Where is the rule against discussion of the Trinity. I can't find it.

[Johann]

since the trinity is a forbidden topic. then it goes to reason any thread trying to stir up the trinity discussion would be a banned thread.

Shall we "lock" John 1.1?

THE TRINITY

Notice the activity of all three Persons of the Trinity in unified contexts. The term "trinity," first coined by Tertullian (A.D. 160-220), is not a biblical word, but the concept is pervasive.

In the NT
the Gospels
Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (and parallels)
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7-10
Acts ‒ Acts 2:32-33, 38-39
Paul
Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:1-4,8-10
1 Cor. 2:8-10; 12:4-6
2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14
Gal. 4:4-6
Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6
1 Thess. 1:2-5
2 Thess. 2:13
Titus 3:4-6
Peter ‒ 1 Pet. 1:2
John ‒ 1 John 3:23-24; 4:13-14; 5:6-8
Jude ‒ vv. 20-21

A plurality in God is hinted at in the OT.
Use of PLURALS for God
Name Elohim is PLURAL (see SPECIAL TOPIC: NAMES FOR DEITY, C.), but when used of God always has a SINGULAR VERB
"Us" in Genesis 1:26-27 (see full notes online); 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8
"One" in the Shema (BDB 1033) of Deut. 6:4 can be PLURAL (as it is in Gen. 2:24; Ezek. 37:17; SPECIAL TOPIC: SHEMA)
"The Angel of the Lord" (see SPECIAL TOPIC: The Angel of the Lord) was a visible representative of Deity
Genesis 16:7-13; 22:11-15; 31:11,13; 48:15-16
Exodus 3:2,4; 13:21; 14:19
Judges 2:1; 6:22-23; 13:3-22
Zechariah 3:1-2
God and His Spirit are separate, Gen. 1:1-2; Ps. 104:30; Isa. 63:9-11; Ezek. 37:13-14
God (YHWH) and Messiah (Adon) are separate, Ps. 45:6-7; 110:1; Zech. 2:8-11; 10:9-12
The Messiah and the Spirit are separate, Zech. 12:10
All three are mentioned in one context in Isa. 48:16 and 61:1

The Deity of Jesus (see (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE DEITY OF CHRIST FROM THE OT, and the NT verses: John 1:1-2; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30; 14:9; 17:11; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1) and the personality of the Spirit (see SPECIAL TOPIC: PERSONHOOD OF THE SPIRIT) caused problems for the strict, monotheistic (see SPECIAL TOPIC: MONOTHEISM) early Jewish believers.
Tertullian ‒ subordinated the Son to the Father
Origen ‒ subordinated the divine essence of the Son and the Spirit
Arius ‒ denied Deity to the Son and Spirit
Monarchianism ‒ believed in a successive chronological manifestation of the one God in the persons of Father, then Son, and then Spirit

The Trinity is a historically developed formulation informed by the biblical material.
the full Deity of Jesus, equal to the Father, was affirmed in A.D. 325 by the Council of Nicea (cf. John 1:1; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13)
the full personality and Deity of the Spirit equal to the Father and Son was affirmed in A.D. 381 by the Council of Constantinople
the doctrine of the Trinity is fully expressed in Augustine's work De Trinitate. There is truly mystery here. But the NT affirms one eternal divine essence (monotheism) with three eternal personal manifestations (Father, Son, and Spirit).
For more information on the developed doctrinal understanding of the Trinity or Tri-Unity of God, see

Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed., chapter 16, "God's Three-in-Oneness: The Trinity," pp. 340-367.
Hard Sayings of the Bible, John 1:1; "One God or Three?", pp. 490-492

Be my guess, report this since this is going to "disappear"

J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I find it odd that someone has the gull to say a person who does not believe or questions if jesus is God is saolvic but the topic about a person believing in eternal security. or the question of once a person is saved are they always saved is not.

Talk about mass confusion and selective reasoning

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Shall we "lock" John 1.1?

THE TRINITY

Notice the activity of all three Persons of the Trinity in unified contexts. The term "trinity," first coined by Tertullian (A.D. 160-220), is not a biblical word, but the concept is pervasive.

