How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Ritajanice]

No one can resist the will of God.
The question is this:
Does God force our every move?

God doesn’t converse with us about becoming Born Again..it’s a mystery, I have no idea, when you say, does God force our every move?

His will be done, simple as that, force doesn’t even come into it,. I am going to not answer the rest of your questions, reason being, you should be asking God, not me, with respect.

Do you understand God’s will?

Can Gods will be thwarted ?..

John 1​

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[Behold]

I am Born Again, having never read a Bible,

Did you ever read "the Acts of the Apostles".

Paul for example, started these Churches.

Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesisans
Thessalonians.

See those , those are CHURCHES... those are Believers, and none of them had a bible.
And none of them were pre-destined to be forced (pre-chosen) to become a believer.

Calvinism, as TULIP is a lie.
Its causes its disciples to teach lies, because they are deceived by it.
Not a good situation, to be one of those.

 

[Windmill Charge]

1. What did God know?
2. What did God preordain?
3. What comes first.....salvation or faith?

1 what does God know? Omniscience is all knowing God knows everything.
2 what did God preordain? As acts 4:28 says . "They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen." He decides what will happen according to his purpose.
3. What comes first salvation or faith? Epesian2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
God gives us the faith to believe, we do not manufacture or produce faith.

 

[Scott Downey]

For all of Matthew 13, Jesus does not teach free will.
Jesus teaches just as a 'calvinist' does
I know that is a trigger word.
The free will choice is God's alone to make, not the will of man.

Because no one knows God and Christ unless God and Christ wills them to know the truth.
For some they have not been given by God the Father to know, which is why Christ spoke to the people in parables,
God and Christ have chosen whom will know them and who will not know God.

That is the mystery of His will. God determines that in Himself.

Matthew 13

On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

The Purpose of Parables​

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The Parable of the Sower Explained​

18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”


v23 describes those who are saved as they bear good fruit to God who works within them.
The reason they understand is God has granted them to know.

Matthew 3:10
And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

God won't accept fakes, no fake news with God.
Those who do the will of God in heaven are those who are obedient to the message of the gospel.

Matthew 7
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You​

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[Scott Downey]

What then?
Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

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I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

 

[Windmill Charge]

However, Paul does not teach that.

Paul does teach predestination read please, Romans 9:6-29

Particularly verse 22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.

 

[GodsGrace]

God doesn’t converse with us about becoming Born Again..it’s a mystery, I have no idea, when you say, does God force our every move?

Calvinists believe that God forces our every move.
I mean from when you get up in the morning to when you go to bed at night.
Calvinists believe God predestined EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens...everything.

It's not a mystery as to HOW a person can become born again.
Jesus and Paul and all the writers of the NT love to explain to us how we can be born again and be saved forever.

JESUS said that whoever believes in Him will be saved.
John 3:16

That is not a mysterious statement....Jesus meant what He said.
Jesus said REPENT for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Matthew 4:17

So,,,,,HOW do we become born again?
We repent
We believe

And then God comes into our heart and changes us forever.

His will be done, simple as that, force doesn’t even come into it,. I am going to not answer the rest of your questions, reason being, you should be asking God, not me, with respect.

According to Calvinism force DOES come into it.
Force comes into everything we do.
THIS is what Calvinism teaches.

I know what the NT teaches.
I'm not asking you questions because I need to learn something new.
I ask you questions to make you think and understand what you're believing.
Calvinism is a lie...it is not biblical....it is not what Jesus taught.

God wants as many persons as possible to be born again.
God let's us KNOW HOW to become born again.
REPENT
BELIEVE

No mystery.

Do you understand God’s will?

Can Gods will be thwarted ?..

God's will cannot be thwarted.

Question is: WHAT IS GOD'S WILL?

Is God's will that everyone should be saved...
1 Timothy 2:4

OR

Is God's will that just a select few will be saved and He just sends everyone else to hell.

This is the question that must be answered by each one of us individually.

