How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Ronald Nolette]

That's very true.
And when this truth that God Draws us all to Himself.... becomes..>>"no, He only draws the pre-destined, pre-chosen", then the Devil's lie has arrived to try to deny the Cross.

Here is The Cross........

JESUS SAID... "If i be lifted up (on The Cross), then, I will DRAW (HolySpirit)= ALL (men) (everyone) to MYSELF"..

There is Satanic THEOLOGY that denies that TRUTH, as it teaches that Jesus does not DRAW "ALL" but that He only calls the "predestine, pre-chosen" before they were born.

That is a SATANIC Lie, a "doctrine of Devils"/

See this is where y9our sloppy habits and poor reading skills have let you lie, lie, lie.

You cannot see the difference in the two drawings.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


John 12- Jesus death attract6s all men

John 6= This is not Jesus death that is drawing men to HImself, But God the Father drawing people. And who are these people?

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. To believe your p[hilosophy, one has to hold to universalism. If you believe John 12 and JOhn 6 are equal.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Since you brought up the CC, let me say this....
The CC NEVER taught predestination.
Augustine, loved by John Calvin and mentioned thousands of times in his sermons....
is the one person that taught predestination AND WHICH EVEN THE CC DENIES to this day.
Augustine was born in the 5th century. That would be 400 years AFTER Jesus.
So, if you want to agree with Augustine,,,,a manachaen gnostic believer that converted to Christianity and took his gnostic beliefs with him...you are certainly entitled.

But the CC is CORRECT in not believing in predestination.

As also does no other denomination exept for the reformed....this is because GOD IS NOT PROPERLY REPRESENTED IN CALVINISM.
It teaches not only a different gospel because THERE IS NO GOSPEL in calvinism....but it teaches a DIFFERENT GOD since the God of Calvinism is NOT the God of the bible.

The CC is far closer to Arminianism because CALVINISM IS FALSE and even the CC cannot accept what it teaches.

Augustine was right in many things as well as wrong in many things!

Predestination is biblical whether some dead saint believes it or not!

But let us assume you are correct in that Armenianism is closer to the Bible.

Can you please take the five points Jacob Arminius proposed at the Council of Dort and show from Scripture why you believe they are correct?

 

[Behold]

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

You are a Calvinist, who has spent 30+ Yrs deceiving people, by trying to lead them to believe his "doctrines of Devils".
Its your Ministry, as you have performed it.

Jesus is Not a Calvinist.
You'll find this out, eventually.

So You are not preaching Christ, you are preaching... = "here is how Calvin sees all the verses, so, let me show you all how to be just like that".

A.) Calvin is a Cross Denying Heretic.


Listen, let me show you how to understand your 2 posted verses..

Jesus Said.. "if I be lifted up, I will DRAW ALL"

John wrote....... "The Father draws them (him)."

Now why do these 2 verses correlate, perfectly, when Jesus is in one verse, drawing ALL and God is in another Drawing"..... As demonic Calvinism denies JESUS by teaching that its only the ELECT, pre-destined, little group, and not the ALL, Everyone Whosoever....

The reason that Jesus draws and that God Draws, is because that is the HOLY SPIRIT doing it..

As... "God is A Spirit", and "Christ is THAT Spirit"

So, that is WHO draws.. ALL .. .and not just the "pre-chosen" as Lying TULIP "the 5 Points" teaches.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are a Calvinist, who has spent 30+ Yrs deceiving people, by trying to lead them to believe his "doctrines of Devils".
Its your Ministry, as you have performed it.

Jesus is Not a Calvinist.
You'll find this out, eventually.

So You are not preaching Christ, you are preaching... = "here is how Calvin sees all the verses, so, let me show you all how to be just like that".

A.) Calvin is a Cross Denying Heretic.


Listen, let me show you how to understand your 2 posted verses..

Jesus Said.. "if I be lifted up, I will DRAW ALL"

John wrote....... "The Father draws them (him)."

Now why do these 2 verses correlate, perfectly, when Jesus is in one verse, drawing ALL and God is in another Drawing"..... As demonic Calvinism denies JESUS by teaching that its only the ELECT, pre-destined, little group, and not the ALL, Everyone Whosoever....

The reason that Jesus draws and that God Draws, is because that is the HOLY SPIRIT doing it..

