Whether A Person’s Soul Goes to Heaven or Hell is for God to judge and not others humans to judge

[AcadianaRanger]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others. I believe it is God’s and not other humans that should determine whether a person is “saved or not saved” or if they are “right or not right with God.”. The answer God gives is guaranteed accurate for God is perfect and flawless. Human beings are not perfect and are not flawless.

We should love one another as God loves us. It is not what a person looks like on the outside, but is who the individual person is on the inside that really matters

 

[Jack]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others. I believe it is God’s and not other humans that should determine whether a person is “saved or not saved” or if they are “right or not right with God.”. The answer God gives is guaranteed accurate for God is perfect and flawless. Human beings are not perfect and are not flawless.

We should love one another as God loves us. It is not what a person looks like on the outside, but is who the individual person is on the inside that really matters

Someone actually asked you if they're going to Hell?

 

[AcadianaRanger]

Someone actually asked you if they're going to Hell?

I had people who said my religion is false before and that I am going to hell. I’m Roman Catholic. As for me, I believe that only God knows the hearts and souls of others. Roman Catholic is the way I was raised and the religion I am happy with. Roman Catholics are also Christians.

 

[ChristinaL]

As for me, if anyone asks if they are going to heaven or hell or if they are “right with God,” my answer is for them to pray to God and get the answer from God himself for NO human being (including myself) has the qualifications and the credentials to judge the souls of others. I believe it is God’s and not other humans that should determine whether a person is “saved or not saved” or if they are “right or not right with God.”. The answer God gives is guaranteed accurate for God is perfect and flawless. Human beings are not perfect and are not flawless.

We should love one another as God loves us. It is not what a person looks like on the outside, but is who the individual person is on the inside that really matters

Yes we should love one another but what you say about not judging to determine if a person is saved or not is totally wrong. If I am speaking to a non Christian, or a Roman Catholic or some false Christian cultist like JWs, Mormons or SDA, I am not going to take the limp wristed pansy path and just say Love them and let the Lord judge them. If I am a mature enough Christian and know enough about them to tell them where their errors lie, I bloody well will tell them for their own good that they are headed down to hell and I will preach the gospel to them while showing them the errors of their false religion

 

[AcadianaRanger]

Yes we should love one another but what you say about not judging to determine if a person is saved or not is totally wrong. If I am speaking to a non Christian, or a Roman Catholic or some false Christian cultist like JWs, Mormons or SDA, I am not going to take the limp wristed pansy path and just say Love them and let the Lord judge them. If I am a mature enough Christian and know enough about them to tell them where their errors lie, I bloody well will tell them for their own good that they are headed down to hell and I will preach the gospel to them while showing them the errors of their false religion

To be honest, Catholics are Christians too. If you cannot just agree to disagree and love and accept a person as they are, then that means you really hate them. I can see that you hate those who are Roman Catholic also, so I am just going to leave it to that. Once a person has been baptized in the Catholic Church, made their First Communion, and confirmed (received the Sacrament of Confirmation) in the Catholic Church, they remain Catholic for life for these Sacraments are indelible and irreversible and are permanently imprinted to the soul forever. So doing the above if you believe that there is no way a person who is Roman Catholic can ever be “saved,” then you are just wasting your time. You don’t have to agree with them, but you should respect their rights and their beliefs as well. live and let live. “Loving” someone only if they “leave” their religion and convert to your religion means you truly hate them and that you never loved them to begin with.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes we should love one another but what you say about not judging to determine if a person is saved or not is totally wrong. If I am speaking to a non Christian, or a Roman Catholic or some false Christian cultist like JWs, Mormons or SDA, I am not going to take the limp wristed pansy path and just say Love them and let the Lord judge them. If I am a mature enough Christian and know enough about them to tell them where their errors lie, I bloody well will tell them for their own good that they are headed down to hell and I will preach the gospel to them while showing them the errors of their false religion

Wrong.

You have NO right to judge a person’s soul. We are called to rightly-judge (John 7:24) a person’s deeds – but NOT their souls (Matt. 7:1-2). It's not up to YOU to decide who is saved and who will be condemned. That is for GOD alone to know (1 Sam. 16:7, Ps. 42:21).

As for Catholics – not only are we Christian – we were the very FIRST Christians.
We see this from FIRST century sources like Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch and lifelong student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to his martyrdom in Rome:

Ignatius of Antioch
“Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

 

[ChristinaL]

To be honest, Catholics are Christians too. If you cannot just agree to disagree and love and accept a person as they are, then that means you really hate them. I can see that you hate those who are Roman Catholic also, so I am just going to leave it to that. Once a person has been baptized in the Catholic Church, made their First Communion, and confirmed (received the Sacrament of Confirmation) in the Catholic Church, they remain Catholic for life for these Sacraments are indelible and irreversible and are permanently imprinted to the soul forever. So doing the above if you believe that there is no way a person who is Roman Catholic can ever be “saved,” then you are just wasting your time. You don’t have to agree with them, but you should respect their rights and their beliefs as well. live and let live. “Loving” someone only if they “leave” their religion and convert to your religion means you truly hate them and that you never loved them to begin with.