John 1​

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Verse 13.....we are born of the will of God.
NOT by our good works.
NOT by anything we could do for ourselves.
BUT BY THE WILL OF GOD.

Again: What IS the will of God?

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul does teach predestination read please, Romans 9:6-29

Particularly verse 22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.

Windmill Charge....
If you want to discuss Romans chapters 9, 10 and 11, I'd be willing and I'm sure so would @Behold ....
but perhaps you don't understand that it's speaking about Israel....about corporate salvation
AND NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL SALVATION.

God bore with great patience the object of His wrath....
THE ISRAELI NATION......

Perhaps you should study up on Romans 9, 10 and 11.

You can start here --- or anyone else that is interested in knowing the NT well.

Romans 9-11: A New View of the Doctrine of Election

Unfortunate debate over Romans 9-11

I wrote this because of the temptation to focus so much on debated doctrines in Romans 9-11 that we miss the need to humbly worship the God who is revealed so amazingly in these chapters. I also s…

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Romans 9, 10, and 11 – Part 1

This post is the first in a series on chapters 9, 10, and 11 of the book of Romans. Each part is adapted from an essay I wrote from my personal study of this passage. The essay can be found here. D…

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[GodsGrace]

1 what does God know? Omniscience is all knowing God knows everything.
2 what did God preordain? As acts 4:28 says . "They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen." He decides what will happen according to his purpose.
3. What comes first salvation or faith? Epesian2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
God gives us the faith to believe, we do not manufacture or produce faith.

You haven't replied to my question about your belief system.
You SOUND Calvinist.....but I'm encountering persons here with odd beliefs....
so I'll hold off until you state your system of belief.

Just quick:
Acts 4:28 is speaking about the death of Jesus and how it brought about salvation.
OF COURSE God planned for our salvation after Adam fell.

ALL CHRISTIANS believe this.

As to Ephesians 2:8 GRACE IS A GIFT. FAITH IS A GIFT. SALVATION IS A GIFT.

Faith is A GIFT.
Someone offers a gift.
Another accepts it.

God DOES NOT FORCE the gift of faith on anyone...
they must accept it.

Read again the part about how we are saved BY FAITH.....
by our faith....
by our believeing.

This requires free will action.

 

[Ritajanice]

Calvinists believe that God forces our every move.
I mean from when you get up in the morning to when you go to bed at night.
Calvinists believe God predestined EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens...everything.

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Proverbs 16:9​

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9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

It's not a mystery as to HOW a person can become born again.
Jesus and Paul and all the writers of the NT love to explain to us how we can be born again and be saved forever.

JESUS said that whoever believes in Him will be saved.
John 3:16

That is not a mysterious statement....Jesus meant what He said.
Jesus said REPENT for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
Matthew 4:17

So,,,,,HOW do we become born again?
We repent
We believe

And then God comes into our heart and changes us forever.

Sorry don’t agree, I’ve already posted how God brings our spirit Alive in Christ..” we”do nothing, God brings us to repentance ,etc,etc, “ we” haven’t a clue how to repent,etc,etc..you have posted “ your”belief, my belief disagrees with your belief..on how we become Born Again.

You never know or when ,time or place that a person becomes Born of the Spirit, just as his word says.

According to Calvinism force DOES come into it.
Force comes into everything we do.
THIS is what Calvinism teaches.

I know what the NT teaches.
I'm not asking you questions because I need to learn something new.
I ask you questions to make you think and understand what you're believing.
Calvinism is a lie...it is not biblical....it is not what Jesus taught.

I don’t believe as you believe don’t worry about my salvation,I’m in Jesus hands..

God wants as many persons as possible to be born again.
God let's us KNOW HOW to become born again.
REPENT
BELIEVE

No mystery.

That’s not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit , already explained above..I’m afraid you can’t work for your salvation,Faith is a gift from God..

God's will cannot be thwarted.

Question is: WHAT IS GOD'S WILL?