In the NT
the Gospels
Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (and parallels)
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7-10
Acts ‒ Acts 2:32-33, 38-39
Paul
Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:1-4,8-10
1 Cor. 2:8-10; 12:4-6
2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14
Gal. 4:4-6
Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6
1 Thess. 1:2-5
2 Thess. 2:13
Titus 3:4-6
Peter ‒ 1 Pet. 1:2
John ‒ 1 John 3:23-24; 4:13-14; 5:6-8
Jude ‒ vv. 20-21

A plurality in God is hinted at in the OT.
Use of PLURALS for God
Name Elohim is PLURAL (see SPECIAL TOPIC: NAMES FOR DEITY, C.), but when used of God always has a SINGULAR VERB
"Us" in Genesis 1:26-27 (see full notes online); 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8
"One" in the Shema (BDB 1033) of Deut. 6:4 can be PLURAL (as it is in Gen. 2:24; Ezek. 37:17; SPECIAL TOPIC: SHEMA)
"The Angel of the Lord" (see SPECIAL TOPIC: The Angel of the Lord) was a visible representative of Deity
Genesis 16:7-13; 22:11-15; 31:11,13; 48:15-16
Exodus 3:2,4; 13:21; 14:19
Judges 2:1; 6:22-23; 13:3-22
Zechariah 3:1-2
God and His Spirit are separate, Gen. 1:1-2; Ps. 104:30; Isa. 63:9-11; Ezek. 37:13-14
God (YHWH) and Messiah (Adon) are separate, Ps. 45:6-7; 110:1; Zech. 2:8-11; 10:9-12
The Messiah and the Spirit are separate, Zech. 12:10
All three are mentioned in one context in Isa. 48:16 and 61:1

The Deity of Jesus (see (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE DEITY OF CHRIST FROM THE OT, and the NT verses: John 1:1-2; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30; 14:9; 17:11; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1) and the personality of the Spirit (see SPECIAL TOPIC: PERSONHOOD OF THE SPIRIT) caused problems for the strict, monotheistic (see SPECIAL TOPIC: MONOTHEISM) early Jewish believers.
Tertullian ‒ subordinated the Son to the Father
Origen ‒ subordinated the divine essence of the Son and the Spirit
Arius ‒ denied Deity to the Son and Spirit
Monarchianism ‒ believed in a successive chronological manifestation of the one God in the persons of Father, then Son, and then Spirit

The Trinity is a historically developed formulation informed by the biblical material.
the full Deity of Jesus, equal to the Father, was affirmed in A.D. 325 by the Council of Nicea (cf. John 1:1; Phil. 2:6; Titus 2:13)
the full personality and Deity of the Spirit equal to the Father and Son was affirmed in A.D. 381 by the Council of Constantinople
the doctrine of the Trinity is fully expressed in Augustine's work De Trinitate. There is truly mystery here. But the NT affirms one eternal divine essence (monotheism) with three eternal personal manifestations (Father, Son, and Spirit).
For more information on the developed doctrinal understanding of the Trinity or Tri-Unity of God, see

Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed., chapter 16, "God's Three-in-Oneness: The Trinity," pp. 340-367.
Hard Sayings of the Bible, John 1:1; "One God or Three?", pp. 490-492

Be my guess, report this since this is going to "disappear"

J.

dude, You are pushing it. You have been told this is a forbidden topic. and your pushing. its a good way to get yourself banned. @Rita and other mods I am sure are not going to take this lightly. it is like you are throwing it in their face.

 

[Johann]

I find it odd that someone has the gull to say a person who does not believe or questions if jesus is God is saolvic but the topic about a person believing in eternal security. or the question of once a person is saved are they always saved is not.

Talk about mass confusion and selective reasoning

@Behold or me?

J.

 

[Wick Stick]

Personally, I believe that all your threads should be locked, @St. SteVen, to help the forum regain its balance.

The moderators come down hard on the most doctrinally significant topics, such as the Triune Godhead, which are firmly rooted in Scripture. However, your brand of universalism is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Yet, you have inundated this “sinking ship” with your heretical and insipid version of the gospel that Paul warns us about.

@Rita

J.

Wow... has this thread become the trial of @St. SteVen ? (now why does that sound familiar?)

My $0.02: I appreciate Steven's thread creation... there are few enough people that ask questions without taking an opportunity to hoist themselves up on a pulpit and attempt to sermonize me for pages and pages. Short, relevant questions make for good posts. In other words, topics work better when you don't put all the answers in the opening post.

@Rita

 

[Johann]

dude, You are pushing it. You have been told this is a forbidden topic. and your pushing. its a good way to get yourself banned. @Rita and other mods I am sure are not going to take this lightly. it is like you are throwing it in their face.

The very fact you are "calling" for @Rita IS to get me banned-right?

And I'm not your "dude" mate.

J.

 

[Behold]

Once saved always saved,

OSAS, was created as an argument against Paul, by heretical Jews, to cause people who are Christians, to become blinded and unable to comprehend God's Grace, as the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.

