Both Israelis and Islamists will be wiped out

[Douggg]

Paul identified who we are presently fighting against in this verse: -

Ephesians 6:12: - For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.​

Isaiah tells us this: -

Isaiah 24:21-22: -​

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21 It shall come to pass in that day​

That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,​

And on the earth the kings of the earth.​

22 They will be gathered together,​

As prisoners are gathered in the pit,​

And will be shut up in the prison;​

After many days they will be punished.​

God promised that when Israel repents that He would remove all the beasts of the field in Ezekiel 34;25-30: -

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Ezekiel 34:25-30: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger in the land/on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​

As for these beasts being imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years, we have these references from the Book of Revelation.

Since Satan is also a judged heavenly host in Isaiah 24:21-22 and Satan and the other judged Heavenly Hosts are imprisoned for many years then if Satan in Rev 20:1-3 is imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years then the other judged heavenly hosts, i.e. the beasts of Daniel 7, will also be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit with Satan, along with the judged kings of the earth.

Now in Rev 9 when the pit is unlocked we first see the kings of the earth rise up out of the pit for a period of 5 months and then they were followed by the release of the Angels from the Euphrates River to kill a third of mankind.​

Then in Revelation 17:8 and 13:11 we are told this: -

Revelation 17:8: - 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to destruction.​

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Revelation 13:7; - 11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.​

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Now Douggg, I am sure that you will find fault with the scriptures, but with no scriptural substance to your rebuttal and one of your pretty diagrams to boot.

Ezekiel 34:25-30 above also discredits the private theories of @Keraz in that it speaks of a time period when Israel will rest in God's covenant of peace.

Shalom

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[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relations between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.

Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.

In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.

Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.

Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.​

So you are saying the beasts are fallen angels and perhaps demons. Correct?

If they are currently in the bottomless pit - and that pit is opened in Revelation 9 and the prisoners there are released when the pit is opened during the great tribulation. I don't have a problem with that line of thought.

Since it is said that Christians will judge the very angels - 1Corinthians 6:3 - I conclude that those fallen angels and demons will be judged at the time of Jesus's return, shorty thereafter and cast into the lake of fire at the beginning of the thousand years.

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kings of the earth - humans - are not cast into the bottomless pit, when they die, because their bodies and souls are separated at death.

The kings of the earth who try to make war on Jesus will be slain by Jesus at the time the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:19-21.

 

[Jay Ross]

If they are currently in the bottomless pit - and that pit is opened in Revelation 9 and the prisoners there are released when the pit is opened

No Douggg, the judgement of Isaiah 24:21-22 has not taken place yet and my understanding is that that will take place in around 20 years time when the kings of the earth are also judged.

I conclude that those fallen angels and demons will be judged at the time of Jesus's return, shorty thereafter and cast into the lake of fire at the beginning of the thousand years.

No Douggg, we need to define Christ's second coming which I believe will happen at the end of the seventh age when He comes in all of His Glory with all of the Heavenly Host who have been with Him in Heaven during the seventh age.

Isaiah 24:21 occurs at the beginning of the seventh age which I understand will occur in around 20 years' time, when the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be judged. The start of the 1,000 years that the Isaiah 24:22 points too, will begin just after they have been judged in verse 21 and as told by John in Rev 20:1-3 the duration of their imprisonment in the bottomless pit will be for 1,000 years and they will be punished after they have been released towards the very end of the Seventh age.

kings of the earth - humans - are not cast into the bottomless pit, when they die, because their bodies and souls are separated at death.

Douggg it seems that this is your opinion. Perhaps you need to back up this opinion with some scripture.

The kings of the earth who try to make war on Jesus will be slain by Jesus at the time the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:19-21.

The beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of the seventh age, up to 24 years after they have been released from the bottomless pit.

The Gog and Magog armies will be slain towards the end of the seventh age and all the birds were filled with their flesh. Ezekiel 38-39 speaks of this event as well.

Now somewhere during the last 24 years of the seventh age Daniel 9:27 will play out with the desolator, i.e. Satan also being dispatched into the lake of fire.

