Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)

[St. SteVen]

- What is heaven?

- Is that where we go when we die?

- Do unbelievers go to hell instead?

- Will there still be a heaven during the Millennium?

- Will there still be a heaven after the new heavens and earth are created?

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[Deborah_]

What is heaven?

Heaven is 1) where God is and 2) a spiritual realm, as opposed to the physical universe.

Is that where we go when we die?

Believers will go to "Paradise" when we die. (Luke 23:49) Not exactly "heaven", but maybe a sub-zone of Heaven? Christ is there, so it comes under the definition of Heaven that I've given.

Do unbelievers go to hell instead?

Do unbelievers go to Hell straight away? I'm not sure about that, as Hell seems to be where they go (for destruction) after the final judgement at the end of the world. Maybe they are in a state of sleep until the Resurrection, maybe their souls are in a spiritual place where they can see into Paradise and be tormented by the realisation of what they're missing (as in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16).

Will there still be a heaven during the Millennium?

I don't believe the Millennium to be a separate period of time; I think it's another way of looking at the present age.

Will there still be a heaven after the new heavens and earth are created?

Yes, there will - but it will be joined to the new earth and God will dwell on earth (Revelation 21), so heaven and earth will no longer be separate modes of existence.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Rather than speculated based on sentimental emotions, what does Jesus say?
John 5-
24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Jesus will judge and reward or punish.

Jesus is the Ultimate demonstration of Gods immeasurable Love for his creation, but also Gods rule by which we are judged.

 

[St. SteVen]

Rather than speculated based on sentimental emotions, what does Jesus say?

Right.
When it comes to religion we should be dispassionate robots.

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[Lambano]

...(or the other place)​

Amarillo, Texas?

 

[talons]

...(or the other place)​

Amarillo, Texas?

Amarillo by morning, up from San Antone
Everything that I got is just what I've got on
I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine
I ain't rich, but Lord, I'm free
Amarillo by morning
Amarillo is where I'll be

 

[Lambano]

It was either that or Sheboygan, Wisconsin.

 

[Lambano]

- Will there still be a heaven after the new heavens and earth are created?

My understanding is that we will be resurrected on the New Earth, and God comes down from New Heaven to live with us, so there might not be much difference.

But like I said in another thread, eschatology is that part of town you don't visit at night unless you're packing.

 

[talons]

The New Jerusalem , that is where we are headed , streets of gold . https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-21/

"We'll Need No Light In The City John Saw Coming Down"
Verse 1
I hear the sound of the trumpet, I know it can't belong till the Lord will be coming for His own, for His own; No more trouble, no more pain will ever come again, as we sing praise to Jesus round the throne.

Chorus
We'll need no light in that city that John saw coming down, For Jesus will be there, His glory will abound; We'll need no light in that city or never ending day; The Lamb of God will take the night away.

Verse 2
It won't belong till it's over, and God will call us home, To receive heavens final great reward, great reward; All our battles fought and won, we'll hear him say well done; Enter into the the glories of the Lord.

Chorus

I want to live in that city that John saw coming down for I've read that it's mansions can be mine; No more darkness no more night for Jesus is the light and the sun will no longer have to shine.

From Yellow Church of God hymnal Songs We Love to Sing
copyright R.P. Williams 1981

 

[One 2 question]

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The New Jerusalem , that is where we are headed , streets of gold . https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-Chapter-21/

"We'll Need No Light In The City John Saw Coming Down"
Verse 1
I hear the sound of the trumpet, I know it can't belong till the Lord will be coming for His own, for His own; No more trouble, no more pain will ever come again, as we sing praise to Jesus round the throne.

Chorus
We'll need no light in that city that John saw coming down, For Jesus will be there, His glory will abound; We'll need no light in that city or never ending day; The Lamb of God will take the night away.

Verse 2
It won't belong till it's over, and God will call us home, To receive heavens final great reward, great reward; All our battles fought and won, we'll hear him say well done; Enter into the the glories of the Lord.

Chorus

I want to live in that city that John saw coming down for I've read that it's mansions can be mine; No more darkness no more night for Jesus is the light and the sun will no longer have to shine.

From Yellow Church of God hymnal Songs We Love to Sing
copyright R.P. Williams 1981

What a fantastic hope hey! Our new home, our new city, on this renewed completed earth. Yay!

Then what about the heavens, the greatest part of the 'whole creation' that's groaning under decay currently like this planet?

I can't wait to get out there and explore the whole creation, if that will ever be possible. I have my doubts. To develop them and bring them to completion as Jesus will in 1000 years. It may take us a little more time. But hey, we won't be short of that commodity. We will have an endless supply.

 

[MatthewG]

In faith, I believe all who die go to the realm where Yahavah resides, however there are people that are not wanting to be so in his presence and because of this, they are outside of the kingdom. This is a picture show in the bible, if it is true or not I do not know. It is found in Revelation 21, 22. If Yahavah is a good God, I believe that this set-up is just fine. What are your thoughts about it, @St. SteVen ?

 

[One 2 question]

Right.
When it comes to religion we should be dispassionate robots.

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Some might say, that's only when you enter the building and the leader is speaking. Switch off everything except your intellect. We'll if you disagree with them, then you better turn that off too.

 

[St. SteVen]

...(or the other place)​

Amarillo, Texas?

That might be an insult to hell. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

That might be an insult to hell. - LOL

Maybe they could give a choice?

An eternity of July in Amarillo, or February in Sheboygan. - LOL

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[Lambano]

Maybe they could give a choice?

An eternity of July in Amarillo, or February in Sheboygan. - LOL

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Late November in Sheboygan when you have freezing rain blowing in off Lake Michigan. Snow you can deal with.

 

[Lambano]

Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)​

Hell is for other people.

Which makes Matthew 7:21-23 all the more disturbing.

 

[St. SteVen]

Late November in Sheboygan when you have freezing rain blowing in off Lake Michigan. Snow you can deal with.

Agree. That's worse. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)​

Hell is for other people.

Which makes Matthew 7:21-23 all the more disturbing.

Indeed.
Who are these that prophesy in His name and drive out demons and perform miracles, yet they have no relationship with Him?
Not sure how that is even possible.

Mark 9:38-40 NIV
“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name
and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name
can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
40 for whoever is not against us is for us.

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[Lambano]

 

[Lambano]

Couldn't resist after you quoted Mark 9:40.