God's Hatred

[Phoneman777]

Sorry, but you haven't taught me anything. All you have done is share your opinion about what those scriptures are saying. I don't agree with your view, because you had to impose too much of your opinion to them.

I don't think those verses require so much to be added to them, they don't need much interpretation at all. I get the sense that they bother you, because they don't line up with your theology.

You keep telling me I'm wrong but can't explain why except to say what I present is "opinion".

That's not a rebuttal - it's a tantrum.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Look, just address my points, can you?

>The fact that in both Luke 14 and Matthew 10, Jesus presents IDENTICAL themes dealing with our need to prioritize Jesus over that which often receives our highest priority - family - and these two verses teach we're to both "love Jesus more than family" and "hate" family. If we interpret "hate" as "absence of love" how is there room to "love" family less than Jesus? Interpreting "hate" as "love less" perfectly harmonizes the two texts.

>The fact that we are commanded to "love thy neighbor" which includes those who are not part of the "brethren" like the Samaritan. Are we to "love" pagan Samaritans who aren't members of "the brethren" but "hate" with total absence of love for our own flesh and blood parents who don't know the Lord but are just as humanitarian as this Samaritan?

You may interpret "hate" in Luke 14:26 to mean love less. But I don't, and since the bible doesn't spell it out either way, we can't claim that our view is right and other views are wrong. Jesus doesn't only command us to hate our family but, we are to hate our lives as well, and we are not to love the world either. Arminian theology teaches that God loves everyone and that He is trying to save everyone, but due to His limitations, He can't.

In Matthew 10:36 Jesus declares that the enemies of Gods people, will be those of their own household. Then in verse 37, He says he who loves father or mother (enemies) more than Me is not worthy of Me. Why would Jesus say that our enemies are those of our own household, is He saying that our parents are our enemies???

I don't think that "love less" describes the gravity of what Jesus was saying. It's like you have watered down and diluted that harsh doctrine. I'm not suggesting that we hate our parents the same way we hate Satan, but our love for Christ must make our love for our family look like hate in comparison. Our loyalty must be to Christ 100%, Jesus will not share His glory with anyone. He is a jealous God, who demands everything we have from us, otherwise we can't be His Disciples.

 

[Phoneman777]

You may interpret "hate" in Luke 14:26 to mean love less. But I don't, and since the bible doesn't spell it out either way, we can't claim that our view is right and other views are wrong. Jesus doesn't only command us to hate our family but, we are to hate our lives as well, and we are not to love the world either. Arminian theology teaches that God loves everyone and that He is trying to save everyone, but due to His limitations, He can't.

In Matthew 10:36 Jesus declares that the enemies of Gods people, will be those of their own household. Then in verse 37, He says he who loves father or mother (enemies) more than Me is not worthy of Me. Why would Jesus say that our enemies are those of our own household, is He saying that our parents are our enemies???

I don't think that "love less" describes the gravity of what Jesus was saying. It's like you have watered down and diluted that harsh doctrine. I'm not suggesting that we hate our parents the same way we hate Satan, but our love for Christ must make our love for our family look like hate in comparison. Our loyalty must be to Christ 100%, Jesus will not share His glory with anyone. He is a jealous God, who demands everything we have from us, otherwise we can't be His Disciples.

I've given you ample time to explain how it is that the children are supposed to "hate with all absence of love" their unconverted parents, but "love with all absence of hate" their pagan idolatrous non-brethren Samaritan neighbor and you've failed to do so.

Understand?

The argument is over. You've lost. "Hate parents" in Luke 14 means "love parents less than Jesus" in like manner that we're directed in Matthew 10 to not "love father and mother more than Me".

Calvinism is now dead and the "Good Samaritan" killed it. All that's necessary is for it to be given a proper burial.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I've given you ample time to explain how it is that the children are supposed to "hate with all absence of love" their unconverted parents, but "love with all absence of hate" their pagan idolatrous non-brethren Samaritan neighbor and you've failed to do so.

Understand?

The argument is over. You've lost. "Hate parents" in Luke 14 means "love parents less than Jesus" in like manner that we're directed in Matthew 10 to not "love father and mother more than Me".

Calvinism is now dead and the "Good Samaritan" killed it. All that's necessary is for it to be given a proper burial.