As... "God is A Spirit", and "Christ is THAT Spirit"

So, that is WHO draws.. ALL .. .and not just the "pre-chosen" as Lying TULIP "the 5 Points" teaches.

Wow now you show you cannot even tell teh difference between teh Father and son!

Answer this verse oh lying coward:

Romans 9:14-24

King James Version

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14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[GodsGrace]

See this is where y9our sloppy habits and poor reading skills have let you lie, lie, lie.

You cannot see the difference in the two drawings.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


John 12- Jesus death attract6s all men

John 6= This is not Jesus death that is drawing men to HImself, But God the Father drawing people. And who are these people?

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. To believe your p[hilosophy, one has to hold to universalism. If you believe John 12 and JOhn 6 are equal.

Ronald....when theology is correct, the bible has no conflicts and I'll show you why.
@Behold will reply for himself since the above is for him, but I'd like to add the following to whatever he may say.....:

John 12:32 and John 6:44 are both correct....
You say that Jesus death will attract all men.
Good. So you agree that God, Jesus, attracts all men....so we agree.

John 6:44 tells us that the Father GIVES persons to Jesus for salvation...you say the Father is drawing people...

Both good.

The Father, through grace, draws all persons to Himself...
See Romans 1:19-20 God has been known from the beginning through the creation....even BEFORE the bible was even written....

For those persons that are happy to reply YES to God Father when they are drawn and made aware of Him- through whatever means..usually the gospel message...

THEN
God Father gives the person to the Christ who died for them and also to the Holy Spirit who will guide them into all truth and will be their paraclete.

As you can see....there is no conflict in the two verses.
And, as you can see,,,,it is all done through free will.

God forces no one to love Him or to follow Him.
He requires free will love- love that is coerced means nothing even to us humans.....even more so to God.

 

[FaithWillDo]

You're a universalist.
I thought you were a Calvinist.
It's been interesting speaking to someone that cannot identify himself properly.

Dear GodsGrace,
I have never said that I was a Calvinist or a universalist. I am neither.

Are you a Catholic just because you believe in free will? Or maybe you are a Mormon or a JW for the same reason.

All I am is the product of Christ's workmanship and nothing more.

The truth that I teach comes solely from God's Word. The Gospel that I teach proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Savior of mankind.

Furthermore, salvation is not an "offer" that needs to be received as you suppose. Salvation is a gift that Christ freely gives to mankind because of His love and grace. And because Christ loves all mankind, He will give His free gift of salvation to everyone. However, Christ only gives His free gift to a person at a time of His choosing. In this age, Christ is only giving His free gift of salvation to the people who have been chosen by the Father to receive it early. They are said to be blessed; and they are. I know because I am one of them. The balance of mankind will receive their free gift in the final age. After Christ has saved the last person of mankind, He will deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven (now containing all mankind) to His Father. The Father will then be "all in all" (1Cor 15:20-28). No one will be left out. All who have died "in Adam" will be made alive "in Christ". God's Word has spoken it and it will be done.

One final point: mankind's works play no part in a person's salvation because Christ provides all the works. His works are spiritual and He performs them within a person. It is the spiritual works of Christ that causes a person to believe and have faith in Him. Christ does His work by freely giving a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. Without the Spirit, they would not be able to believe and have faith in Christ. After Christ gives a person the Spirit, He will judge the person and destroy all the things within them that have made them carnally minded. When Christ finishes His work, the person will be converted from being a child of the Devil to being a child of God. This is mankind's salvation and is it is for this purpose that the Father sent Christ into the world. Mankind could not have a more loving and merciful Creator than the one we have.

Since there is nothing I can do at this time to help you understand God's Word, I am moving onto another thread unless another member posts to me here. Someday, my words will have great value to you. But for now, Christ has not made you ready to receive them. It is just not your time.

Joe

copy to: @Behold

 

[GodsGrace]

Augustine was right in many things as well as wrong in many things!

Predestination is biblical whether some dead saint believes it or not!

But let us assume you are correct in that Armenianism is closer to the Bible.

Can you please take the five points Jacob Arminius proposed at the Council of Dort and show from Scripture why you believe they are correct?

This is very nice of you Ronald.
Just one little problem:
I don't know who Arminius was and I don't care.
I don't know his 5 points and I don't care.