After this event Jesus' Second coming will occur when He will Judge all the peoples of the earth.

I would suggest that you need to reflect on what you teach on this forum and verify whether or not it is true.

Notice, I made no mention of the Pre-trib rapture.

Goodbye Douggg

 

[Douggg]

No Douggg, we need to define Christ's second coming which I believe will happen at the end of the seventh age when He comes in all of His Glory with all of the Heavenly Host who have been with Him in Heaven during the seventh age.

How about sticking to the text of Revelation 20. That the 1000 years in Revelation 20:4, 20:6, 20:7 follow Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19.

The beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of the seventh age, up to 24 years after they have been released from the bottomless pit.

Going by the text of Revelation 19:19-21, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming. It does not say anything about a seventh age in Revelation 19. Jay, you are just complicating matters when you try to factor in some seventh age hypothesis.

Now somewhere during the last 24 years of the seventh age Daniel 9:27 will play out with the desolator, i.e. Satan also being dispatched into the lake of fire.

After this event Jesus' Second coming will occur when He will Judge all the peoples of the earth.

Revelation 20:7 is clear that after the 1000 years, Satan will be released from the bottomless pit prison to deceive the nations for a short period. And after the final rebellion, Satan will be will be cast into the lake of fire. Nothing in the text about a seventh age.

Isaiah 24:21 occurs at the beginning of the seventh age which I understand will occur in around 20 years' time, when the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be judged.

What kings of the earth are you referring to ? Name some.

The judgment of all of the unsaved, whether kings or not, will be at the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15.

At the Great White Throne Judgement, God will be the judge, Revelation 20:12. The Great White Throne Judgment is to judge humans.

Douggg it seems that this is your opinion. Perhaps you need to back up this opinion with some scripture.

You questioned whether the body and soul separate at death.

Paul, for example, said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

[Jay Ross]

How about sticking to the text of Revelation 20. That the 1000 years in Revelation 20:4, 20:6, 20:7 follow Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19.

Douggg, you are applying a linear understanding of the Book of Revelations. Daniel 7:9-14 tells us that when the heavenly host beasts are judged then the Son of Man appears before the ancient of days to receive His dominion over all of the peoples of the earth.

Daniel 7:9-14: - Vision of the Ancient of Days​

9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,​

And the Ancient of Days was seated;​

His garment was white as snow,​

And the hair of His head was like pure wool.​

His throne was a fiery flame,​

Its wheels a burning fire; ​

10 A fiery stream issued​

And came forth from before Him.​

A thousand thousands ministered to Him;​

Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.​

The court was seated,​

And the books were opened. ​

11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 "I was watching in the night visions,​

And behold, One like the Son of Man,​

Coming with the clouds of heaven!​

He came to the Ancient of Days,​

And they brought Him near before Him. ​

14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,​

That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.​

His dominion is an everlasting dominion,​

Which shall not pass away,​

And His kingdom the one​

Which shall not be destroyed. ​

In the above passage we are not told that Christ immediately came down to face of the earth to rule.

In Rev 20:4-6 we are told this: -

Revelation 20:4-6: - 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

Please notice that this is a heavenly Priestly role that those who had also been beheaded will join with Christ as His priests.

Nowhere in your nominated verse does it suggest that it mention Christ's second coming.

Going by the text of Revelation 19:19-21, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming. It does not say anything about a seventh age in Revelation 19. Jay, you are just complicating matters when you try to factor in some seventh age hypothesis.

Where does it tell us that the second coming you who is complicating matters.is associated with Jesus' Second Coming. That is your private understanding, and it does not conform with the scriptures. It is you who is complicating your own understanding with your inconsistent interpretations.

What kings of the earth are you referring to ? Name some.

Dougg can you tell me who will be the President of the USA in 20 years' time, or the Prime Minster of Brittian or Australia. That is just a hint of who the kings may be.

The judgment of all of the unsaved, whether kings or not, will be at the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15.

Douggg, that is your assumption.

Since you are intransient with your understanding, this conversation should cease as all that happens is that you cannot accept what is obvious to others.

