Whether A Person’s Soul Goes to Heaven or Hell is for God to judge and not others humans to judge

[Jack]

YOU need to learn that you cannnot possubly decide who is in Hell; becaause you don't know a person's heart. You have NO idead if tose people on your list have repented. You are NOT the judge or jury of anyone's soul - NOR are you clairvoyant.

Be concerned with the condition of your own soul and PRAY for those whose fruits are rotten . . .

I'm not the Author. Jesus is.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not the Author. Jesus is.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

The INCONVERTED unrighteous.
The UNREPENTED unrighteous.

Jesus gives everybody on earth the chance to repent and be converted (John 3:16, Acts 2:38).

 

[Jack]

The INCONVERTED unrighteous.
The UNREPENTED unrighteous.

Jesus gives everybody on earth the chance to repent and be converted (John 3:16, Acts 2:38).

Absolutely! Christians know gays are heading for Hell! Do you ever pull someone out of the fire???

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely! Christians know gays are heading for Hell! Do you ever pull someone out of the fire???

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

Just because sonrone is on a path to Hell doesn't mean they will end up there.
ANYBODY can repent and be saved.

A Christian has NO Biblical permission to dictate who is in Hell.

 

[Zao is life]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others. I believe it is God’s and not other humans that should determine whether a person is “saved or not saved” or if they are “right or not right with God.”. The answer God gives is guaranteed accurate for God is perfect and flawless. Human beings are not perfect and are not flawless.

We should love one another as God loves us. It is not what a person looks like on the outside, but is who the individual person is on the inside that really matters

Actually Jesus did not call it heaven and hell but life and death, and He linked it to believing in Him and not believing in Him, and 1 John 3:14 quoted among the quotes below is pertinent to your OP:

John 3
14 But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up,
15 so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life [G2222: zoe].
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life [G2222: zoe].

John 5
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life [G2222: zoe], and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life [G2222: zoe].

1 John 3
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life [G2222: zoe], because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

John 1
4 In him (the Word by whom all things were created and who is God) was life [G2222: zoe]; and the life [G2222: zoe] was the light of men.

1 John 5
11 And this is the record, that God has given to us everlasting life [G2222: zoe], and this life [G2222: zoe] is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life [G2222: zoe]; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life [G2222: zoe].

1 John 5:20
20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true. And we are in Him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and the everlasting life [G2222: zoe].

Matthew 10
28 And do not fear those who kill the body [G4983: soma], but are not able to kill the soul [G5590: psuche]. But rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in "hell" [G1067 geenna].

I place the word "hell" in quotation marks because the KJV translates the Greek words haides, tartaroo and geenna all as "hell" but only geenna is the word used in the Greek text each time Jesus spoke of an everlasting death/destruction/perdition/damnation of the soul. The other two words translated as "hell" are haides and tartaroo, and are equivalent to the Hebrew word sheol, and are talking about the dwelling "place" of departed souls who are not in Christ.

Jesus told you that if you believe in Him you have passed from death to life, and said nothing about believing in this theology or that theology "getting you to heaven or hell". Jesus is a person, not a church or a theology.

-- take it from someone who rejects a lot of "Catholic" theology.

 

[Jack]

Just because sonrone is on a path to Hell doesn't mean they will end up there.

I never said otherwise.

ANYBODY can repent and be saved.

Not those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit!

Mark 3:29
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

A Christian has NO Biblical permission to dictate who is in Hell.

Who did that?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

And that can only mean Hell Fire FOREVER! One particular person here who keeps insisting that gays won't burn in Hell, is actually leading gays to Hell and will have blood on his hands on Judgment Day!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit!

Mark 3:29
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that Jesus spoke of is FINAL impenitence. The refusaly to heed the Holy Spirit to the end. Unti you die - you have a chance to repent and be saved (John 3:16, Actsa 2:39).

Who did that?

YOU did.

I originally posted that we can only judge a person’s fruit but NOT their hearts/souls.
In #6 – YOU responded:
“what you say about not judging to determine if a person is saved or not is totally wrong. “

In post #15 - YOU said
“So, if a person worships Satan we can't judge him?”
I reiterated the Biblical teaching that we cannot judge their hearts but ONLY their actions.