I care about what the NT teaches...
What Jesus teaches and what the writers of the NT teach.
AND THEY DID NOT TEACH CALVINISM.

Now,,,,I have been studying Calvinism for quite a number of years now because I find that it TRICKS many into believing its lies.
I do my best to counter this horrific distortion of the love and mercy and justice of God.

Now...why don't YOU take each of the 5 points of Calvinism,,,,make your best case for each one....and I'll be happy to reply.

Please use scripture.

 

[Behold]

Wow now you show you cannot even tell teh difference between teh Father and son!

You mean to say, that you can't understand that both the Father and Son are "ONE" and The Holy Spirit is the same.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

There is none.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,

And that is true.

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

"The riches of His Glory" is "The Gift of Salvation" is the context.

"He had afore prepared unto glory".... is the "foreknowledge of God, ..those...who are "predestined to be conformed into the Image of Christ"......after they are '"IN Christ".
So, the pre-destining,, is subsequent to being born again..


24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


And Yes, God and Christ both "DRAW".. ALL, and those who will believe, become "in Christ".

"Vessels fitted for Destruction" are both those who are in Hell, and those who are waiting to God, as defined by this verse.

John 3:36

 

[GodsGrace]

Dear GodsGrace,
I have never said that I was a Calvinist or a universalist. I am neither.

Are you a Catholic just because you believe in free will? Or maybe you are a Mormon or a JW for the same reason.

All I am is the product of Christ's workmanship and nothing more.

The truth that I teach comes solely from God's Word. The Gospel that I teach proclaims that Jesus Christ the Savior of mankind.

Furthermore, salvation is not an "offer" that needs to be received as you suppose. Salvation is a gift that Christ freely gives to mankind because of His love and grace. And because Christ loves all mankind, He will give His free gift of salvation to everyone. However, Christ only gives His free gift to a person at a time of His choosing. In this age, Christ is only giving His free gift of salvation to the people who have been chosen by the Father to receive it early. They are said to be blessed and they are. I know because I am one of them. The balance of mankind will receive their free gift in the final age. After Christ has saved the last person of mankind, He will deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven (now containing all mankind) to His Father. The Father will then be "all in all" (1Cor 15:20-28). No one will be left out. All who have died "in Adam" will be made alive "in Christ". God's Word has spoken it and it will be done.

One final point: mankind's works play no part in a person's salvation because Christ provides all the works. His works are spiritual and He performs them within a person. It is the spiritual works of Christ that causes a person to believe and have faith in Him. Christ does His work by freely giving a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. Without the Spirit, they would not be able to believe and have faith in Christ. After Christ gives a person the Spirit, He will judge the person and destroy all the things within them that have made them carnally minded. When Christ finishes His work, the person will be converted from being a child of the Devil to being a child of God. This is mankind's salvation and is it is for this purpose that the Father sent Christ into the world. Mankind could not have a more loving and merciful Creator than the one we have.

Since there is nothing I can do at this time to help you understand God's Word, I am moving onto another thread unless another member posts to me here. Someday, my words will have great value to you. But for now, Christ has not made you ready to receive them. It is just not your time.

Joe

copy to: @Behold

Dear GodsGrace,
I have never said that I was a Calvinist or a universalist. I am neither.

And correct you are.
I DID state that you do not have a definition for your faith.
It certainly is not Christian, as far as I could tell.
You may THINK it's Christian, but apparently you don't know what the term means.

Are you a Catholic just because you believe in free will? Or maybe you are a Mormon or a JW for the same reason.

Well actually Faith....EVERY denomination believes in free will except the reformed....
Catholics are part of those denominations that believe in free will.

All I am is the product of Christ's workmanship and nothing more.

The truth that I teach comes solely from God's Word. The Gospel that I teach proclaims that Jesus Christ the Savior of mankind.

The truth that you teach comes from your mind.
Your mind and/or your conscience MUST BE FORMED from the bible and from proper teaching from those sources.
You have not been formed by the NT but by your own personal ideas that are unrecognizable to the Christian faith.

