Where is the rule against discussion of the Trinity. I can't find it.

[GodsGrace]

Well, GodsGrace, you certainly started this post being disrespectful. However, I know what you are saying, because many do not understand what I am saying.

Isn't it interesting that we Christians do not understand each other at times?
Shouldn't we all be speaking the same "language"?
Why do you think MANY do not understand what you are saying?

Let's suppose that an issue came up in scripture - one you saw one way while everyone else took a different understanding. Let's further suppose that you examined scripture - including non-translated interlinear manuscripts -

You have access to untranslated manuscripts?
And what are interlinear manuscripts?
You know about some non-translated interlinear manuscripts ?
What IS a manuscript??

to see what you can perceive as to why the English or Italian words don't match that the word definitions actually mean.

I don't believe we need to know what a Greek word used 2,000 years ago means in order to perceive what God's promises are to us.
His promises are very few....
I do believe His promises will come through in ANY language even if there are some mistakes in how a word is translated.
Does hell exist?
Only one word in the NT means hell...
So, what are we to make of it?

A theologian requires knowledge of what every single word means in the Greek...
if a person is NOT a theologian,,,it will not be necessary to know what the Greek words mean in order for us to be saved.

There is a dilemma that exists among church-goers that seems to be worldwide. On one hand, they find it much more convenient to believe that person with a seminary degree and not delve into personal research. On the other hand, the plain reading of your bible doesn't seem to jive with what you are hearing.

I haven't found this to be a problem UNLESS a person is attending a cultish denomination OR
their church is getting a doctrine wrong (there's a church near me that believes a person could be saved after death)....
usually what is being preached should jive with what the bible teaches.

Not everyone could do personal research....
I do believe that if we follow God, we will know if something is being taught that is blatantly wrong.
I believe those that don't notice this DO NOT WANT to notice it...
it's more convenient for them not to.
For instance, someone may be engaged in sexual sin and would prefer to believe that God is OK with this.
(because it suits them).

I'll assume you want to know the truth, but you are not certain what it is. And, heaven forbid you find out that the majority of the people around you disagree with you......

What I have personally discovered, people will claim to believe what the person next to them claims in true. That person is not bothered enough to go search it out. That person claims to believe the Bible.

Am sure there are persons like this.
In every church.

On the other hand, peer pressure doesn't affect you and you want "the truth." So, you might fall back into believing your bible that "you have no need that anyone teach you." So, you take your question to God and wait on Him. If your relationship with God and His Son is what it is supposed to be, at some point in the future, the truth will comes as a conviction that you cannot ignore. You now "know." It comes from God's spirit in you and teaches you.

This could be too. But I agree 100% with @Eternally Grateful .
He and I have the same concern....
HOW is it that God speaks to everyone but they come away believing different doctrine?
Is God a God of confusion?

Isn't some balance in order here?
Those that know more than we do should be listened to.
But then we also have to know for ourselves that we at least agree with them.

God is going to judge us on what we know....
not on what someone is teaching us.
UNLESS it goes back to what I was saying before....
about ignoring some doctrine because it's inconvenient to us.

Now, no matter what the preacher or teacher tells you, their words fall flat as soon as they are uttered.

If you have never experienced this type of teaching, then it will be difficult to accept. When I had the conviction, even when I didn't want to accept it, God wouldn't let me. I've had only a few of those issues personally, but the peace with those issues are precious to me. All, I think, it takes is the drawing near to God and surrendering yourself totally to Him. It took me years to reach that point. I was rebellious, I was in ministry, and I had a degree of pride that I regret. So, the day I surrendered is like yesterday to me, but it was a long time ago.

Agreed. I think this goes back, again, to what I just stated.

When it comes to scripture study, I include ALL of scripture - no banned topics. I don't think God approves of censored scripture.

Sure. Between you and me.
But this is a forum and they're not easy to run...
some rules must apply.

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh, I can only feel saddened by that has been done to the scriptures and our bible translations. The bible on your table does not match the writings of the Apostles or Peter or James. Those writing have been passed through different languages, been added to, and had words mistranslated in order to support church-mandated doctrines. It is not at all difficult to find many of those changes. It is amazing that a whole belief can be dictated by the addition of a comma where it doesn't belong.

And then, to top it off, most of us cannot understand things because we are not 2000 years old Jews. We fail to study ancient Israel and their customs and methods. I see with "Western Eyes" and only think I understand.

That is why I depend only on God when I have questions. I start with a bible, then an interlinear, and then I have books in my library to help with my understanding.