JUDE said that these came into the Church and "subverted the Gospel"..

So, its heretics who are saying..>>"oh you are teaching License to sin"...
That is not a believer doing that...
The believer, is the one who is trying to explain Salvation in Christ, to the heretic who is misdefining Eternal lIfe as "license to sin"..

So, they teach.. "oh, you believe in that OSAS stuff"...

Thats legalism

Legalism, regarding a Christian, who is in it, simply means that they believe that Jesus saved them, but they dont believe they are kept saved by Jesus.
So, they are trying to do it, by law keeping, or commandment keeping or, confessing sin..........its a long list of "what i hAVE TO DO, to keep myself saved", that is now become their faith. .. in themselves to try to keep themselves saved.

So that is no faith in Christ........
Its broken faith.

Eternal security is once a person is saved they are always saved.

Eternal Security, is Eternal Life, and if you have it, then you are saved.

If you dont have it, then you are not.

Jesus is Eternal Life, so, if we are born again, then we are "IN CHRIST" as a "new Creation"...
There is our eternal life. Its to be IN CHIRST< who IS Himself : Eternal Life.

But it all has to do with the gospel.

The Gospel is that Jesus Died on the Cross, for your sin, (for the sin of the world) and rose again from the Dead.

That is not the same idea as : OSAS.

 

[Wick Stick]

What do you think defines a Christian? Can someone who follows Christ's commandments as God gives them grace to do so, believes Christ died for their sins, trusts Christ for their salvation, believes the Christ is "the son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16 reference, for those of you keeping score at home), but does not believe that Jesus is God Himself, would you consider them Christians?

Yes. The bolded part is all that matters.

 

[Wick Stick]

And I'm not your "dude" mate.

Funny, I didn't think you were Canadian...

 

[Johann]

Funny, I didn't think you were Canadian...

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Something on your mind?

J.

 

[Behold]

there are few enough people that ask questions

There is a difference between an assault on the Topic, poised as a legit Question....vs, a legit question.

So that tends to be the issue with these Threads.

See, for example, a legit question, about the Bible, is not.>>>"well, there are errors in the bible".. So, Lets have a honest discussion about the bible. (that ive now attacked)

See that attack on the bible, that is pretending to be a question or sincere discussion about it?

So, that is how a deceiver plays on a forum, to try to harm the faith of Real Christians.

That's the issue.

 

[Johann]

There is a difference between an assault on the Topic, poised as a legit Question....vs, a legit question.

So that tends to be the issue with these Threads.

See, for example, a legit question, about the Bible, is not.>>>"well, there are errors in the bible".. Lets have a discussion about the bible.

See that attack on the bible, that is pretending to be a question about it?

So, that is how a deceiver plays on a forum.

That's the issue.

Careful-you are about to be "Wick Sticked"

J.

 

[Lambano]

Yes. The bolded part is all that matters.

Others would've bolded different parts.

 

[Wick Stick]

I'm not your "dude" mate.

Something on your mind?

Weren't you quoting South Park? I though you were making a play on a well-known meme that originates... here:

 

[Behold]

Careful-you are about to be "Wick Sticked"

J.

Got it.

And as you know........ when people are "picking sides" because they dont care about Truth, then what are you dealing with, really?

Ive been on a Forum, where a MODERATOR wrote a detailed post that said...>>"The Bible is not to be trusted, its man made, its filled with errors, its only designed by carnal dishonest men to cause you to become their ...."

So, i reposted... "Why are Mods allowed to attack the word of God, on a "christian" forum".

Answer:

= """""BANNED for attacking a Mod.""""""

See how some children play on Forums?

 

[Johann]

Got it.

And as you know........ when people are "picking sides" because they dont care about Truth, then what are you dealing with, really?

Ive been on Forums, where a MODERATOR wrote a detailed post that said...>>"The Bible is not to be trusted, its man made, its filled with errors, its only designed by carnal dishonest men to cause you to become their ...."

So, i reposted... "Why are Mods allowed to attack the Word of God, on a "christian" forum".

Answer:

= BANNED for attacking a Mod.

See how some children play on Forums?

I completely agree-taking sides, attacking the Scriptures, adding "universalism" to the mix, and showing favoritism.
Here a little, there a little, a little bit of this, a little bit of that and voila! Another gospel.
We have cliques here-no doubt about it.

It’s surprising what some will do for a "like" or a "love."

God bless.

J.

 

[Rita]

Take your arguing elsewhere - this thread was allowed to remain open earlier but not anymore x