Furthermore, salvation is not an "offer" that needs to be received as you suppose. Salvation is a gift that Christ freely gives to mankind because of His love and grace. And because Christ loves all mankind, He will give His free gift of salvation to everyone. However, Christ only gives His free gift to a person at a time of His choosing. In this age, Christ is only giving His free gift of salvation to the people who have been chosen by the Father to receive it early. They are said to be blessed and they are. I know because I am one of them. The balance of mankind will receive their free gift in the final age. After Christ has saved the last person of mankind, He will deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven (now containing all mankind) to His Father. The Father will then be "all in all" (1Cor 15:20-28). No one will be left out. All who have died "in Adam" will be made alive "in Christ". God's Word has spoken it and it will be done.

Of course I don't agree with universalism since it's not in the bible.
Jesus taught about hell and damnation.
I'm not going to try to convince you since this particular topic is of no interest to me.

One final point: mankind's works play no part in a person's salvation

We agree on something!
But I'm sure you've got that skewered too.

because Christ provides all the works. His works are spiritual and He performs them within a person. It is the spiritual works of Christ that causes a person to believe and have faith in Him.

Same ole' gotta be born again FIRST and then comes faith and belief.

Christ does His work by freely giving a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. Without the Spirit, they would not be able to believe and have faith in Christ. After Christ gives a person the Spirit, He will judge the person and destroy all the things within them that have made them carnally minded. When Christ finishes His work, the person will be converted from being a child of the Devil to being a child of God. This is mankind's salvation and is it is for this purpose that the Father sent Christ into the world. Mankind could not have a more loving and merciful Creator than the one we have.

Rain, rain and more rain.

Since there is nothing I can do at this time to help you understand God's Word, I am moving onto another thread unless another member posts to me here. Someday, my words will have great value to you. But for now, Christ has not made you ready to receive them. It is just not your time.

Joe

copy to: @Behold

Yes. Maybe someday I'll be ready to learn all about the rain.
It was so nice of you to try....
sorry it didn't work.

Maybe someday YOU also will learn something new about the Living God.

 

[Behold]

Furthermore, salvation is not an "offer" that needs to be received as you suppose.

Jesus is Salvation.

This happened 2000 yrs ago, on The Cross.

Preachers, Ministers... = PREACH the Gospel, that is "Christ Crucified" for the sin of the world........and all who will BELIEVE., shall be saved"..

So, this is the Gospel that is OFFERED, by God...

Its the Offer of Jesus, to everyone, so that everyone can "call on the Name of Jesus and be saved"...

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

No, and putting words into my mouth, or misrepresenting my words, will prove to be one of the quick ways to shut down conversation.

Much love!

That's why I asked a question instead of jumping to conclusions. Thanks for your answer.

 

[Ritajanice]

If one is Born Again, you will automatically fall in Love with the Spirit Of God.

The Spirit births our spirit into His, Gods Spirit is Love, a powerful supernatural Love.

He loved us first, and he loves us in our heart/spirit...when Spirit gives birth to spirit..God didn’t reveal himself to me through hearing the gospel.

The gospel is the good news, it doesn’t birth our spirit, imo.

The good news is, that Jesus came and was the atonement for his Born Again children, who were chosen and predestined to become Gods children.

It’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we can become Born Of The Spirit.

The gospel offered makes no sense to me, I wasn’t Born Again that way.

God chose me, having never read a Bible, I was predestined to become Born Again.

Other people are Born Again differently...why do we try and force others to believe how they/ we believe.

Calvin is right, Gods Love is irresistible, as we are Born Again the way God wills it, no forcing from the Spirit, obviously those who believe they chose God, would have no understanding of God’s irresistible love.....his ways are a mystery ,and as he says, he’s like the wind, you can’t see or know the time you will be Born Of The Spirit.

Each to their own...

 

[GodsGrace]

If one is Born Again, you will automatically fall in Love with the Spirit Of God.

You're not going to want to discuss this...but I'm going to answer your post anyway.
I agree with the above.

The Spirit births our spirit into His, Gods Spirit is Love, a powerful supernatural Love.

Agreed.

He loved us first, and he loves us in our heart/spirit...when Spirit gives birth to spirit..God didn’t reveal himself to me through hearing the gospel.

Agreed. And, as you know, the bible clearly states that not everyone is born again through the gospel.
The gospel only began to exist 2,000 years ago.
God always existed and made Himself be known to mankind.
Romans 1:18-20
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

The gospel is the good news, it doesn’t birth our spirit, imo.

The gospel MAY awaken our spirit to the good news that God has come in human form to enable all of us to become born again.