The only thing you have achieved, is to impose your private view over what God said and then try to push it as the correct interpretation of those scriptures. All the while, ignoring the fact that there are many different interpretations, and everyone thinks theirs is the only correct one.
Welcome to the world of cults and sects, where everyone is right and the rest are wrong

 

[Phoneman777]

The only thing you have achieved, is to impose your private view over what God said and then try to push it as the correct interpretation of those scriptures. All the while, ignoring the fact that there are many different interpretations, and everyone thinks theirs is the only correct one.
Welcome to the world of cults and sects, where everyone is right and the rest are wrong

The best thing about public debate is that people have the opportunity to see first hand when an unanswerable argument exposes the error of those who fail to answer it.

It's clear to everyone you've failed to explain how it is the divine command to "love thy pagan, non-brethren neighbor without exception" leaves room for us to "hate with total absence of love" our flesh and blood parents to whom we're divinely commanded to "honor" and "obey". Yes, your silence is deafening.

What a shame that the same satanic spirit that makes occult "Religion of Exclusivity" so appealing to lost Freemasons and other Luciferians who believe they're "specially chosen" is the same spirit that motivates Calvinists.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The best thing about public debate is that people have the opportunity to see first hand when an unanswerable argument exposes the error of those who fail to answer it.

It's clear to everyone you've failed to explain how it is the divine command to "love thy pagan, non-brethren neighbor without exception" leaves room for us to "hate with total absence of love" our flesh and blood parents to whom we're divinely commanded to "honor" and "obey". Yes, your silence is deafening.

What a shame that the same satanic spirit that makes occult "Religion of Exclusivity" so appealing to lost Freemasons and other Luciferians who believe they're "specially chosen" is the same spirit that motivates Calvinists.

I have no trouble accepting what the scriptures say, but I have a major problem with those who add and superimpose their word over what Gods Word says. Blow is a perfect example of this, just look ay how much you added to what Jesus said. You added so much that, what Jesus said is lost in your addition of Arminian Doctrine.

It's clear to everyone you've failed to explain how it is the divine command to "love thy pagan, non-brethren neighbor without exception" leaves room for us to "hate with total absence of love" our flesh and blood parents to whom we're divinely commanded to "honor" and "obey". Yes, your silence is deafening.

 

[Phoneman777]

I have no trouble accepting what the scriptures say, but I have a major problem with those who add and superimpose their word over what Gods Word says. Blow is a perfect example of this, just look ay how much you added to what Jesus said. You added so much that, what Jesus said is lost in your addition of Arminian Doctrine.

It's clear to everyone you've failed to explain how it is the divine command to "love thy pagan, non-brethren neighbor without exception" leaves room for us to "hate with total absence of love" our flesh and blood parents to whom we're divinely commanded to "honor" and "obey". Yes, your silence is deafening.

Exactly what did I add?
By default, a "Samaritan" is a "non-brethren" pagan...right or wrong?
Yet, he was more a neighbor to the man who fell among thieves than was his "brethren"...right or wrong?

I've added nothing and you've answered nothing.

You have no trouble accepting your own flawed interpretation of Scripture, as evidenced by your failure to step up to my Biblical challenge to your unBiblical ideas. Your Religion of Exclusivity you share with Luciferians and occultists that also believe themselves "specially chosen" cannot be substantiated by the Word of God.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Exactly what did I add?
By default, a "Samaritan" is a "non-brethren" pagan...right or wrong?
Yet, he was more a neighbor to the man who fell among thieves than was his "brethren"...right or wrong?

I've added nothing and you've answered nothing.

You have no trouble accepting your own flawed interpretation of Scripture, as evidenced by your failure to step up to my Biblical challenge to your unBiblical ideas. Your Religion of Exclusivity you share with Luciferians and occultists that also believe themselves "specially chosen" cannot be substantiated by the Word of God.

I'm not sure if you're aware of the fact that the latest survey conducted in 2024 found that we now have 45,000 Christian Denominations. Each of these believe they posses the correct interpretation while they vehemently oppose the majority of the other denominations.

I see you have convinced yourself that your theology is sound and anyone who dares to reject your theology as heresy must be wrong. Well you're in the majority of those blind denominations, who have convinced themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

BRAVO......

 

[Phoneman777]

I'm not sure if you're aware of the fact that the latest survey conducted in 2024 found that we now have 45,000 Christian Denominations. Each of these believe they posses the correct interpretation while they vehemently oppose the majority of the other denominations.

I see you have convinced yourself that your theology is sound and anyone who dares to reject your theology as heresy must be wrong. Well you're in the majority of those blind denominations, who have convinced themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

BRAVO......

Mine is the only one that doesn't ignore inconsistent theology nor run away from a challenge - as you've done.

