Hidden Mysteries of the Bible

[Ritajanice]

Human faith is just that, human faith....without supernatural faith/ becoming Born Of The Spirit.....you can’t know God in one’s heart...a Born Again knows God in their heart....because we were chosen and predestined to become saints, before the foundation of the world.
A Born Again can never be taught by a fake believer...they can only be taught by the Holy Spirit.
Mind blowing!!

My sheep know my voice and we do.

In the same way that repentance is granted by God (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9 affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast

 

[Johann]

You saThe ENTRANCE of the word gives lighty..

Say what?

Psalm 119:130:

"The entrance of Your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple."

J.

 

[MA2444]

Scripture Consistency
Revelation should align with the Bible, which is God’s ultimate standard of truth (2 Timothy 3:16). Anything contradicting the core doctrines, the nature of God, or biblical principles should be rejected, as Scripture serves as a foundation to discern truth from error (Isaiah 8:20).

I like the way the NLT says it!:

Isaiah 8:20
20 Look to God’s instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark..../NLT

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Rita]

You must be a favorite among the upper echelons to speak like this. Not so @Rita?

J.

Have no idea why you are tagging me Johann ,or what point you are trying to raise

 

[Johann]

Have no idea why you are tagging me Johann ,or what point you are trying to raise

Never mind.

J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Again this is a higher understanding you have Epi...I wouldn’t of had a clue what this meant at one time...

If some can't discern the difference between contending for the faith and a Phariseeical judgmental attitude it makes me wonder what spirit it is they are following.

The one who is being Phariseeical and condemning around here is the one who is falsely accusing the brethren and threatening us with judgment day, no? Be careful sister.........he has some truth and that is to lure the unwary to the grave error that he also has.

 

[Ritajanice]

If some can't discern the difference between contending for the faith and a Phariseeical judgmental attitude it makes me wonder what spirit it is they are following.

The one who is being Phariseeical and condemning around here is the one who is falsely accusing the brethren and threatening us with judgment day, no? Be careful sister.........he has some truth and that is to lure the unwary to the grave error that he also has.

Ok ,Sis.

 

[Episkopos]

How do you test the revelation?

The ENTRANCE of the word gives light.

OK. This is obviously unintentional as it actually conforms to the subject of this thread. Go figure.

The entrance (opening) of Your words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple (foolish). Ps. 119:130

When God said ...let there be light, the words become something other than words. God's word took on another character...light. If we speak words, they remain words. But God creates by His word.

When we hear the gospel correctly...with faith....the gospel opens up our spirits to allow light inside...an actual eternal light.

How do we know we have received the light from God? Through translation into Zion...the kingdom of light...to walk as Jesus walked. How? By grace through faith.

This is a mystery of course...because the words can be read as mere words...thinking mere words have the power to justify. But it is the life from heaven that justifies. Our own reading of the bible just makes us religious. Religious and deceived, making us foolish and simple (simpletons). However, those words need to opened up to us by the Spirit in a revelation/visitation from God. Jesus said that those who love Him...would have Him be manifest to them.

Of course this is on the level of a spiritual Christianity, far far above the musings and surmising of a carnal theoretical grasp of things that gets in the way of the truth. Religion always persecutes what is eternal and life giving. But death cannot triumph over life, as many will discover to their perpetual shame.

 

[Lizbeth]

Follow your own advice....stop picking on the sisters...be a mensch. Be a man, if you can.

And this is the behaviour of a spiritually superior mature man of God.....? Ye shall know them by their fruits...what kind of tree it is.

 

[Lizbeth]

Did you read my post?

By what’s written in the Bible.

This is not how we are Born Again...

You say. @Lizbeth the ENTRANCE of the word gives lighty..

I mean we need to get to know the word for ourselves and have it hidden in our hearts......in order to test and discern whether something is of God or not.

And it dispels the darkness of ignorance when it enters our hearts as revelation. The ENTRANCE of the WORD gives LIGHT (not shouting, just for emphasis)....it's not me saying it, I'm quoting the scripture.

 

[Episkopos]

And this is the behaviour of a spiritually superior mature man of God.....? Ye shall know them by their fruits...what kind of tree it is.

You can call me a spiritually superior mature man of God all you want. I don't think you could discern such even if such a man fell on you from whatever kind of tree he was climbing. Watch out for falling spiritual men.

 

[Ritajanice]

I mean we need to get to know the word for ourselves and have it hidden in our hearts......in order to test and discern whether something is of God or not.

And it dispels the darkness of ignorance when it enters our hearts as revelation. The ENTRANCE of the WORD gives LIGHT (not shouting, just for emphasis)....it's not me saying it, I'm quoting the scripture.

Ok, I can only get to understand the word, only when the Spirit brings the scriptures to my understanding and in his timing..I’m useless without him and depend on him,100% to bring scripture to my understanding.

 

[Episkopos]

Ok, I can only get to understand the word, only when the Spirit brings the scriptures to my understanding and in his timing..I’m useless without him and depend on him,100% to bring scripture to my understanding.

What you are saying is that you are not trying to process God's word through that piece of meat we all carry around (some more than others) in our heads? What a novel idea. I'm sure you will get some surprised looks here.

 

[Lizbeth]

OK. This is obviously unintentional as it actually conforms to the subject of this thread. Go figure.

The entrance (opening) of Your words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple (foolish). Ps. 119:130

When God said ...let there be light, the words become something other than words. God's word took on another character...light. If we speak words, they remain words. But God creates by His word.