The question is this:
Is EVERYONE invited, through the gospel, to be able to be born again.....or NOT?
If you think that not everyone is invited to be born again....then WHY does the gospel exist?
What IS the good news anyway?
I've asked this from every calvinist and I've never received an answer.

The good news is, that Jesus came and was the atonement for his Born Again children, who were chosen and predestined to become Gods children.

So how is that good news??
Those that are chosen, as you state, DO NOT NEED any good news. They've already been chosen.
So are you saying that God,,,,,which you know is love.....has good news only for SOME of the creatures He created and He's just going to send the rest to hell?
WHY write an entire New Testament just to proclaim that some are chosen?
They would be chosen anyway.

And WHERE in the New Testament does it state that God only chose a few to be saved??
Where does it state that not all could become saved?

It’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we can become Born Of The Spirit.

Agreed.

The gospel offered makes no sense to me, I wasn’t Born Again that way.

Maybe YOU weren't born again that way.
Neither was I. I had never read a bible or heard the gospel message.

But when I began to read the bible I DID learn about God and how He's a loving, merciful and just God.
This is not believed by calvinists ....They believe in a God that is NOT loving, NOT merciful and NOT just.

Any God that can choose some for heaven and choose some for hell, based on absolutely no reason except HIS OWN GOOD PLEASURE is not a God of love, mercy and justice.

How could a God that is loving, merciful and just receive ANY PLEASURE in sending some to hell FOR NO REASON AT ALL EXCEPT THAT IT PLEASES HIM??

God chose me, having never read a Bible, I was predestined to become Born Again.

You're going to have to show where in the NT this is stated.
If you believe Jesus is God,,,could you show where Jesus, God, states that He predestines man for heaven or hell.

Other people are Born Again differently...why do we try and force others to believe how they/ we believe.

Because this has nothing to do with how one believes an unimportant doctrine.
Calvinists change the very nature of God...they change the character of God.
If the NT is correct....
then Calvinism is wrong.

Calvin is right, Gods Love is irresistible, as we are Born Again the way God wills it, no forcing from the Spirit, obviously those who believe they chose God, would have no understanding of God’s irresistible love.....his ways are a mystery ,and as he says, he’s like the wind, you can’t see or know the time you will be Born Of The Spirit.

Each to their own...

To each his own?
Calvinists make God out to be a horrid puppet master.
Does God show Himself to all or just to a lucky select few?
Is this the God YOU want to worship?

Saying that God's love is irresistible sounds very nice.....but it's not biblical.
It's really saying that you have to free will to tell God NO.....when He presents Himself to someone.

Do you think God forces you to love Him or do you think you love Him because you want to because He's such a good, loving, merciful and just God?

Would you force someone to love you if you could....
or would you like it better if they loved you of their own free will because they REALLY love you?

 

[Ritajanice]

Those that are chosen, as you state, DO NOT NEED any good news. They've already been chosen.

RJ says, I can only speak for myself.

So are you saying that God,,,,,which you know is love.....has good news only for SOME of the creatures He created and He's just going to send the rest to hell?

I have no idea who God will birth in the spirit.

Sis, remember God knows the beginning to the end.how would we know who is going to end up in hell?

I pray everyone becomes Born Again..only God knows who will be his...

I think we are at different levels of understanding faith....I may get back to your other questions later.

We’re all growing in knowledge, all this back and forth, arguing doesn’t help anyone does it?

Been there done that.i post what I believe the word of God to be witnessing to my heart/ spirit..if some think I post nonsense, I have no problem with that, you address politely I will answer.

Any nasty aggression , because I can’t believe as some want me to believe their way,..they start telling me how to believe telling me that I’m a demon because some of what I post, Calvin also believed, as I said, whatever I believe God places on my heart to post.it will be done..my opinion.

I won’t get involved anymore in immature behaviour..I’m growing in maturity, there I believe I will remain, in other words, staying in peace and the Spirit Of God...I can’t bear losing my peace...arguing, one loses their peace.

Lord May your peace continue to reign in my heart, in Jesus Name, Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

Saying that God's love is irresistible sounds very nice.....but it's not biblical.

The Love Of God is biblical, do you know how much God loves you in your heart/spirit?

To be Loved by God, in one’s spirit is incomprehensible....we are putty in his hands..his Love is what sustains us.