That’s what I asked you, if you don’t know God’s will, I can’t help you I’m afraid, he leads me every day to do his will...don’t you know in your heart/spirit, that when you are Born Again, you’re in the will of God!

You must be Born Again to be in the will of God...Born Of The Spirit.

Matthew 7:21-23​

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21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Is God's will that everyone should be saved...
1 Timothy 2:4

OR

Is God's will that just a select few will be saved and He just sends everyone else to hell.

This is the question that must be answered by each one of us individually.

Gods will, not your will, not my will, Gods will be done, whatever he wills ,will be done.

Verse 13.....we are born of the will of God.
NOT by our good works.
NOT by anything we could do for ourselves.
BUT BY THE WILL OF GOD.

Again: What IS the will of God?

Explained above.

 

[Behold]

1 what does God know? Omniscience is all knowing God knows everything.

God's Foreknowledge is what you are trying to explain.

God's Foreknowledge is that God knows everything that is going to happen next.

So, John Calvin did not understand this, so he redefined "God's Foreknowledge" as "God pre-destines "...

Calvin and His deceived Disciples, cannot understand or comprehend that God knowing everything that is going to happen next, is not the same as God God pre-destining.


So, Calvin changed God KNOWS who is going to trust in Christ and be born again... INTO.. the false theology that says God CAUSES it, and pre-destines it...

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
God

Its the GIFT of God's GRACE, that is "not of yourselves".......as the Faith is yours.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As you can see....there is no conflict in the two verses.
And, as you can see,,,,it is all done through free will.

God forces no one to love Him or to follow Him.
He requires free will love- love that is coerced means nothing even to us humans.....even more so to God.

Of course there is no conflict for the Father does not draw believers to HImself but to Jesus!

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvinists believe that God forces our every move.
I mean from when you get up in the morning to when you go to bed at night.
Calvinists believe God predestined EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens...everything.

That is incorrect.

 

[Behold]

Of course there is no conflict for the Father does not draw believers to HImself but to Jesus!

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

According to your false teaching...

Calvinists teach that God Himself, decided that some of your family........could not trust in Christ, and so some already died, or will later, and will go to Hell.

Calvinism (TULIP) teaches that God pre-chose some of your family to go to Hell, because GOD HIMSELF, wont allow them to Trust in Christ.

In Fact John CALVINISM does not even KNOW the Father of Jesus The Christ, according to His Theology, that denies The Cross and SPITS on the Grace of God.

Now, you can "play dumb" and not understand that "God choosing some to believe" is not the same as God causing the rest to burn in the Lake of Fire, because Calvin teaches that God would not choose them to believe in Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Father, through grace, draws all persons to Himself...
See Romans 1:19-20 God has been known from the beginning through the creation....even BEFORE the bible was even written....

Incorrect, the Father draws people to Jesus , not HImself.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

his is very nice of you Ronald.
Just one little problem:
I don't know who Arminius was and I don't care.
I don't know his 5 points and I don't care.

I care about what the NT teaches...
What Jesus teaches and what the writers of the NT teach.
AND THEY DID NOT TEACH CALVINISM.

Well in this discussion one either believes in the points of Calvin or the points of Jacob Arminius. Both cite Scriptures and there is no other belief that can be inferred from Scripture other than these two

Now,,,,I have been studying Calvinism for quite a number of years now because I find that it TRICKS many into believing its lies.
I do my best to counter this horrific distortion of the love and mercy and justice of God.

Now...why don't YOU take each of the 5 points of Calvinism,,,,make your best case for each one....and I'll be happy to reply.

Well as you may not have seen the other ten times I have posted the five points with Scripture I will do so again.

God forces no one to love Him or to follow Him.
He requires free will love- love that is coerced means nothing even to us humans.....even more so to God.

Scripture to suppost this conjecture?

Now for the five points:

T= total depravity. succinctly stated this does not mean a person is as bad as they can be, but is as bad off as they can be. all people are lost.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
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John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

U= Unconditional election. This simply states that a man does not need to perform any deeds to come to Jesus to be accepted.