Goodbye now

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Israelis are made up of multiple ethnic groups.

Israelis are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and god knows which ones are the proper ones.

 

[Keraz]

Israelis are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and god knows which ones are the proper ones.

As Jesus changed the whole situation in His first Advent, we know who the true Israelites are. They are the Overcomers for God, His faithful peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Rev 5:9-10
Ethnicity has no bearing on who are Gods people and those who think the current inhabitants of the holy Land, have any claim on Gods favour, are quite wrong and are false teachers.

 

[Keraz]

God’s Solution for the Middle East Crisis:

Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself, I kept silent and held Myself in check, but now I groan like a woman in labour. I will make a great noise and devastate the earth. I will go forth in fury, as a soldier in the heat of battle, I shall burn the trees and pastures and make the holy Land a desolate wasteland. Joel 1:15-18

Jeremiah 49:2-5 A time is coming says the Lord, when the cities of Jordan will hear the battle cry: Amman will become a desolate mound and all their towns will be burnt to ashes. Do not boast of your strength, for I will bring terror on you from all sides , you will be driven headlong. Amos 1:13-15, Ezekiel 21:28-32

Jeremiah 49:17-18 The lands of Edom/Esau will become burnt and desolate, a destruction like that of Sodom will strike them. Isaiah 25:1-3, Amos 1:11-12

Jeremiah 49:23-27 In Syria, they have heard of the coming disaster, they run about in terror, pains like childbirth grip them. A fire will devour their cities and their military men will lie still in death on that Day. Amos 1:3-5

Isaiah 17:1 Damascus will cease to be a city, she will be reduced to a heap of ruins, forever desolated.... Amos 1:3-4

Jeremiah 49:34-37 I shall break the bow of Elam [Iran], I shall destroy the chief weapon of their might. I will scatter them to the four winds, My fierce anger and fiery wrath will make an end of them. Ezekiel 32:24-25

None of these plainly stated prophesies have happened yet. They will be literally fulfilled by:
Isaiah 13:6-8 Wail: for the Day of the Lord is at hand, a great devastation from the Almighty! Because of it, every hand will hang limp, courage will melt away. Fear and terror will come on people, agonizing pangs will grip them, like a woman in labour. Jeremiah 6:24, Ezekiel 7:17

Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty, His arm will descend in His fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid cloudbursts and storm winds. Isaiah 30:26a tells us exactly what the Lord will use.

Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will fall and lie like dung in the fields, no one will gather them.

Isaiah 37:26 Have you not heard? Long ago I planned it and now I bring it about. Your great cities have crashed into heaps of rubble.

For now; the best advice is:
Hebrews 10:25-27 Keep up your fellowship and encourage one another, as we see the Day of the Lord drawing near. For if we deliberately persist in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then there can be no further atonement and there remains only a terrifying expectation of the fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

Surely, we CAN see that the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath against the nations is drawing near. His Judgement/punishment by fire; Psalms 11:4-6

Is there any other possible and workable solution between Israel and the Islamic peoples? Populations keep increasing; resources keep diminishing, humans cannot resolve this situation, we need God to do it.

Look forward to the Day of the Lord’s wrath and pray to hasten it on.... 2 Peter 3:12

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As Jesus changed the whole situation in His first Advent, we know who the true Israelites are. They are the Overcomers for God, His faithful peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Rev 5:9-10
Ethnicity has no bearing on who are Gods people and those who think the current inhabitants of the holy Land, have any claim on Gods favour, are quite wrong and are false teachers.

No they are the Israelites who accepted Jesus as Messiah!

Nowhere in either verses does it say the Church has become true Israel. That is you forcing your opinion on the passages because of your predisposed replacement theology mindset.

 

[Keraz]

No they are the Israelites who accepted Jesus as Messiah!

Nowhere in either verses does it say the Church has become true Israel. That is you forcing your opinion on the passages because of your predisposed replacement theology mindset.

