Whether A Person’s Soul Goes to Heaven or Hell is for God to judge and not others humans to judge

[BreadOfLife]

So, if a person worships Satan we can't judge him?

You can most certainly judge his ACTIONS – his fruit.
You cannot judge or condemn him his soul. This is ONLY for God.

You can pray for him – but NOT condemn him.

 

[Jack]

You can most certainly judge his ACTIONS – his fruit.
You cannot judge or condemn him his soul. This is ONLY for God.

You can pray for him – but NOT condemn him.

People condemn themselves to Hell Fire all the time. How many millions of atheists are there? How about 8 million JW's who attack the Bible like Satan? How about millions of Muslims who love chopping off heads? How about millions of lying, thieving government agents? How about millions of those proud to be gays that Jesus said are heading for Hell Fire???

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[BreadOfLife]

People condemn themselves to Hell Fire all the time. How many millions of atheists are there? How about 8 million JW's who attack the Bible like Satan? How about millions of Muslims who love chopping off heads? How about millions of lying, thieving government agents? How about millions of those proud to be gays that Jesus said are heading for Hell Fire???

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

You said it yourself – they condemn THEMSELVES.

YOU are not their judge. You have NO idea who has repented in the last few moments of their life.
Salvation is available to ALL at ANY point in their life.

Don’t be so quick to condemn anybody because the Bible tells us that WE will be judged by the same measure that we judge others (Matt. 7:1-2) . . .

 

[NotTheRock]

You can most certainly judge his ACTIONS – his fruit.
You cannot judge or condemn him his soul. This is ONLY for God.

You can pray for him – but NOT condemn him.

While reading your responses I can feel the love and joy emanating from you!

 

[RedFan]

Once a person has been baptized in the Catholic Church, made their First Communion, and confirmed (received the Sacrament of Confirmation) in the Catholic Church, they remain Catholic for life for these Sacraments are indelible and irreversible and are permanently imprinted to the soul forever.

I was baptized, received Communion and was confirmed in the RCC. I've since left, and because I am divorced and remarried (with an active sex life) I am cut off from the sacraments of the RCC even if I still wished to be Catholic. Which I don't. Whatever is "permanently imprinted" on my soul isn't keeping me "Catholic for life."

 

[ChristinaL]

WRONG.

As a Christian, you are only allowed to rightly-judge a person’s fruit – NOT their hearts.
YOU don’t get too condemn anybody’s soul (Matt. 7:1-2).

OK using frequent bolding isnt going to get your message across any more easily- it just makes you look more arrogant and whiny.

Judging isnt condemning unless you are acting like a real (female dog) about it.

And we already explained it to you- we can judge a person's heart and we are called to judge hearts. Because a person's heart and their fruits go hand in hand.

 

[ChristinaL]

I was baptized, received Communion and was confirmed in the RCC. I've since left, and because I am divorced and remarried (with an active sex life) I am cut off from the sacraments of the RCC even if I still wished to be Catholic. Which I don't. Whatever is "permanently imprinted" on my soul isn't keeping me "Catholic for life."

Good on you. You deserve better

 

[ChristinaL]

Catholic faithful don't view God's words in the Bible as being authoritative as they believe that their church leaders have the blessing of Jesus to create and change doctrines. Therefore, we Christians don't have a common source to rely on when trying to sort out doctrines with Catholics. A faithful Christian discussing doctrine with a faithful Catholic is sort of like a Christian discussing doctrine with a Hindu or Buddhist

Bit of a change of subject here- One also has to understand the meaning of the word JUDGE too. When some Catholic accuses us of wrongfully judging they seem to think that means we are acting as judge, jury and executioner when to judge someone's heart and fruits merely means to determine whether or not their heart and actions have put them on the right path.

Having to read nonsense like the stuff from BreadOfLife also keeps me on my own toes and makes me go back over my own info to make sure I am not making mistakes myself. Especially the way she was totally slamming down Hislop's work TWO BABYLONS (A more than excellent read which I highly recommend). hislop also backs himself up quite heavily with dozens of works and copious footnotes so the man was no liar

 

[Behold]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others.

A lot of Christians have an unfortunate understanding regarding "eternal Damnation".

They, believe that this begins, when the Christ Rejector... found here...... John 3:36.........finally dies.

In other words, the Damnation, starts subsequent to death..

In fact, the unbeliever is already in Damnation, and Hell is already their eternal destination..... while they are breathing.

This is why Jesus told us......>>" YOU MUST be born again".. on EARTH... as when you are, you are now SAVED.... SAVED from Damnation.

So, when you read....>>"JESUS SAVES".. .then that is actually explaining....>>"from what".

 

[BreadOfLife]

OK using frequent bolding isnt going to get your message across any more easily- it just makes you look more arrogant and whiny.

That’s what MOST people say when they’ve lost an argument . . .

Judging isnt condemning unless you are acting like a real (female dog) about it.

And we already explained it to you- we can judge a person's heart and we are called to judge hearts. Because a person's heart and their fruits go hand in hand.

No - we are NOT called to judge a person’s heart. We are only called to judge their FRUIT.

You don’t know what somebody’s personal relationship with God.
Only GOD knows the heart . . .
(Psa. 44:21, Jer. 17:9-10, 1 Sam. 16:7, Luke 16:15, Acts 1:24, Acts 15:8, Rom. 8:27, 1 Cor 2:11, Heb. 4:12)

 

[ChristinaL]

That’s what MOST people say when they’ve lost an argument . . .


No - we are NOT called to judge a person’s heart. We are only called to judge their FRUIT.

You don’t know what somebody’s personal relationship with God.
Only GOD knows the heart . . .
(Psa. 44:21, Jer. 17:9-10, 1 Sam. 16:7, Luke 16:15, Acts 1:24, Acts 15:8, Rom. 8:27, 1 Cor 2:11, Heb. 4:12)

The only person who has lost an argument is the one who thinks that they are right just because they talk louder. Including people who use all caps or frequent bolding

Jer 17 10I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Do you not even see what that says? Think about it. I stand by what I say.

 

[NotTheRock]

Bit of a change of subject here- One also has to understand the meaning of the word JUDGE too. When some Catholic accuses us of wrongfully judging they seem to think that means we are acting as judge, jury and executioner when to judge someone's heart and fruits merely means to determine whether or not their heart and actions have put them on the right path.

We're called to use "righteous judgment" and to correctly discern.

 

[Jack]

You said it yourself – they condemn THEMSELVES.

Yes indeed.

YOU are not their judge.

Never said I am!

You have NO idea who has repented in the last few moments of their life.

Never said I do! lol

Salvation is available to ALL at ANY point in their life.

Don’t be so quick to condemn anybody because the Bible tells us that WE will be judged by the same measure that we judge others (Matt. 7:1-2) . . .

You need to learn English! I didn't condemn anyone!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes indeed.
Never said I am!
Never said I do! lol

You need to learn English! I didn't condemn anyone!

YOU need to learn that you cannnot possubly decide who is in Hell; becaause you don't know a person's heart. You have NO idead if tose people on your list have repented. You are NOT the judge or jury of anyone's soul - NOR are you clairvoyant.

Be concerned with the condition of your own soul and PRAY for those whose fruits are rotten . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The only person who has lost an argument is the one who thinks that they are right just because they talk louder. Including people who use all caps or frequent bolding

Jer 17 10I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Do you not even see what that says? Think about it. I stand by what I say.

And the one who is right is never concerned with petty things like text formatting . . .

The Bible condemns your arrogant view that you can judge a person’s heart – and I’ve proven that quite amply with Scripture (Matt. 7:1-5, Matt. 7:1-5, James 4:12, Rom. 2:1-3), Gal. 6:1).

Only GOD knows what is in the person’s heart . . . (Psa. 44:21, Jer. 17:9-10, 1 Sam. 16:7, Luke 16:15, Acts 1:24, Acts 15:8, Rom. 8:27, 1 Cor 2:11, Heb. 4:12)

 

[BreadOfLife]

A lot of Christians have an unfortunate understanding regarding "eternal Damnation".
They, believe that this begins, when the Christ Rejector... found here...... John 3:36.........finally dies.
In other words, the Damnation, starts subsequent to death..
In fact, the unbeliever is already in Damnation, and Hell is already their eternal destination..... while they are breathing.

This is why Jesus told us......>>" YOU MUST be born again".. on EARTH... as when you are, you are now SAVED.... SAVED from Damnation.

So, when you read....>>"JESUS SAVES".. .then that is actually explaining....>>"from what".

CORRECTION: A sinful person is not damned until they die.

As long as a person is alive – they have a chance to repent. This is the lesson from the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard (Matt. 20:1-16).
They may be heading for damnation IF they continue a life of willful sin – but NOBODY knows their destination but God. There are too many stories to count of people who have repented on their deathbed or some other calamity.

There are FAR too many people who are champing at the bit to condemn others.
PRAY for these people – but don’t make the mistake of thinking you know their final destination . . .

 

[Behold]

CORRECTION: A sinful person is not damned until they die.

John 3:36, says that they damned now, being under God's wrath, already.

So, when they die, they just enter the place where Damnation is irrevocable.

Why? Its because you can't be born again, in Hell.

 

[BreadOfLife]

John 3:36, says that they damned now, being under God's wrath, already.

So, when they die, they just enter the place where Damnation is irrevocable.

John 3:36 isn’t saying that those who are living a damnable life have NO chance of repenting and being born again.

Why? Its because you can't be born again, in Hell.

Yes, but you CAN be born again here on earth – even if it’s with your last breath.

Apparently, you never heard of the Thief on the cross . . .

 

[Behold]

John 3:36 isn’t saying that those who are living a damnable life

The verse says nothing about their life.
Try to be honest.

This verse says that Christ Rejectors are under the wrath of God..

The wrath of God, is not just "the day of Wrath"......its also the Damnation of the already Damned.

See, only the DAMNED go to Hell, and they are damned on EARTH, for not become a Christian., and HELL is just their eternity, that begins there.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The verse says nothing about their life.
Try to be honest.

And YOU try to use your common sense and marginal ability to discern Scripture.

Instead of cherry-picking verses out of context – read ALL of the Bible in context.

This verse says that Christ Rejectors are under the wrath of God..

The wrath of God, is not just "the day of Wrath"......its also the Damnation of the already Damned.

See, only the DAMNED go to Hell, and they are damned on EARTH, for not become a Christian., and HELL is just their eternity, that begins there.

WRONG.

They are DESTINED for damnation – IF they don’t repent.
EVERY single person on earth has a chance to repent and be saved (John 3:16, Acts 2:38).

The “unforgivable sin” against the Holy Spirit that Jesus warn about is the sin of FINAL impenitence (Matt. 10:30-32).