Maybe Calvin should have taught, who can resist the will of God.instead of irresistible love.

A Born Again cannot resist the “ WILL” of God, when they are being birthed by the Spirit,they were chosen and predestined to become Born Of God’s Living seed..Gods will for those who become Born Of His seed, is irresistible....by his mighty supernatural power we are Born Again..my opinion.

God also doesn’t say, that you converse with him, telling him no, i don’t want you...I don’t want my spirit Born Again..that’s not how he says we are Born of the Spirit..
.
I was chosen and predestined to become Born Again, I can never in a million years resist his will..when he chose to give birth to my spirit.....his will be done .

That’s my belief 100% .

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◄ Romans 9:19 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” New Living Translation Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” English Standard Version You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” Berean Standard Bible One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?”

 

[GodsGrace]

Those that are chosen, as you state, DO NOT NEED any good news. They've already been chosen.

RJ says, I can only speak for myself.

I have no idea who God will birth in the spirit.

Do you have an idea of MAYBE who could be going to heaven?
Does God give to each person the possibility of having the opportunity of going to heaven?

Sis, remember God knows the beginning to the end.how would we know who is going to end up in hell?

This is the big question here....
CAN we know who is going to hell?
Does God want to warn us about how NOT to go to hell?
Or do you think He just doesn't care?

I pray everyone becomes Born Again..only God knows who will be his...

I agree that God knows who will be His.
This is called foreknowledge.
But....
Because God KNOWS who will be saved, and He knew this from the beginning of time,
it does not mean that He predestined who would go to heaven and who would go to hell.

Is a God that PICKS who will go to heaven and who will go to hell a just God?
Just means to give to each person what they deserve.
Does God give to each person what they deserve IF He picked them based on nothing at all...which is what Calvinists believe?

Or do you think God wants to give everyone a chance to be saved....as
John 3:16 states that WHOEVER believes in Jesus will be saved.

If John 3:16 is correct...
then Calvinism in not correct because they deny John 3:16.

I think we are at different levels of understanding faith....I may get back to your other questions later.

Doesn't matter what level you're at.
What matters is whether or not you believe God is a loving and merciful and just God.
This can be known from the moment a person is born again.

We’re all growing in knowledge, all this back and forth, arguing doesn’t help anyone does it?

I believe it does help.
The reason I believe this is because those that are teaching Calvinist ideas are teaching about a God that does not exist.
They're teaching about a God that does not have love....does not have any mercy on the humankind He created,,,,and does not have any justice.

They're teaching about a God that is not the God of the bible.
The God that made Himself be known to YOU as a loving God.
(which you've stated many times).

Been there done that.i post what I believe the word of God to be witnessing to my heart/ spirit..if some think I post nonsense, I have no problem with that, you address politely I will answer.

Agreed.

Any nasty aggression , because I can’t believe as some want me to believe their way,..they start telling me how to believe telling me that I’m a demon because some of what I post, Calvin also believed, as I said, whatever I believe God places on my heart to post.it will be done..my opinion.

Agreed.

I won’t get involved anymore in immature behaviour..I’m growing in maturity, there I believe I will remain, in other words, staying in peace and the Spirit Of God...I can’t bear losing my peace...arguing, one loses their peace.

Lord May your peace continue to reign in my heart, in Jesus Name, Amen!

I've been a Christian, born again in God's spirit, for a very long time RJ....so debating doesn't bother me at all.
As long as we're civil to one another, conversation is good.
If it bothers you, I agree that you shouldn't participate.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Love Of God is biblical, do you know how much God loves you in your heart/spirit?

Sure. But I think God loves all of His creation and wishes all to be saved.....but not all will obey God in order to be saved.
1 Timothy 2:4 Paul states clearly that God wishes that all men be saved....All, not just some lucky ones as Calvinism teaches.
But some will not obey God in order to be saved....but He does give to all men the opportunity to be saved.

To be Loved by God, in one’s spirit is incomprehensible....we are putty in his hands..his Love is what sustains us.

Agreed.

Maybe Calvin should have taught, who can resist the will of God.instead of irresistible love.

No one can resist the will of God.
The question is this:
Does God force our every move?
Did God plan every little thing we do?
IF He did, then He planned our sinning too.
This is what Clavinism teaches.
John Piper teaches that if God planned sin ...even rape....then that rape has some meaning.
If God did not plan sin....such as rape....then rape has no meaning.