After expending this effort to answer my questions, I give it to Yahweh to give me truth.

Learning these things transformed my walk with Christ.

Where do you find the writings of the Apostles or Peter or James?
Not in the bible?

 

[Lambano]

Are we assuming some forum members are so weak in their faith, the posts from SS will damage them?

Good grief, Charlie Brown. "We have to protect the children!" is common strawman presented by people who want to suppress views they don't like. Look, in today's world and with the internet, they're going to be exposed to much worse. We might as well get it out in the open.

 

[Johann]

Thank you for your comments.

For what it is worth, I find that St. Steven’s posts challenge me to understand scripture more thoroughly. Since I am secure in my faith, I am not bothered by off questions and comments.

Nonetheless, your perspective is important. Indeed, there is a least one member whose posts strike me as intentionally sacrilegious, and I reported one of them to the staff. Now, I simply ignore all posts from that person.

Does 1 Corinthians 8 speak to this issue? Are we assuming some forum members are so weak in their faith, the posts from SS will damage them? Perhaps you might could offer a post in the spirit of 1 Corinthians 8, and test it. I would welcome the discussion.

Peace and blessings.

No I don't believe 1 Corinthians 8 speaks to this issue-more like-

Gal 1:6 A Different Gospel
¶ I am astonished that you are turning away so quickly from the one who called you by the grace of Christ to a different gospel,
Gal 1:7 not that there is a different gospel , except there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim a gospel to you contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let him be accursed!
Gal 1:9 As we said before, and now I say again, if anyone is proclaiming a gospel to you contrary to what you have received, let him be accursed!
Gal 1:10 For am I now making an appeal to people or to God? Or am I seeking to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ.


Gal_1:6 "I am amazed" Instead of a thanksgiving—so common in Pauline writings—Paul observed with astonishment (the verb is found only here and 2Th_1:10 in Paul's writings) that the Galatians had been too easily wooed away from the pure, simple, majestic gospel of justification by grace through faith by the false teachers.

"so quickly" Two senses are possible: (1) so soon after they accepted the gospel that Paul preached, or (2) so soon after the false teachers came.

"deserting Him" This verb is present tense, indicating the Galatians were in the process of turning away. "deserting" is a military term for revolt. Note the emphasis is on the personal element of turning away from God Himself by rejecting Paul's gospel. It can be a present passive verbal form, but the larger context (cf. Gal_3:1 ff; Gal_5:7) implies a present middle form. This emphasizes that although the false teachers instigated the deserting, the Galatians willingly participated in it.
Utley.
Ye are so quickly removing (houtōs tacheōs metatithesthe). The present middle indicative of metatithēmi, to change places, to transfer. “You are transferring yourselves” and doing it “so quickly” either from the time of their conversion or most likely from the time when the Judaizers came and tempted them. So easily some of them are falling victims to these perverters of the gospel. That is a continuous amazement (thaumazō) to Paul and to men today that so many are so silly and so gullible to modern as to ancient charlatans.

Unto a different gospel (eis heteron euaggelion). See note on 2Co_11:4 for distinction between allo and heteron as here. It is not here or there a mere difference in emphasis or spirit as in Php_1:18 so long as Christ is preached. These men as in 2Co_11:4 preach “another Jesus” and a “different gospel” and so have fallen away from grace and have done away with Christ (Gal_5:4). Hence the vehemence of Paul’s words.
Robertson.

I'm glad to hear that his posts aren't troubling you, but they are definitely causing me some concern.
Which person's posts do you see as intentionally sacrileges?

J.

 

[GodsGrace]

And So do these topics... fan the flames of fighting.

Mary
Water Baptism
Catholic Theology
OSAS
You can Lose your Salvation
Calvinism
Hell is not real
Errors in the Bible

Just those 8 topics alone... if they were restricted from discussion, would resolve, 95% of the fighting that is never ending on this Forum, because those Topics, just like "IS Jesus God", cannot be resolved in peace.

So, get rid of them, as there are more things to discuss, regarding the word of God, but you'd never know it on This Forum.

Yeah. But then what are we going to fight about?
LOL

Seriously,
Mary......The CC wants to venerate her? Let them. It's good as far as I'm concerned. WE don't give her ENOUGH veneration.
But it could be discussed.

Water Baptism.....what a complicated subject. I think I know a lot about it, but wow, could it be discussed. Never saw much fighting over it, but disagreement, yes.