Maybe .05% of the Israelis have become Christians, Paul says only a remnant will survive the Lords Day of wrath. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 22:14

It is your belief of a general Jewish redemption, that will not happen.
Accusations of R/T, just show your intransigence and the false belief of a rapture to heaven, that confuses you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Maybe .05% of the Israelis have become Christians, Paul says only a remnant will survive the Lords Day of wrath. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 22:14

It is your belief of a general Jewish redemption, that will not happen.
Accusations of R/T, just show your intransigence and the false belief of a rapture to heaven, that confuses you.

The rapture and teh nation of Israel being saved are not connected in any way. that is just an attempt by you to slander.

But the bible is clear that in the tribulation 2/3 of Israel will be killed and the 1/3 remaining will be saved.

And the 5 of Jews saved is far greater than that right now.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Jeremiah 31:33-38

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

Romans 11:25-27

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

You should teach the whole counsel of God and not just your replacement theology bias.

 

[Keraz]

You should teach the whole counsel of God and not just your replacement theology bias.

Seems that you have failed to read the New Testament properly.
Ethnicity has no bearing on who are the people of God, who are now peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10

The Bible Prophets do not say the Israelis will be redeemed and saved. Or even 1/3 - Isaiah 22:14, +

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Seems that you have failed to read the New Testament properly.
Ethnicity has no bearing on who are the people of God, who are now peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10

The Bible Prophets do not say the Israelis will be redeemed and saved. Or even 1/3 - Isaiah 22:14, +

Bringing up a red herring doesn't help your cause. And I have shown yo uto lie about me on this issue many many times in the past. during the church age all ethnicities have equal access to salvation and no group holds advantage over another.

But in teh tribulation, when the church is gone, there will be trib saints and God will be preparing ethnic Israel to receive Jesus as Messiah.

And during the millenial kingdom as I have showed you from Scripture many times in the past, Israel plays a dominant role on earth in fuflfilment of all the Scriptures and promises God made to ethnic Israel which you have stripped from them and given to the church.

 

[Keraz]

But in teh tribulation, when the church is gone, there will be trib saints and God will be preparing ethnic Israel to receive Jesus as Messiah.

I know the reason you and all 'rapture to heaven', believers, want and insist the Israelis to be redeemed. is so you can sit up in heaven and watch the tribulation of the world and Israels redemption.
This scenario is never stated in the Bible. Why do you believe it and what is worse - why do you teach such nonsense?

You and all who have accepted false doctrines, are in for a nasty shock, when you must face tough times ahead, as the Lord sends His testing and disasters upon everyone. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I know the reason you and all 'rapture to heaven', believers, want and insist the Israelis to be redeemed. is so you can sit up in heaven and watch the tribulation of the world and Israels redemption.
This scenario is never stated in the Bible. Why do you believe it and what is worse - why do you teach such nonsense?

You and all who have accepted false doctrines, are in for a nasty shock, when you must face tough times ahead, as the Lord sends His testing and disasters upon everyone. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12

See you misdirect because you cannot refute the passages I cited from gods Word.

The fact that God will save the entire remnant of the nation of Israel is well established in Scripture (that means the entire nation that is left at the end of the trib) but instead of rejoicing in that fact, you misdirect and attack with your "rapture to heaven" spiel which is true and will happen despite all your attempts at rejecting it. The nice thing is- you will get caught up alond with me and all other believers.

I have faced many hard times in the past, and in the short time I have left expect to face some more . However the bible has specifically declared the church will not go through the wrath of God aka the 70th week of Daniel or the tribulation. But time will show this.

and sadly you suck at knowing why I believe all Israel will be saved. I believe it because God declared it, no matter how many times you and others wish to reinterpret the plain teaching of the bible

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I know the reason you and all 'rapture to heaven', believers, want and insist the Israelis to be redeemed. is so you can sit up in heaven and watch the tribulation of the world and Israels redemption.
This scenario is never stated in the Bible. Why do you believe it and what is worse - why do you teach such nonsense?

You and all who have accepted false doctrines, are in for a nasty shock, when you must face tough times ahead, as the Lord sends His testing and disasters upon everyone. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord!