Then, in Post #22, you followed up with:
“How many millions of atheists are there? How about 8 million JW's who attack the Bible like Satan? How about millions of Muslims who love chopping off heads? How about millions of lying, thieving government agents? How about millions of those proud to be gays that Jesus said are heading for Hell Fire???”
AGAIN, I reminded you of the Biblical teaching on the matter.

Stop trying to figure out WHO is hellbound and work on yur own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12).
PRAY for thgoise who you think are on the wong path.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

And that can only mean Hell Fire FOREVER! One particular person here who keeps insisting that gays won't burn in Hell, is actually leading gays to Hell and will have blood on his hands on Judgment Day!

And it's not for YOU to decide who will birn in Hell, my arrogant, judgemental friend.

You're supposed to HELP them and pray for them - NOT declare judgement on them. I don't understand this fascination some of you have with condemning people to Hell, when the Bible warns against this (Matt. 7:1-5).

 

[Jack]

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that Jesus spoke of is FINAL impenitence. The refusaly to heed the Holy Spirit to the end. Unti you die - you have a chance to repent and be saved (John 3:16, Actsa 2:39).

Mark 3:29
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit NEVER has forgiveness

YOU did.

I originally posted that we can only judge a person’s fruit but NOT their hearts/souls.
In #6 – YOU responded:
“what you say about not judging to determine if a person is saved or not is totally wrong. “

Matthew 7:18-20
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

In post #15 - YOU said
“So, if a person worships Satan we can't judge him?”
I reiterated the Biblical teaching that we cannot judge their hearts but ONLY their actions.

Worshiping Satan isn't an "action"? It certainly is!

Then, in Post #22, you followed up with:
“How many millions of atheists are there? How about 8 million JW's who attack the Bible like Satan? How about millions of Muslims who love chopping off heads? How about millions of lying, thieving government agents? How about millions of those proud to be gays that Jesus said are heading for Hell Fire???”
AGAIN, I reminded you of the Biblical teaching on the matter.

And I reminded you of what Jesus said:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Stop trying to figure out WHO is hellbound and work on yur own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12).

Oh I am, that's why I quote God's Word!

PRAY for thgoise who you think are on the wong path.

Huh?

And it's not for YOU to decide who will birn in Hell, my arrogant, judgemental friend.

I didn't decide, they do. And if YOU don't warn them you are guilty too.

You're supposed to HELP them and pray for them

Oh I do indeed. That's why I tell them what Jesus said.

- NOT declare judgement on them.

They judge themselves. You should be warning them, not attacking those who do warn them!

I don't understand this fascination some of you have with condemning people to Hell, when the Bible warns against this (Matt. 7:1-5).

You just told a WHOPPER! Do you know what the Bible says about "all liars"?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mark 3:29
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit NEVER has forgiveness

Apparently, you don’t understand what He meant by FINAL impenitence . . .

Matthew 7:18-20
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Good - now, show me the verse that says, “And YOU will determine where they will spend eternity” . . .

Worshiping Satan isn't an "action"? It certainly is!

Yes, it is and if they repent and are Baptized, they will be saved.

And I reminded you of what Jesus said:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

If they remain unrighteous and never repent, yes.

Otherwise – they CAN be saved, my faithless friend . . .

I didn't decide, they do. And if YOU don't warn them you are guilty too.

Of course, you are to warn them and share the Gospel with them.

However – YOU don’t know who is in Hel.

They judge themselves. You should be warning them, not attacking those who do warn them!

I’m not “attacking” you – just reminding you not to presume you know WHO is in Hell and who is NOT . . .

You just told a WHOPPER! Do you know what the Bible says about "all liars"?

Yup. I also know that the Bible warns against presuming that YOU know who is in Hell and who saved.

That is for GOD and God ALONE to determine.

 

[Jack]

Apparently, you don’t understand what He meant by FINAL impenitence . . .

I quote Scripture. You quote you.

Good - now, show me the verse that says, “And YOU will determine where they will spend eternity” . . .

I didn't. God did. Want me to quote I Cor 6 again?