Do YOU think rape could have a meaning and that God predestined it?

A Born Again cannot resist the “ WILL” of God, when they are being birthed by the Spirit,they were chosen and predestined to become Born Of God’s Living seed..Gods will for those who become Born Of His seed, is irresistible....by his mighty supernatural power we are Born Again..my opinion.

I'm sorry to say that Paul, who wrote most of the NT, does not agree with what you just stated.
Paul said that you CAN resist God.
Paul said that you can DENY God if you want to in
2 Timothy 2:12 Paul clearly states that we can deny God.
12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

I know you like the longer versions of scripture...but most will not read long verses.
You can read 2 Timothy for yourself, which I'm sure you've already done....it is possible for us to deny God.
This is because we have free will and God can do whatever He wants to do, and He chose to give to man free will so that we could love Him freely---which is true love.

God also doesn’t say, that you converse with him, telling him no, i don’t want you...I don’t want my spirit Born Again..that’s not how he says we are Born of the Spirit..

The NT teaches that we must BELIEVE in order to be saved.
Believing is something that WE do.
MANY tell God no....every atheist you know has told God NO.

Romans 1:19-20 tells us that man can say NO,,,,and this is why when judgement comes each man will have no excuse...
because he had the opportunity to say YES to God and instead he said NO, so the wrath of God will fall on him.

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I was chosen and predestined to become Born Again, I can never in a million years resist his will..when he chose to give birth to my spirit.....his will be done .

That’s my belief 100% .

Then how do you explain 2 Timothy 2:12??

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” New Living Translation Well then, you might say, “Why does God blame people for not responding? Haven’t they simply done what he makes them do?” English Standard Version You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” Berean Standard Bible One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?”

Exactly!
How can God find fault with us IF IT'S HIM that causes everything to happen??

 

[Behold]

God chose me, having never read a Bible, I was predestined to become Born Again.

Noone is predestined to be born again.. God does not force anyone to Trust in Christ.

Stop teaching "the 5 points" TULIP.. Lies.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am Born Again, having never read a Bible, I was chosen and predestined to become Born Of Gods seed.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Those who teach against it, don’t understand predestination ,imo,.you cannot know or trust in Christ, without being Born Of His Living seed.

We know God in our spirit, that is where the Holy Spirit has taken up residence, we have a supernatural gift, the gift of Faith..bully boy, will never stop me posting , what I believe God places on my heart to post.
.without God given faith, which is a gift, manifestation of the Spirit..Faith is a gift, man’s faith is dead, has no power.

You can’t believe in God, without his witness, witnessing of God/Jesus..to our spirit, that is where we receive God’s truth.in our spirit, as we have been birthed by the Spirit Of God....then we have the supernatural faith to believe in our heart/spirit.

The Spirit testifies with “ our” spirit that we are Gods children/ Born Again...just like his word says...he chooses who he will birth in the Spirit.

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course, I believe what Paul says clearly that only the predestined can believe in Jesus.

@marks doesn't care to answer anymore....it does get tiring.

But I just got here...
so
Where in the NT does it state that only the predestined can believe in Jesus?
You say it's clear....so please post the verses....

So, are you saying that believers can brag about their choice to believe in Jesus, because they were able to do it? Read Ephesians 2:1-10. We can't brag about our faith because God enables us to come alive and trust in Jesus through faith by grace.

No Bruce,, ,,,believers do not BRAG about being born again.
They're happy and thankful to God that HE gave them the opportunity to become born again
by revealing Himself to humankind in different ways....one of them being the gospel...the good news that Jesus died to forgive the sins of ANYONE...WHOSOEVER....chooses to believe in Him for their salvation.

This is because God is a loving and merciful God that wishes to give to everyone the same change of being saved.
This is called justice...God is also a just God.

On the other hand....I've noticed that Calvinists are very proudful persons.....maybe because they feel that God chose them and so they're special in some way that the other poor blokes are not.

And,,,when they run out of conversation because of all the conflict their belief system causes to the NT....
Well, they resort to ad hominum remarks, as @Scott Downey and @Christian Soldier have been known to do.

So, yes, where does the NT teach that only the predestined can believe in Jesus?