Catholic are not Christian for they preach a false Mary worshipping works based gospel. This weak--minded cowardly attitude of yours only makes their path to hell more comfortable. And if you truly loved a lost person, you will drop this satanic universalist bs attitude of yours and TELL THEM THE WHOLE TRUTH

 

[lforrest]

To be honest, Catholics are Christians too. If you cannot just agree to disagree and love and accept a person as they are, then that means you really hate them. I can see that you hate those who are Roman Catholic also, so I am just going to leave it to that. Once a person has been baptized in the Catholic Church, made their First Communion, and confirmed (received the Sacrament of Confirmation) in the Catholic Church, they remain Catholic for life for these Sacraments are indelible and irreversible and are permanently imprinted to the soul forever. So doing the above if you believe that there is no way a person who is Roman Catholic can ever be “saved,” then you are just wasting your time. You don’t have to agree with them, but you should respect their rights and their beliefs as well. live and let live. “Loving” someone only if they “leave” their religion and convert to your religion means you truly hate them and that you never loved them to begin with.

You are not the authority on who loves and who hates. Christianity is supposed to be an alternative to the world. We can not accept people's sinful ways and be an alternative. And for the lost their sin is conflated with their identity. To confront them is to love them. For people to truly follow Christ they must repent of their sins.

How does the proverb go, "Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses."

 

[ChristinaL]

You are not the authority on who loves and who hates. Christianity is supposed to be an alternative to the world. We can not accept people's sinful ways and be an alternative. And for the lost their sin is conflated with their identity. To confront them is to love them. For people to truly follow Christ they must repent of their sins.

How does the proverb go, "Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses."

Amen bro (or sis?)

 

[ChristinaL]

Wrong.

You have NO right to judge a person’s soul. We are called to rightly-judge (John 7:24) a person’s deeds – but NOT their souls (Matt. 7:1-2). It's not up to YOU to decide who is saved and who will be condemned. That is for GOD alone to know (1 Sam. 16:7, Ps. 42:21).

As for Catholics – not only are we Christian – we were the very FIRST Christians.
We see this from FIRST century sources like Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch and lifelong student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to his martyrdom in Rome:

Ignatius of Antioch
“Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Sorry you are wrong on all counts. Ignatius btw was not a first century source nor did he follow the pagan teachings of Rome. You Catholics love to forget that "Catholic" in its truest sense merely means "Universal" and the Universal church of the 1st-2nd C holds no relation to The Catholic church that is Mystery Babylon today. Repent or you too will perish

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry you are wrong on all counts. Ignatius btw was not a first century source nor did he follow the pagan teachings of Rome.

Wanna bet??

Ignatius of Antioch was a First century Bishop who Was a lifelong student of the Apostle John. He was martyred in Rome in the early part the 2nd century. He is considered one of the most important Apostolic Fathers in Church history. YOU can deny this all you want – but it is a matter of history:

Ignatius of Antioch

Ignatius of Antioch - Wikipedia

You Catholics love to forget that "Catholic" in its truest sense merely means "Universal" and the Universal church of the 1st-2nd C holds no relation to The Catholic church that is Mystery Babylon today. Repent or you too will perish

The Church was being called “The Catholic Church” by the end of the first century as a TITLE not as a mere description. The name comes from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”. We see this usage in Acts 9:31.

As for your “Mystery Babylon” nonsense - -this just illustrates your astounding ignorance.

The fact is - that this kind of stupidity finds its origins largely in the 19th century book, The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, who was a virulent anti-Catholic.

He had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.
HOWEVER, while doing research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply made up most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths and lies.
Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Unfortunately for YOU – your mind has been polluted by Hislop’s lies. Anti-Catholics like Jack Chick took the message and ran with it in the 20th century, building an entire comic book publishing empire based on this manure.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are not the authority on who loves and who hates. Christianity is supposed to be an alternative to the world. We can not accept people's sinful ways and be an alternative. And for the lost their sin is conflated with their identity. To confront them is to love them. For people to truly follow Christ they must repent of their sins.

How does the proverb go, "Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses."

We cannot accept sinful WAYS. This does NOT give us any right to judge their souls.

The Bible clearly differentiates between rightly-judging a person’s deeds (ways - John 7:24) – and judging their souls (hearts - Matt. 7:1-2).