Yes, it is and if they repent and are Baptized, they will be saved.

They are heading for Hell. God said so!

If they remain unrighteous and never repent, yes.

Now you're catching on!

Otherwise – they CAN be saved, my faithless friend . . .

You just LIED again!

Of course, you are to warn them and share the Gospel with them.

Do you warn them? I do! Or do you just ATTACK us who warn them?

However – YOU don’t know who is in Hel.

I know who's heading for Hell. God told us!

I’m not “attacking” you – just reminding you not to presume you know WHO is in Hell and who is NOT . . .

Believing the Bible is not "presuming". God said it!

Yup. I also know that the Bible warns against presuming that YOU know who is in Hell and who saved.

Scripture please.

That is for GOD and God ALONE to determine.

And He has. I quoted Him. I Cor 6! They are heading for Hell and probably those who defend them!

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes Christ rejectors are under God's wrath
Does not mean God will not change their hearts in the future, look at what happened to Saul who becomes Paul

Luke 10:16
He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”

Reject Christ, you reject God who sent Christ.
Similarly in the OT, those who rejected the prophets, rejected God's message to them.

God had mercy on Paul and saves Paul.
Paul uses his own life as an example pattern for those who will be saved.
We He saves by Grace according to the mercy of God towards us.

15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to [a]God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I quote Scripture. You quote you.

You quote Scripture without actually understanding what it means.

Jesus didn’t mean that there is a sin that cannot be forgiven. NOTHING is impossible for God (Matt. 19:26). The sin against the Holy Spirit that Jesus is talking about in is the refusal to heed His guidance to the truth.

I didn't. God did. Want me to quote I Cor 6 again?
They are heading for Hell. God said so!

YOUR job as a Christian is NOT to declare who is condemned and who isn’t. That’s GOD’s job 0 and His alone.
YOUR job is to teach them the truth and PRAY for them.

Now you're catching on!

No – that’s what the Bible teaches.

It doesn’t teach you to condemn others . . .

You just LIED again!

Sooo – it’s a LIE that people can repent and be saved??

Have you perverted the Gospel that much??

Do you warn them? I do! Or do you just ATTACK us who warn them?

I know who's heading for Hell. God told us!

Uhhh – NO, you don’t.

You may be concerned that someone is heading for Hell – but the knowledge is God’s - and His ALONE.

Believing the Bible is not "presuming". God said it!

Then leave the condemnation or salvation to GOD.

YOU just PRAY for them and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 21:12).

Scripture please.

Only GOD knows the heart:
1 Sam. 16:7, Ps. 42:21

Judgement and condemnation is not for YOU to distribute . . .
Matt. 7:1-2 Luke 6:37-38, John 8:3-8

And He has. I quoted Him. I Cor 6! They are heading for Hell and probably those who defend them!

And every time that YOU determine that a person is heading for Hell – YOU'RE heading there yourself . . .

Matt. 7:12
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
For in the SAME way you judge others, YOU will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[PGS11]

Because Jesus died for our sins all judgement comes through him and only him for all souls the Father has given it to him he sits in the Judgement seat.

Now here's the but - Jesus said make sure no one shows up with something against you take care of it now or it might not go like you think.
Hes going to raise you up for Heaven or he's going to raise you up for Hell no one gets to stay in the grave.

 

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No one disputes in a very short time…human men, titled and described and “redefined” Christ Jesus’ Church.

Matt 16: Jesus speaking….
[18] …I will build my church…

FYI …CHRIST JESUS has Built His Church upon The Word of God… “not a human man”!

Glory to God,
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[Ronald Nolette]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others. I believe it is God’s and not other humans that should determine whether a person is “saved or not saved” or if they are “right or not right with God.”. The answer God gives is guaranteed accurate for God is perfect and flawless. Human beings are not perfect and are not flawless.

We should love one another as God loves us. It is not what a person looks like on the outside, but is who the individual person is on the inside that really matters

While we cannot know the ultimate destiny of an individual, we can warn souls that if they are unbelievers and they die that way, they face an eternity in the lake of fire for rejecting the love gift of Jesus God gave.