When we hear the gospel correctly...with faith....the gospel opens up our spirits to allow light inside...an actual eternal light.

How do we know we have received the light from God? Through translation into Zion...the kingdom of light...to walk as Jesus walked. How? By grace through faith.

This is a mystery of course...because the words can be read as mere words...thinking mere words have the power to justify. But it is the life from heaven that justifies. Our own reading of the bible just makes us religious. Religious and deceived, making us foolish and simple (simpletons). However, those words need to opened up to us by the Spirit in a revelation/visitation from God. Jesus said that those who love Him...would have Him be manifest to them.

Of course this is on the level of a spiritual Christianity, far far above the musings and surmising of a carnal theoretical grasp of things that gets in the way of the truth. Religion always persecutes what is eternal and life giving. But death cannot triumph over life, as many will discover to their perpetual shame.

Right. The ENTRANCE of His words gives light. That's the point I was making.

I'll just ignore your last paragraph there which contaminates/defiles your post and says much more about you than it does about me.

 

[Rita]

You want to banter, lock horns? I'm not like the godly sisters who you can push around with your condescendingly speech.

I'm ready when you are Perushi-reason why you are still around is that you carry favor with Rita.

J.

So that is what you were getting at, I did wonder . I can assure you that is not the case. I actually think you and Epi are as bad as one another in how you both choose to address other members and each other.
Anyway as you have accused I will allow other mods to deal with any issues here

 

[Ritajanice]

What you are saying is that you are not trying to process God's word through that piece of meat we all carry around (some more than others) in our heads? What a novel idea. I'm sure you will get some surprised looks here.

Amen!!..Brother..Love you..,you handsome man....no disrespect Mrs Epi..lol,x

 

[Lizbeth]

Have no idea why you are tagging me Johann ,or what point you are trying to raise

I think he meant to tag Ritajanice....we sometimes call her Rita.

 

[Johann]

The entrance (opening) of Your words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple (foolish). Ps. 119:130

When God said ...let there be light, the words become something other than words. God's word took on another character...light. If we speak words, they remain words. But God creates by His word.

When we hear the gospel correctly...with faith....the gospel opens up our spirits to allow light inside...an actual eternal light.

How do we know we have received the light from God? Through translation into Zion...the kingdom of light...to walk as Jesus walked. How? By grace through faith.

This is a mystery of course...because the words can be read as mere words...thinking mere words have the power to justify. But it is the life from heaven that justifies. Our own reading of the bible just makes us religious. Religious and deceived, making us foolish and simple (simpletons). However, those words need to opened up to us by the Spirit in a revelation/visitation from God. Jesus said that those who love Him...would have Him be manifest to them.

Of course this is on the level of a spiritual Christianity, far far above the musings and surmising of a carnal theoretical grasp of things that gets in the way of the truth. Religion always persecutes what is eternal and life giving. But death cannot triumph over life, as many will discover to their perpetual shame.

This contains a blend of errors and half-truths.


Misinterpretation of "The Entrance of Your Words" (Psalm 119:130):
The phrase “the entrance of Your words gives light” does not imply a mystical transformation of words into a physical form, like light. Instead, it speaks to the way Scripture enlightens the mind and heart. The “simple” in this context refers to those who are open and receptive to God’s wisdom, not “foolish” or “simpletons.” This is an invitation to humility, where God’s Word gives understanding to those willing to learn, not by dramatic visitation but through study, prayer, and spiritual insight as the Holy Spirit reveals truth (1 Corinthians 2:10-12).

Creation by God’s Word vs. Human Words:
While it is accurate that God creates through His Word, the claim that His words become something other than “words” misunderstands God’s nature.

God’s spoken word carries the power to create because it is issued by the Creator, with intent and purpose. However, Scripture does not suggest that we should expect God’s Word to manifest physically in our lives as light or to act independently of His will; rather, God’s Word has power because it is truth (Isaiah 55:11). Believers are called to study and apply it faithfully, which does not diminish its power or authority.

Receiving the Gospel and the Role of Faith:
Your post implies that God’s Word alone is not sufficient for understanding unless accompanied by a “visitation,” suggesting that a secondary mystical experience is required.

However, Scripture indicates that the gospel's power lies in the Word itself, which we understand by faith through the Holy Spirit. Paul says, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17). The Holy Spirit illuminates Scripture, helping us to understand God’s truth (John 16:13) without requiring an extraordinary manifestation.

Jesus’ Manifestation and the Role of Love and Obedience:
Jesus promised that He would reveal Himself to those who love and obey Him (John 14:21), but this promise is fulfilled spiritually, not by a physical or mystical vision.

Instead, it speaks to a deeper relational knowledge and growing faith in Christ through a walk of obedience. While every believer experiences transformation through grace, there is no biblical basis for expecting visions or special revelations outside Scripture.

The Nature of True Christian Faith vs. "Religiosity":
While it is true that faith should be vibrant and alive, “religiosity” is not inherently negative.

The Bible does not call Christians to abandon sound doctrine or communal worship but to keep their faith rooted in God’s Word and lived out through love (James 1:27). Claiming that those who study Scripture without mystical experiences are merely “religious” is unsupported by Scripture, which calls us to grow in understanding (2 Timothy 3:16-17) through diligent study and prayer.

Your mishmash debunked right here @Episkopos.

J.

 

[Lizbeth]

Amen!!..Brother..Love you..,you handsome man....no disrespect Mrs Epi..lol,x

Rolling my eyes.