You believe we're to love without hate a pagan non-brethren neighbor but hate our own parents - which is the height of reDONKulousness.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Mine is the only one that doesn't ignore inconsistent theology nor run away from a challenge - as you've done.

You believe we're to love without hate a pagan non-brethren neighbor but hate our own parents - which is the height of reDONKulousness.

Your denomination is no different than the other 45,000 because all denominations have departed from the original gospel message. The reason denominations came into existence is because they rejected the gospel as it was given by Christ and they removed all the hard doctrines and replaced them with seeker friendly doctrines.

Just as your denomination has rejected Gods hatred of sinners and replaced the true God with some long haired hippy who loves everyone without exception, including child raping murderers. You can have that god all to yourself.

 

[Ritajanice]

Am I wrong in believing that God hates sin not the sinner....I too was a sinner, he loved me enough to bring me into his Kingdom.

We are also called to Love one another from the heart, therefore it is God Loving the un- believer / sinner from within us...just my thoughts.

 

[Ritajanice]

including child raping murderers

Maybe so, but, God can turn that around , if it’s his will....only God can bring them out of their darkness.

Have you ever read testimonies of men/ woman who have done terrible acts.

They have come to the Lord by his will...is anyone beyond redemption ?
I would say.. only God knows the answer to that.
Only God can draw a sinner to Jesus, bring them to repentance / Godly sorrow..

.God Bless as you continue your journey with the Lord.Brother.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Your denomination is no different than the other 45,000 because all denominations have departed from the original gospel message. The reason denominations came into existence is because they rejected the gospel as it was given by Christ and they removed all the hard doctrines and replaced them with seeker friendly doctrines.

Just as your denomination has rejected Gods hatred of sinners and replaced the true God with some long haired hippy who loves everyone without exception, including child raping murderers. You can have that god all to yourself.

Am I wrong in believing that God hates sin not the sinner....I too was a sinner, he loved me enough to bring me into his Kingdom.

We are also called to Love one another from the heart, therefore it is God Loving the un- believer / sinner from within us...just my thoughts.

The idea that God hates the sin but not the sinner is not supported by any scripture. The scriptures do confirm that God hates the sinner as well as the sin. If God loved sinners, it would mean that God is evil, just like a corrupt judge sets murders free so they can continue murdering more innocent people.

The truth is God cannot love anyone outside of Christ, He only loves Christ and those of us in Christ share the benefit by default. There's nothing good in any person for God to love, that's why we must die to self. We must decrease and He must increase in us, until there's nothing left of the old man.

Born again Christians, don't become sinless in this life, so we are a work in progress and unworthy to come into the presence of God because of the remaining sin. But we will receive our glorified sinless immortal, body in the life to come. Everything that pertains to our old nature will be burned up and we will be refined like pure gold, the old things and our unsaved relatives will be forgotten and never bought to mind again.

We will receive a new Christlike mind, free from corruption then we will be acceptable in Gods sight an we will be loved by Him. In this present age, Gods Holy Spirit is doing the work of transformation and sanctification. This work is not completed in this life, but He who started a good work will finish it at the appointed time.

 

[Ritajanice]

The idea that God hates the sin but not the sinner is not supported by any scripture. The scriptures do confirm that God hates the sinner as well as the sin. If God loved sinners, it would mean that God is evil, just like a corrupt judge sets murders free so they can continue murdering more innocent people.

The truth is God cannot love anyone outside of Christ, He only loves Christ and those of us in Christ share the benefit by default. There's nothing good in any person for God to love, that's why we must die to self. We must decrease and He must increase in us, until there's nothing left of the old man.

Ah but he does love those outside of Christ..he does it through us, the Born Again, we Love In His strength...through his heart through his power that is within our spirit..he opens our heart to love others, his love radiates out of my heart, so that I can show the world the love of Christ..

The Bible tells us that “God is love” (1 John 4:8). As Christians, we believe that God loves all of his human creations, despite their sin, and that he desires for everyone to repent and be saved (2 Peter 3:9).

Born again Christians, don't become sinless in this life, so we are a work in progress and unworthy to come into the presence of God because of the remaining sin. But we will receive our glorified sinless immortal, body in the life to come. Everything that pertains to our old nature will be burned up and we will be refined like pure gold, the old things and our unsaved relatives will be forgotten and never bought to mind again.

Gods word says that a Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of Gods seed.

A Born Again lives in the old body of sin...the new man is within them.we hate sin and can no longer continue in it..