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Jeremiah 31:33-37

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Romans 11:25-27

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

This is why I know God will save teh remaining 1/3 of all Israelis on earth, because HE said so!!!!!

 

[Keraz]

This is why I know God will save teh remaining 1/3 of all Israelis on earth, because HE said so!!!!!

Paul spoke the Word of God and he said that only a remnant of Israel [Judah] would be saved.
The Jews who falsely call themselves Israel, face Judgment and just a few Christians will survive. Isaiah 29:1-4

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul spoke the Word of God and he said that only a remnant of Israel [Judah] would be saved.
The Jews who falsely call themselves Israel, face Judgment and just a few Christians will survive. Isaiah 29:1-4

You steadfastly refuse ot see what Gods Word says as I cited them.

but another one for you to ignore:

Ephesians 2:11-20

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Notice verse 19?

We gentiles have become fellow heirs with the saints! That means Paul in speaking to Gentiles is referring to someone else as saints. who are they? Israelis.

God will not fail to perform all His promises to the nation and people of Israel as he declared He would!

 

[Keraz]

We gentiles have become fellow heirs with the saints! That means Paul in speaking to Gentiles is referring to someone else as saints. who are they? Israelis.

God will not fail to perform all His promises to the nation and people of Israel as he declared He would!

Hopelessly confused and deceived.
The Saints are the true Israelites and we Christians are children of Abraham by faith. Gods Overcomers, literally His Israelite peoples.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hopelessly confused and deceived.
The Saints are the true Israelites and we Christians are children of Abraham by faith. Gods Overcomers, literally His Israelite peoples.

Well if I am confused it is because I expect God to communicate clearly in His Word so that folk like me who seek to serve and glorify Him, does not get mixed messages.

Once again you fail to understand that being a child of Abraham does not make one an Israelite physically or spiritually. The bible makes clear that Israelites are the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! You have fallen for a lie.

And yet you deny Paul and His teaching:

Ephesians 2:12-19

King James Version

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12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Paul is showing how Gentiles were excluded nd without god. but now because of Jesus we as gentiles are fellow citizens WITH THE SAINTS.

Paul made a distinction- why you do not is a .

 

[Keraz]

Paul is showing how Gentiles were excluded nd without god. but now because of Jesus we as gentiles are fellow citizens WITH THE SAINTS.

Right.
But do not make the ,mistake of thinking the Jews still have a special place with God.

One People of God:
Not only does the Bible not teach that there are two distinct peoples of God, ethnic Israel and the gentile Church, but it is very explicitly opposed to this idea. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 3:11

For one thing, the Church, defined as the group of true believers of God, existed in the Old Testament, long before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 7:38, and furthermore, the clear teaching of the New Testament is that the modern day Church is really just the joining with and the expansion of God's people that He originally chose.

According to Paul being an true Israelite has never been based on anything other than faith in God, Romans 2:28-29 & 9:6-8 and only those who have been called according to God's promise are Abraham's seed by faith. Romans 9:8

Therefore; all who have [Christian] faith are Abraham's children, and are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 3:26-29

When Paul deals extensively with the whole question of the place of Jews and Gentiles in the people of God, in Romans 11, he shows that there is just one people, symbolized by one good olive tree; unbelieving individual Jews may be broken off of that tree of true Israel and believing individual Christian Gentiles may be grafted in; but there is still one tree, one body, one people of God. Paul teaches elsewhere that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ, but that all believers are members of the same body, citizens of the one Christian congregation of the Israelites of God and the inheritors of all the promises made to Abraham. Ephesians 2:11-22, 3:6, Galatians 4:26-31, Phil. 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-23

In short, there is and always has been just one people of God, and those people include all those who are grafted in to God's “good olive tree” to become Abraham's children by faith, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, every true Christian believer. Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8, Psalms 73:1

The unfaithful and unbelieving Jews, are simply a part of the ungodly peoples and will not survive the forthcoming Day the Lord will destroy all His enemies in the holy Land. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hebrews 10:26-27