Catholic Theology.....WHICH doctrine are we discussing here? Such a huge range of doctrine....Now THIS can cause some really strong disagreement and some forums have created a Catholic "safe zone" so as to limit the punches and black eyes.

OSAS.....Christianity is somewhat split on this. You and I don't agree. But it doesn't affect OUR salvation...although it could damage the salvation of some....Same Old Story.

Calvinism, Hell is not real, Errors in the bible....
I just realized how long your list is.

So, just to say this:
All of the above can be discussed by Christian folk.
Top notch theologians don't even agree.

However,
Can a person NOT believe Jesus is God and STILL be a Christian?
Yeah. This needs to be kept out of forums...
PLUS,,,do you know how many threads there would be on this?
TOO MANY!

I don't believe this forum is prohibiting all the subjects you mentioned...
so let's be fair.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We all have our own views, learning, understanding, and opinions, right? However, we’re not very open about which church we’re fellowshipping with. While each of us believes we possess the truth, the members of the body truly need one another-there are no lone rangers, correct?

J.

I personally could care less what church a person goes to. I want to talk to them as individuals. I do not agree with everything my church teaches. there is no perfect local church..

so I have no issue if a person does not want to tell me.. as long as they are going to a church

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And So do these topics... fan the flames of fighting.

Mary
Water Baptism
Catholic Theology
OSAS
You can Lose your Salvation
Calvinism
Hell is not real
Errors in the Bible

Just those 8 topics alone... if they were restricted from discussion, would resolve, 95% of the fighting that is never ending on this Forum, because those Topics, just like "IS Jesus God", cannot be resolved in peace.

So, get rid of them, as there are more things to discuss, regarding the word of God, but you'd never know it on This Forum.

again, 2 of these topics are salvic in nature. You can not get rid of them

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you for your comments.

For what it is worth, I find that St. Steven’s posts challenge me to understand scripture more thoroughly. Since I am secure in my faith, I am not bothered by off questions and comments.

Nonetheless, your perspective is important. Indeed, there is a least one member whose posts strike me as intentionally sacrilegious, and I reported one of them to the staff. Now, I simply ignore all posts from that person.

Does 1 Corinthians 8 speak to this issue? Are we assuming some forum members are so weak in their faith, the posts from SS will damage them? Perhaps you might could offer a post in the spirit of 1 Corinthians 8, and test it. I would welcome the discussion.

Peace and blessings.

thats what we should do. report them, and let mods handle it..

 

[Behold]

Seriously,
Mary......The CC wants to venerate her? Let them.

Im not a Catholic, because of their Theology, related to Salvation....... but i have studied some of the Lives of what Catholics defined as "their Saints".
One of my Favs is St Bernadette.
Ive read about 5 books on her Life, ministry, in the last 4 months...... what a blessing ..
She's Remarkable Christian.

Water Baptism.....what a complicated subject.

Its not complicated.
Water Baptism, was what OT Jews were told to do by John the Baptist.
"repent and be water baptized for the remission of your sin".
So, that is not forgiveness, as you find with The Cross of Christ.

Peter, only knew of "johns water baptism".. so, in Acts 2, He told those JEWS... "repent and be baptized" for Killing Jesus.
He didnt tell them to do it, to be born again, or saved.
So, some Cults, took Peter's words about "repent and be water baptized" because the JEWS at Pentecost were told by Peter, "you murdered your Messiah", and They said... "what must we do about that'..

"Repent and be water baptized"

So, that is not the Gospel......that is Peter, and those Jews, in that situation...

2000 yrs later, you have Cults that teach THAT as "how to become a Christian".

See, its easy to understand but, if you have been taught that the water baptism, from Acts 2, is "how to be saved" "how to haVe your sin washed away" then you have been deceived.

Catholic Theology.....WHICH doctrine are we discussing here? Such a huge range of doctrine....Now THIS can cause some really strong disagreement and some forums have created a Catholic "safe zone" so as to limit the punches and black eyes.

For me, the Demonic part is that the Catholic Bible, "Douay Rheims"... = teaches in John 3, that you are "born again BY Water".

I wasn't.
I was born again by the HOLY SPIRIT, just like any Real Believer........no water around me.
I was water baptized 11 yrs after i was born again..

See that?
So, That is that "Acts 2" nonsense, that i just posted to you, in the previous post.

OSAS.....Christianity is somewhat split on this. You and I don't agree. But it doesn't affect OUR salvation...although it could damage the salvation of some....Same Old Story.