1 John 3:9​

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9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We will receive a new Christlike mind, free from corruption then we will be acceptable in Gods sight an we will be loved by Him. In this present age, Gods Holy Spirit is doing the work of transformation and sanctification. This work is not completed in this life, but He who started a good work will finish it at the appointed time.

We have received his Spirit into our hearts ,when we become Born Again,and yes as we grow and mature our mind will be just like Christ’s mind, as our minds are being renewed daily.

Born of the Spirit, our spirit is Born Of God’s seed, that seed is a Living seed that we are Born Of...it’s also inevitable ,that we will be conformed into Jesus image.

With respect, we are all voicing only our opinions on what we believe is Gods truth..

Plus we post scripture, that many of us, interpret very differently.

Ps..the Father loves us all day every day...we are Born Of God’s seed. A Living seed of love..the Holy Spirit, that’s who penetrated our heart and has taken up residence in our spirit...he loves us via our spirit...Spirit gives birth to spirit = the supernatural rebirth.the more we open our heart, the closer we get to God.

We know the Love Of God from within our heart/spirit...it’s heartfelt.

Mark 12:30-31"'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul...'" “'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. ' The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

I couldn’t do any of the above, without knowing the Love Of God in my heart/ spirit.

Which I know, as remember,God Loved us first, in our heart/ spirit..plus as we grow/ mature...our love for God becomes incredibly deep....why, because he gave us a new heart/ spirit within, to only follow him and no other.we grow in the knowledge of his Love...for me it’s incomprehensible to understand, it blows my mind, to even try to imagine how much he loves us.

No one can love us as God loves us.

Just my opinion, thoughts, belief.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Maybe so, but, God can turn that around , if it’s his will....only God can bring them out of their darkness.

Have you ever read testimonies of men/ woman who have done terrible acts.

They have come to the Lord by his will...is anyone beyond redemption ?
I would say.. only God knows the answer to that.
Only God can draw a sinner to Jesus, bring them to repentance / Godly sorrow..

.God Bless as you continue your journey with the Lord.Brother.

God sure can save any sinner, there can be no doubt about that. So we can rest assured that every single person who God purposed to save before He created the world, shall be saved and nobody can snatch them out of the Fathers hand.

The names of those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit, were not written in Gods Book, so there is o salvation for them. They are sealed for hell. We all inherited our sin nature from Adam, and if God leaves us in our sin, we will never find repentance or faith within ourselves. So God must do the work of salvation, from start to finish.

Those (very bad people), who have been forgiven much, are more grateful than those who have been forgiven little. But you're absolutely right, God does save some who the world considers to be beyond redemption. He doesn't only save those who try to be good, He also saves some who we would consider to be evil.

 

[Phoneman777]

Your denomination is no different than the other 45,000 because all denominations have departed from the original gospel message. The reason denominations came into existence is because they rejected the gospel as it was given by Christ and they removed all the hard doctrines and replaced them with seeker friendly doctrines.

Just as your denomination has rejected Gods hatred of sinners and replaced the true God with some long haired hippy who loves everyone without exception, including child raping murderers. You can have that god all to yourself.

Just keep on refusing to answer my unanswerable argument, friend - you have no idea how much that serves to convince me and others of how wrong Calvinism is. Like you, there are many here who, when shown the error of their way, are too proud to admit such. God hates pride.

 

[Taken]

God's Hatred

Hatred is a confusing Topic…
And always WILL BE confusing to those who KNOW NOT what Hatred MEANS.

Hatred MEANS….a Strong Dislike.
Hatred IS NOT the Opposite of Love.
Love Does NOT Mean LIKE.

Love IS grounded IN Gods TRUTH to DO what is Right, regardless of the Consequences.

Men WILL…lie, cheat, steal, embezzle (from another, for another, for themselves) under the GUIZEof Truth…(while HIDING the Truth) and under the GUIZE of Love…
(Which is tit for tat favor manipulation).
…ie…
Love me back…I lied FOR you.
Love me back…I cheated FOR you.
Love me back…I stole FOR you.
Love me back…I embezzled FOR you.

God IS LOVE…All of creation and provisions thereof Belong to Him. He Freely Offers, He Freely Gives Blessings, He Gives Gifts with Conditions, He Freely withdrawals His Blessings / halts His Blessing….
ACCORDING TO His Judgement of Deserved (by His Standard and Principles) and Undeserved (by His Standard and Principles).

Gods JUST JUDGEMENTS routinely, daily, upon Men IN and OF this World…?
Absolutely.