Ephesians 2:7-9

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7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 10:9-13

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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

L= Limited Atone ment This simply means that only the elect and the drawn have their sins erased! While Jesus is the propitiation (acceptable sacrifice) for the sins of the world and can be the atonement (erasure) of the sins of the world, one has to receive it.

John 3:18

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18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36

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36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 9:14-24

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14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Ephesians 1:4-5

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4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:28-31

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28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

I=Irresistible Grace. simply means the elect are drawn to Jesus by God, Called, foreknown, predestined and chosen.

All the verses for irresistible grace and:

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

Romans 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

P=Perseverance of the saints- this simply means once saved always saved.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 3:36

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36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Colossians 3:2-4

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2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory



There are many more I could add but these should be enough. Try to refute these if you can.

But as to whether an unsaved person can freely choose Jesus in their unsaved state:

Romans 8:6-8

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6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 Corinthians 2:14

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Romans 3:10-12

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10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You mean to say, that you can't understand that both the Father and Son are "ONE" and The Holy Spirit is the same.

They all share the same divinity but they are separate beings, unless you are a tri-modalist.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

"The riches of His Glory" is "The Gift of Salvation" is the context.

"He had afore prepared unto glory".... is the "foreknowledge of God, ..those...who are "predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ"......after they are '"IN Christ".
So, the pre-destining,, is subsequent to being born again..

Wrong again.

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

It was done before He even spoke the universe into existence! And the verse above showed He did it ahead of time! not subsequent to. Your lousy grammatic skills are showing again. Seriously this is second grade grammar.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And Yes, God and Christ both "DRAW".. ALL, and those who will believe, become "in Christ".

"Vessels fitted for Destruction" are both those who are in Hell, and those who are waiting to God, as defined by this verse.

You use such a horrendous unbiblical exegesis.

The vessels fitted for destruction are just like the vessels of Glory, they are prepared ahead of time! You really should work on your English grammar before you try to pass yourself off as a bible teacher.

So you attempted to reply to a few verses. That is a good start! But can you put aside your venomous hatred of teh brethren long enough to answer the other verses from Gods Word?

and when you make comments as you did (that is eisegesis not exegesis) please support your hypotheses with Scripture itself for a change.

 

[GodsGrace]

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Proverbs 16:9​

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9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

Sorry don’t agree, I’ve already posted how God brings our spirit Alive in Christ..” we”do nothing, God brings us to repentance ,etc,etc, “ we” haven’t a clue how to repent,etc,etc..you have posted “ your”belief, my belief disagrees with your belief..on how we become Born Again.

You never know or when ,time or place that a person becomes Born of the Spirit, just as his word says.

I don’t believe as you believe don’t worry about my salvation,I’m in Jesus hands..

That’s not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit , already explained above..I’m afraid you can’t work for your salvation,Faith is a gift from God..

That’s what I asked you, if you don’t know God’s will, I can’t help you I’m afraid, he leads me every day to do his will...don’t you know in your heart/spirit, that when you are Born Again, you’re in the will of God!

You must be Born Again to be in the will of God...Born Of The Spirit.

Matthew 7:21-23​

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21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Gods will, not your will, not my will, Gods will be done, whatever he wills ,will be done.

Explained above.

I'm not worried about your salvation.
And it's nice that you'd like to help me know God's will.
But I think I'll do OK on my own.

 

[GodsGrace]

They all share the same divinity but they are separate beings, unless you are a tri-modalist.

Pretty funny.....
God is ONE BEING....
IF He were 3 beings, it means there would be 3 Gods.

I would say that you meant 3 PERSONS.
And people are not TRI-MODALISTS.
They are just MODALISTS....if that's what they believe.

I wonder if you also take this type of understanding also to the bible......
I've always wondered how anybody could believe the reformed faith.
Guess it might be because the NT is not understood....