 

[ChristinaL]

Wanna bet??

Ignatius of Antioch was a First century Bishop who Was a lifelong student of the Apostle John. He was martyred in Rome in the early part the 2nd century. He is considered one of the most important Apostolic Fathers in Church history. YOU can deny this all you want – but it is a matter of history:

Ignatius of Antioch

Ignatius of Antioch - Wikipedia

The Church was being called “The Catholic Church” by the end of the first century as a TITLE not as a mere description. The name comes from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”. We see this usage in Acts 9:31.

As for your “Mystery Babylon” nonsense - -this just illustrates your astounding ignorance.

The fact is - that this kind of stupidity finds its origins largely in the 19th century book, The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, who was a virulent anti-Catholic.

He had a huge fan in Ralph Woodrow, a 20th century minister who loved Hislop’s book so much that he also wrote a book based on Hislop’s work called, Babylon Mystery Religion.
HOWEVER, while doing research for a follow-up book, Woodrow discovered to his horror that Hislop simply made up most of the “facts” in his book. He wrote The Babylon Connection? to dispel the myths and lies.
Woodrow now runs a website with his wife apologizing for having given false information based on Hislop’s book.

Unfortunately for YOU – your mind has been polluted by Hislop’s lies. Anti-Catholics like Jack Chick took the message and ran with it in the 20th century, building an entire comic book publishing empire based on this manure.

I was speaking primarily of Ignatius's writings not his life as a student. I know full well he was a student of John the apostle. BTW I just l;ooked up WIKI myself and some sources put his death around 135-140.

You description of "Catholic" is just straw man nonsense. Splitting hairs. It is as it is. The universal church of the 1st and 2nd centuries was nothing like the whore the church of rome has long become.

When you believe in a church/mother-child goddess cult that is pretty much entirely based on pagan influenced teaching, the only one showing ignorance is you. Hyslop wasnt perfect but he was no liar. Actually try reading the book- (I have many times although I usually ignore the last couple of chapters on Revelation because like most 19th century theologians Revelation is where he falls into some error) instead of judging what you dont know. There is only one reason why that book has held up for so long and is even still available today in spite of its being so out of date. NO ONE has ever successfully refuted it. Not even Woodrow. I dont really know much about him but many question his conclusions.

Besides you also dont have to be some genius theologian to simply look up the Catholic church's practices on your own and see for yourself their pagan origins. Hyslop didnt lie. You are a blind deluded fool and you are going to learn the truth the hard way under the reign of antichrist while the true Bride is safe in heaven

 

[ChristinaL]

We cannot accept sinful WAYS. This does NOT give us any right to judge their souls.

The Bible clearly differentiates between rightly-judging a person’s deeds (ways - John 7:24) – and judging their souls (hearts - Matt. 7:1-2).

If you know a person's ways you also know their hearts

 

[Jack]

Wrong.

You have NO right to judge a person’s soul. We are called to rightly-judge (John 7:24) a person’s deeds – but NOT their souls (Matt. 7:1-2). It's not up to YOU to decide who is saved and who will be condemned. That is for GOD alone to know (1 Sam. 16:7, Ps. 42:21).

As for Catholics – not only are we Christian – we were the very FIRST Christians.
We see this from FIRST century sources like Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch and lifelong student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to his martyrdom in Rome:

Ignatius of Antioch
“Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

So, if a person worships Satan we can't judge him?

 

[lforrest]

So, if a person worships Satan we can't judge him?

It is possible to be forgiven, even for worshipers of Satan. Seen it happen twice.

 

[Jack]

It is possible to be forgiven, even for worshipers of Satan. Seen it happen twice.

Certainly!

 

[NotTheRock]

If you know a person's ways you also know their hearts

Catholic faithful don't view God's words in the Bible as being authoritative as they believe that their church leaders have the blessing of Jesus to create and change doctrines. Therefore, we Christians don't have a common source to rely on when trying to sort out doctrines with Catholics. A faithful Christian discussing doctrine with a faithful Catholic is sort of like a Christian discussing doctrine with a Hindu or Buddhist.

 

[Jack]

Catholic faithful don't view God's words in the Bible as being authoritative as they believe that their church leaders have the blessing of Jesus to create and change doctrines. Therefore, we Christians don't have a common source to rely on when trying to sort out doctrines with Catholics. A faithful Christian discussing doctrine with a faithful Catholic is sort of like a Christian discussing doctrine with a Hindu or Buddhist.

Or JW?

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you know a person's ways you also know their hearts

WRONG.

As a Christian, you are only allowed to rightly-judge a person’s fruit – NOT their hearts.
YOU don’t get too condemn anybody’s soul (Matt. 7:1-2).