A future DATE for FINAL JUST Judgement AND JUST SENTENCING regarding Men who have EVER Lived IN and OF this World….?
Absolutely.

The LESSON IS: Pay attention to the routine Judgements…Correct your errors IF you be experiencing Negative Judgements…

BECAUSE: The “SENTENCING” IS the FINALITY….IT WILL “ignore” Corrected / Forgiven Errors…
AND WILL be “pronounced” According to FORGIVEN rights and UNFORGIVEN errors, wrongs, regardless of the “motives”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ah but he does love those outside of Christ..he does it through us, the Born Again, we Love In His strength...through his heart through his power that is within our spirit..he opens our heart to love others, his love radiates out of my heart, so that I can show the world the love of Christ..

The Bible tells us that “God is love” (1 John 4:8). As Christians, we believe that God loves all of his human creations, despite their sin, and that he desires for everyone to repent and be saved (2 Peter 3:9).

Gods word says that a Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of Gods seed.

A Born Again lives in the old body of sin...the new man is within them.we hate sin and can no longer continue in it..

1 John 3:9​

​

King James Version​

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9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We have received his Spirit into our hearts ,when we become Born Again,and yes as we grow and mature our mind will be just like Christ’s mind, as our minds are being renewed daily.

Born of the Spirit, our spirit is Born Of God’s seed, that seed is a Living seed that we are Born Of...it’s also inevitable ,that we will be conformed into Jesus image.

With respect, we are all voicing only our opinions on what we believe is Gods truth..

Plus we post scripture, that many of us, interpret very differently.

Ps..the Father loves us all day every day...we are Born Of God’s seed. A Living seed of love..the Holy Spirit, that’s who penetrated our heart and has taken up residence in our spirit...he loves us via our spirit...Spirit gives birth to spirit = the supernatural rebirth.the more we open our heart, the closer we get to God.

We know the Love Of God from within our heart/spirit...it’s heartfelt.

Mark 12:30-31"'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul...'" “'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. ' The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

I couldn’t do any of the above, without knowing the Love Of God in my heart/ spirit.

Which I know, as remember,God Loved us first, in our heart/ spirit..plus as we grow/ mature...our love for God becomes incredibly deep....why, because he gave us a new heart/ spirit within, to only follow him and no other.we grow in the knowledge of his Love...for me it’s incomprehensible to understand, it blows my mind, to even try to imagine how much he loves us.

No one can love us as God loves us.

Just my opinion, thoughts, belief.

I'm sorry but it's not true that God is love only. God has many attributes, He is not only love but He is also hate. Here are a few verses to confirm that "God is Hate".

I'm sure your aware that God hates people before they are even born, as in Romans 9:13 Yes I know most Christians hate this truth but God said it so you must reject Gods Word if you want to run with this heretical idea that God only has one attribute, and He can't do anything but love child raping murderers.

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)

Please don't change what Gods Word says and make it say something entirely different. 2 Peter 3:9 doesn't say that God that God desires for everyone to repent, and neither does it say anywhere in the bible that God loves His human creations, despite their sin. Please refrain from making stuff up and try to stick to what Gods Word actually says.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish.
This verse was spoken to born again Christians, it wasn't speaking abut unbelievers.

Gods Word tells born again Christians that our sins are not counted against us. It never says born again Christians don't sin because that would be a lie as every single born again Christians sins every single day for our entire lives.

Your heart is in the right place, but we are not at liberty to presume upon the Lord. It is very tempting to add our view to what God has said, but we should strive to avoid doing that because it stunts our Christian growth.

Gods Word is sufficient for us, we don't need to make it say any more than it does. The bible interprets itself, and there are no contradictions in the bible. If a particular doctrine seems to be obscure, we can refer to all the other passages of scripture which deal with that same doctrine.

It's dangerous to pluck out verses in isolation and apply them to support out particular view. The scriptures force us to conform ourselves to what they teach and not the other way around where some approach scriptures with the view of making them support their presuppositions.

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm sorry but it's not true that God is love only. God has many attributes, He is not only love but He is also hate. Here are a few verses to confirm that "God is Hate

Hello @Christian Soldier .

Did I say that God was only a God of Love?

Romans 5:8

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8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Just keep on refusing to answer my unanswerable argument, friend - you have no idea how much that serves to convince me and others of how wrong Calvinism is. Like you, there are many here who, when shown the error of their way, are too proud to admit such. God hates pride.

I will jump ship and join you Arminians immediately, if you show me one single false doctrine in Calvinism.