Jesus is Eternal Life, and that is why He can Give it to you.

"All that believe in me, i GIVE UNTO YOU>.. Eternal Life, and you shall never go to HELL (Perish)..."""

So, that is why John says, "you can KNOW you have Eternal Life".

Not guess, and hope, and worry about it.
But KNOW that you have it.

Is eternal life, temporary? ????? = Not if its Jesus who is IN YOU.....as that is why you have it., or not.
And...Where He is going, you will be right there, for as long as God lives.
In fact, all the born again are "seated in Heavenly places in Christ"... right now.

This is why its called "ETERNAL.... security".

Calvinism, Hell is not real, Errors in the bible....
I just realized how long your list is.

And these are topics that wont be resolved on a forum, in peace, because they are "sensitive" and "convicting"...

People get stung, and they bite back. Members do it, Mods do it., a religious spirit is the issue.
People on forums get stung because what they believe, if its wrong, when corrected, they bite back.
Pride has long fangs.

Ive heard this...>>"well, how do you know that what you are teaching is true".

Simple, i dont teach my opinion.
I only teach Paul's Theology, and when a person says.>>>"what is that".......then that is why you have a forum filled with problems, because a good 95% of the people on a Forum like this one, have no idea what i am explaining, that is Paul's Doctrine.

And that is only because they are a product of a religious system, that has no idea what Paul teaches.

"what is that stuff".
"huh".
"Paul who".

Hes the one who gave us the Gospel.. Hes the one who taught us the 9 Spiritual Gifts. He is the one who explains how to choose a Pastor, a Bishop, and how to build a NT Church.. Paul is the one who gave us all the Church Doctrine.

Hes that one..

"who is that"
"umm what"/

So, that is why the reality is.... that "christian"...forums are a horrible bed of theological confusion..
And "strife and confusion" are the "work of the DEVIL"/

"Paul said what".
"Paul's doctrine".>"what is that".

Right...

So, just to say this:
All of the above can be discussed by Christian folk.
Top notch theologians don't even agree.

Well, as i pointed out, those 8 topics cause Mods to become TIRED of the endless "fighting"..

Yet, the topics remain, so the peace is destroyed.
Your reap the end result of what you allow.
That's how it always works out.

See, you have to quit feeding the fire, or it continues to BURN HOT.

Take away the wood, and the fires goes out.

However,
Can a person NOT believe Jesus is God and STILL be a Christian?

"Faith (in Christ) is counted by God" and then God gives the person the new Birth.

Its done.

"born again".

So, if later you have a faith crisis..............you have it while you are eternally born again........

 

[Behold]

again, 2 of these topics are salvic in nature. You can not get rid of them

I can teach soteriology, all day long, and not have to talk about water baptism, osas, Acts 2,....

See, all i have to talk about is THE CROSS of Christ... as that is were God provides "grace through faith" and "justification by faith".......period... done.

Im an Evangelist with a Teaching gift, so, i would love nothing more then to Talk about The Cross of Christ, from dawn to midnight, all the time.
As for me, thats my BREAD and BUTTER, my MINISTRY>...My CALLING !......as that is the "call of an evangelist'.
I teach, Paul's NT Doctrine, because that is my Gift.
I teach Paul's theology on Forums, when i have some time to do it, because God knows, its missing on them.

But for those who need to enjoy the fighting.......well.........just partition the Forum.

Have a section for these Topics... and dont let them become involved with the main Theology Sections.

Some Forums have :

A Catholic section.
A Calvinism section
A section for Mormons, JWs, and other Known Cults.
A "name your denomination" section.
A section for those "hot topics" that are for those who need to rant about them, and have nothing else to do on a Forum.

Now, if i owned this Forum, i would not allow, Cult Theology......at all., because it will destroy your faith.
Thats what Cults do.. Like Calvinism, for example.

But, if all this false theology is going to be allowed......on a Forum.. then "Go there",, but do not bring these 8 topics to the "Bible Theology" or "Salvation Theology".. General section.

Its east to do, but, only a few Forums, have figured this out..

I hope this one does, one day, soon.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I can teach soteriology, all day long, and not have to talk about water baptism, osas, Acts 2,....

See, all i have to talk about is THE CROSS of Christ... as that is were God provides "grace through faith" and "justification by faith".......period... done.

