take a look at a few examples: Psalm 25 (attributed to David) says, “Make your ways known to me, Lord; teach me your paths.

 

[Behold]

We were predestined to be Born Again children,

You just posted that we are "foreknown by God" to be "predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ".

So, you have to be born again first.........to then be = """predestined to be conformed."""

Your verse says the pre-destining.. that is foreknown by God, is to be " conformed into Christ".

Its CALVINISM that twists that verse into.. "predestined to be born again, or predestined to NOT be born again".

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh to hear the words from God..music to his children’s ears.

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◄ Ephesians 1 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians (Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory.