Hidden Mysteries of the Bible

[Lizbeth]

What you are saying is that you are not trying to process God's word through that piece of meat we all carry around (some more than others) in our heads? What a novel idea. I'm sure you will get some surprised looks here.

No I don't think you will get surprised looks at that around here, o great one.

 

[Johann]

I think he meant to tag Ritajanice....we sometimes call her Rita.

I did tag her @Lizbeth, but it's clear that posts and interactions aren't being read. However, when members are "reported," their threads are locked without any questions asked.

--case closed.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Rolling my eyes.

I Love you too,Sister in Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

This contains a blend of errors and half-truths.


Misinterpretation of "The Entrance of Your Words" (Psalm 119:130):
The phrase “the entrance of Your words gives light” does not imply a mystical transformation of words into a physical form, like light.

The light is not a physical light but an eternal spiritual one. In His light we see light. Eternal life is based on an anointing from heaven...walking in the resurrection life of Christ IN the light. A light we see...but is not visible to others unless they are also walking in the light. The light of an eternal life in holiness. In Zion....where God dwells with His people.

Instead, it speaks to the way Scripture enlightens the mind and heart. The “simple” in this context refers to those who are open and receptive to God’s wisdom, not “foolish” or “simpletons.”

You have to learn Hebrew to say such things. Don't let your present ignorance get in the way of actually learning a thing or two. Do some fact checking.

This is an invitation to humility, where God’s Word gives understanding to those willing to learn, not by dramatic visitation but through study, prayer, and spiritual insight as the Holy Spirit reveals truth (1 Corinthians 2:10-12).

Are you trying to avoid God? Why?

Creation by God’s Word vs. Human Words:
While it is accurate that God creates through His Word, the claim that His words become something other than “words” misunderstands God’s nature.

God’s spoken word carries the power to create because it is issued by the Creator, with intent and purpose. However, Scripture does not suggest that we should expect God’s Word to manifest physically in our lives as light or to act independently of His will; rather, God’s Word has power because it is truth (Isaiah 55:11). Believers are called to study and apply it faithfully, which does not diminish its power or authority.

Receiving the Gospel and the Role of Faith:
Your post implies that God’s Word alone is not sufficient for understanding unless accompanied by a “visitation,” suggesting that a secondary mystical experience is required.

Truth is not something that can be grasped by the human mind alone. That's why we need the word of God opened to us thus giving us an understanding where darkness and foolishness once ruled.

However, Scripture indicates that the gospel's power lies in the Word itself, which we understand by faith through the Holy Spirit. Paul says, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17). The Holy Spirit illuminates Scripture, helping us to understand God’s truth (John 16:13) without requiring an extraordinary manifestation.

You are missing the point here. The word itself comes from God who creates things FROM words....so that they don't just remain words. The simple will think they understand the words without any understanding. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Having a form of godliness but denying the supernatural power contained in God's dealings with man...through His word.

Jesus’ Manifestation and the Role of Love and Obedience:
Jesus promised that He would reveal Himself to those who love and obey Him (John 14:21), but this promise is fulfilled spiritually, not by a physical or mystical vision.

Instead, it speaks to a deeper relational knowledge and growing faith in Christ through a walk of obedience. While every believer experiences transformation through grace, there is no biblical basis for expecting visions or special revelations outside Scripture.

The Nature of True Christian Faith vs. "Religiosity":
While it is true that faith should be vibrant and alive, “religiosity” is not inherently negative.

The Bible does not call Christians to abandon sound doctrine or communal worship but to keep their faith rooted in God’s Word and lived out through love (James 1:27). Claiming that those who study Scripture without mystical experiences are merely “religious” is unsupported by Scripture, which calls us to grow in understanding (2 Timothy 3:16-17) through diligent study and prayer.

Your mishmash debunked right here @Episkopos.

J.

Only spiritual men understand spiritual things. Read 1 Cor. 2.

 

[Ritajanice]

The light is not a physical light but an eternal spiritual one. In His light we see light. Eternal life is based on an anointing from heaven...walking in the resurrection life of Christ IN the light. A light we see...but is not visible to others unless they are also walking in the light

I understand this, love it..so spiritual...Amen!

 

[Johann]

So that is what you were getting at, I did wonder . I can assure you that is not the case. I actually think you and Epi are as bad as one another in how you both choose to address other members and each other.
Anyway as you have accused I will allow other mods to deal with any issues here

As I have accused? You have blocked one of the threads I was involved in, a very important thread, John 1.1 out of sheer spite may I add-


εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
ουτος ην εν αρχη προς τον θεον
παντα δι αυτου εγενετο και χωρις αυτου εγενετο ουδε εν ο γεγονεν
εν αυτω ζωη ην και η ζωη ην το φως των ανθρωπων


and you may keep on blocking or do whatever you wish-the Deity of Christ Jesus takes a secondary step on this Forum so in that sense you are just as bad as me and Epi- Miss Pentecostal.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Only spiritual men understand spiritual things. Read 1 Cor. 2

So very true! Amen!

 

[Lizbeth]

I Love you too,Sister in Christ.

Please do guard your heart and emotions sister. It's not the first time you've talked in this vein and I even wondered if that was why he can do no wrong in your eyes (apparently). Be ye very careful, sober and alert....the devil is not playing around.

 

[Episkopos]

Please do guard your heart and emotions sister. It's not the first time you've talked in this vein and I even wondered if that was why he can do no wrong in your eyes (apparently). Be ye very careful, sober and alert....the devil is not playing around.

There is the ever present danger that people will hear by faith and understand spiritual things in a spiritual way. I know of this fear from the principalities that you have articulated. The horror!

 

[Lizbeth]

I did tag her @Lizbeth, but it's clear that posts and interactions aren't being read. However, when members are "reported," their threads are locked without any questions asked.

--case closed.

J.

Oh I see, ok, thanks brother.

 

[Johann]

The light is not a physical light but an eternal spiritual one. In His light we see light. Eternal life is based on an anointing from heaven...walking in the resurrection life of Christ IN the light. A light we see...but is not visible to others unless they are also walking in the light. The light of an eternal life in holiness. In Zion....where God dwells with His people.


You have to learn Hebrew to say such things. Don't let your present ignorance get in the way of actually learning a thing or two. Do some fact checking.


Are you trying to avoid God? Why?


Truth is not something that can be grasped by the human mind alone. That's why we need the word of God opened to us thus giving us an understanding where darkness and foolishness once ruled.


You are missing the point here. The word itself comes from God who creates things FROM words....so that they don't just remain words. The simple will think they understand the words without any understanding. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Having a form of godliness but denying the supernatural power contained in God's dealings with man...through His word.

Only spiritual men understand spiritual things. Read 1 Cor. 2.

Nice try though, I give you that-you stand exposed.

J.

 

[Lizbeth]

There is the ever present danger that people will hear by faith and understand spiritual things in a spiritual way. I know of this fear from the principalities that you have articulated. The horror!

That isn't what I was talking about. You shouldn't make light of a serious danger. And I have no problem with hearing by faith and understanding spiritual things in a spiritual way, as you should know but like to pretend otherwise.

 

[Episkopos]

That isn't what I was talking about. You shouldn't make light of a serious danger. And I have no problem with hearing by faith and understanding spiritual things in a spiritual way, as you should know but like to pretend otherwise.

The real ever present danger is reading the bible and thinking a person has the power to understand it theologically. What is meant to be spiritually understood is then hijacked by carnal people who change the meaning of the text and use it to both justify themselves and bash other people with...including condemning the righteous. What carnal religious people do is read themselves into the text that actually condemns them. Many will say Lord Lord...

Many will name and claim all kinds of preposterous things based on a superficial reading of the bible. But judgment is coming. God is giving so many enough rope to hang themselves with it. And these will not listen to reason, sense or truth. Once a person gets the idea into their head where they see themselves as the subject of every good sounding text....the condemnation doesn't tarry too long.

Until then, I expose the lies and reprove all the vain babblings, the assumptions and presumptions... by reasoning and explaining things in a way that any lover of truth would understand. I do this as a servant of God by commandment...doing for others what I would want to be done to me if I was the ungrateful and pig-headed one. :)

 

[LoveYeshua]

--without Scriptures, what a caricature!

J.

I agree a caricature, no one can claim know the heart of GOD, we could not comprehend it. it if far above what we could imagine.

 

[LoveYeshua]

And this is the behaviour of a spiritually superior mature man of God.....? Ye shall know them by their fruits...what kind of tree it is.

I like you more and more at every post.

 

[LoveYeshua]

So very true! Amen!

It is the Holy Spirit that God Gives freely to those who love him and do his will that truly understand. BEING "SPIRITUAL" means nothing If is it not given by GOD, it is why Jesus spoke in parables;

Matthew 13:10-17:

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
“Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 For assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

 

[Ritajanice]

It is the Holy Spirit that God Gives freely to those who love him and do his will that truly understand. BEING "SPIRITUAL" means nothing If is it not given by GOD, it is why Jesus spoke in parables;

Sorry..God chose and predestined those who were to become Born Again, before the foundation of the world.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Sorry..God chose and predestined those who were to become Born Again, before the foundation of the world.

predestination is a false doctrine it is against free will. what church are you from, I am trying to understand you.

blessings.

 

[Ritajanice]

predestination is a false doctrine it is against free will. what church are you from, I am trying to understand you.

blessings.

Sorry..it’s biblical,

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◄ Ephesians 1 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians (Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory. Spiritual Wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:6–16) 15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. 18I ask that the eyes of your heartb may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength, 20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Sorry..it’s biblical,

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◄ Ephesians 1 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Greeting to the Ephesians (Acts 19:8–12; Revelation 2:1–7) 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus,a the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings (Romans 8:28–34) 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And He has made known to us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. 11In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory. 13And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory. Spiritual Wisdom (1 Corinthians 2:6–16) 15For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him. 18I ask that the eyes of your heartb may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of His mighty strength, 20which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

I can prove you wrong with other scripture from the bible if you want. but would you listen? you obviously follow paul, what about Christ do you follow his words?