Im an Evangelist with a Teaching gift, so, i would love nothing more then to Talk about The Cross of Christ, from dawn to midnight, all the time.
As for me, thats my BREAD and BUTTER, my MINISTRY>...My CALLING !......as that is the "call of an evangelist'.
I teach, Paul's NT Doctrine, because that is my Gift.
I teach Paul's theology on Forums, when i have some time to do it, because God knows, its missing on them.

But for those who need to enjoy the fighting.......well.........just partition the Forum.

Have a section for these Topics... and dont let them become involved with the main Theology Sections.

Some Forums have :

A Catholic section.
A Calvinism section
A section for Mormons, JWs, and other Known Cults.
A "name your denomination" section.
A section for those "hot topics" that are for those who need to rant about them, and have nothing else to do on a Forum.

Now, if i owned this Forum, i would not allow, Cult Theology......at all., because it will destroy your faith.
Thats what Cults do.. Like Calvinism, for example.

But, if all this false theology is going to be allowed......on a Forum.. then "Go there",, but do not bring these 8 topics to the "Bible Theology" or "Salvation Theology".. General section.

Its east to do, but, only a few Forums, have figured this out..

I hope this one does, one day, soon.

You can not talk about the gospel without talking about eternal life.

You can not talk about eternal life with out talking about the possibility of salvation being lost or OSAS

 

[Behold]

You can not talk about eternal life with out talking about the possibility of salvation being lost or OSAS

OSAS, is not a discussion about eternal life.

Its an assault against the fact that Salvation is completed by Christ, vs... "here is your part" "finish your salvation that Jesus only started".


See, OSAS, is not PRO-Eternal Security......its actually a false concept, created by religious Jews, 2000 yrs ago, who tried to give Paul a lot of issues..
So, they said...>>"we hear that you are telling people that they can sin, so that Grace will come".

That is.>>>"license to sin"... .. Its the same subversion against the teaching of Grace, into... "licentiousness", so, that what happens is... the person hears the Gospel, when taught correctly as.. "they are teaching you can do anything"...
That is how these Gospel subverters want you to HEAR IT.

So, Eternal Security, is not that.. Eternal Security, is Born again = Life In Christ, who Himself is Eternal life. So, to be "IN Christ" is to have His Life, in you, that is Eternal.

 

[Lambano]

Can a person NOT believe Jesus is God and STILL be a Christian?

What do you think defines a Christian? Can someone who follows Christ's commandments as God gives them grace to do so, believes Christ died for their sins, trusts Christ for their salvation, believes the Christ is "the son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16 reference, for those of you keeping score at home), but does not believe that Jesus is God Himself, would you consider them Christians?

There are those on this site who are trinitarian and non-trinitarian whom I would embrace as brothers in Christ, but both consider me a heretic.

I would like a place where we could discuss it, though.

 

[Lambano]

again, 2 of these topics are salvic in nature. You can not get rid of them

At least 4 are, depending on who you ask. But who's counting?

I see that the only topics that are important are those that keep my butt out of Hell. My goodness, aren't we humans a self-centered bunch? But I'm not a cynic...

 

[APAK]

Personally, I believe that all your threads should be locked, @St. SteVen, to help the forum regain its balance.

The moderators come down hard on the most doctrinally significant topics, such as the Triune Godhead, which are firmly rooted in Scripture. However, your brand of universalism is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Yet, you have inundated this “sinking ship” with your heretical and insipid version of the gospel that Paul warns us about.

@Rita

J.

Regardless whether I believe in your doctrines and beliefs, and I generally do not agree with some of your major ones, Johann, what is not clearly known by its members, and not announced on this site of CB is that not only is the Trinity discussion banned, ANY topic that can easily lead into and associate itself with a Trinity discussion is also banned, especially regarding the nature of God and the Son of God.
Just look at the thread of GJohn 1:1 that was just locked. NO one actually spoke of the Trinity at all! Ity should not have been locked. Folks were generally careful in their responses.

And this knee-jerk axing of threads is going way to far that squelches a tome of important information and limits a wide variety of other subjects that are so important to address for truth seekers.

 

[Behold]

Can someone who follows Christ's commandments as God gives them grace to do so, believes Christ died for their sins, trusts Christ for their salvation, believes the Christ is "the son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16 reference, for those of you keeping score at home), but does not believe that Jesus is God Himself, would you consider them Christians?

Of course you can not believe that Jesus is God, and still be a CHRISTian.

See, believing that Jesus is the God man, is not The Gospel... so, not believing it, does not affect Salvation, as this Truth regarding the "Trinity", has no part is God's Redemption.

God is not looking for faith that Jesus is God, to then forgive us..
God is looking for faith that Jesus died for our sin... because this is to understand that you need it.

And FAITH in Christ, is based on, the revelation that you are a SINNER< needing To be forgiven.

Later, once you are born again.... if you dont believe in The Rapture, or if you can't grasp that "the Word made flesh" is John 1, "And the Word was God".
Or if you just can't believe that Hell is real...
Well, that is your mind, not understanding some things... regarding NTTheology... but its not going to change the fact that the person is BORN AGAIN.

See, Jesus said..>>"YOU MUST be born again"....>>He never said that anything else, will get you to heaven.. and that is because nothing else ever could.

John 14:6

So, if some of your theology, is confused or missing or wrong.... and you are born again, then Heaven is assured, as you are "in Christ" already.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

OSAS, is not a discussion about eternal life.

Actually yes it is

Once saved always saved, those who believe we have eternal life. believe this is true. those who believe we can loser salvation and thus do not have eternal life. do not believe this.

Its an assault against the fact that Salvation is completed by Christ, vs... "here is your part" "finish your salvation that Jesus only started".

or do you have eternal life or do you not yet have it..

See, OSAS, is not PRO-Eternal Security......its actually a false concept, created by religious Jews, 2000 yrs ago, who tried to give Paul a lot of issues..
So, they said...>>"we hear that you are telling people that they can sin, so that Grace will come".

lol. whatever. Osas is a term which means once a person is saved they are always saved.

That is.>>>"license to sin"... .. Its the same subversion against the teaching of Grace, into... "licentiousness", so, that what happens is... the person hears the Gospel, when taught correctly as.. "they are teaching you can do anything"...
That is how these Gospel subverters want you to HEAR IT.

Thats legalism

So, Eternal Security, is not that.. Eternal Security, is Born again = Life In Christ, who Himself is Eternal life. So, to be "IN Christ" is to have His Life, in you, that is Eternal.

Eternal security is once a person is saved they are always saved.

do people take it out of context. do people fight against it. yes.

But it all has to do with the gospel.

 

[Johann]

Regardless whether I believe in your doctrines and beliefs, and I generally do not agree with some of your major ones, Johann, what is not clearly known by its members, and not announced on this site of CB is that not only is the Trinity discussion banned, ANY topic that can easily lead into and associate itself with a Trinity discussion is also banned, especially regarding the nature of God and the Son of God.
Just look at the thread of GJohn 1:1 that was just locked. NO one actually spoke of the Trinity at all! Ity should not have been locked. Folks were generally careful in their responses.

And this knee-jerk axing of threads is going way to far that squelches a tome of important information and limits a wide variety of other subjects that are so important to address for truth seekers.

Yes, I noticed the John 1:1 thread was locked-it’s a shame. I don’t agree with some of your major doctrines either. But it seems that any thread can be locked by members who name the "forbidden" topics just to make room for their own nonsensical, heretical teachings, doesn’t it?

The ignore feature comes in handy @APAK.

J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I noticed the John 1:1 thread was locked-it’s a shame. I don’t agree with some of your major doctrines either. But it seems that any thread can be locked by members who name the "forbidden" topics just to make room for their own nonsensical, heretical teachings, doesn’t it?

The ignore feature comes in handy @APAK.

J.

since the trinity is a forbidden topic. then it goes to reason any thread trying to stir up the trinity discussion would be a banned thread.

 

[Johann]

Of course you can not believe that Jesus is God, and still be a CHRISTian.

See, believing that Jesus is the God man, is not The Gospel... so, not believing it, does not affect Salvation, as this Truth regarding the "Trinity", has no part is God's Redemption.

God is not looking for faith that Jesus is God, to then forgive us..
God is looking for faith that Jesus died for our sin... because this is to understand that you need it.

And FAITH in Christ, is based on, the revelation that you are a SINNER< needing To be forgiven.

Later, once you are born again.... if you dont believe in The Rapture, or if you can't grasp that "the Word made flesh" is John 1, "And the Word was God".
Or if you just can't believe that Hell is real...
Well, that is your mind, not understanding some things... regarding NTTheology... but its not going to change the fact that the person is BORN AGAIN.

See, Jesus said..>>"YOU MUST be born again"....>>He never said that anything else, will get you to heaven.. and that is because nothing else ever could.

John 14:6

So, if some of your theology, is confused or missing or wrong.... and you are born again, then Heaven is assured, as you are "in Christ" already.

One of your best posts I've seen.

J.