Daniel Chapter 8 - the 2300 evenings and mornings prophecy

[Earburner]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. As I mentioned about a million times, the 4 verses in Chapter 9 speak of the full restoration after Babylon and the complete destruction after the cross.....

I would ask you to look in the verses in both chapters 7 and 8 that describe the characteristics / attributes / actions, etc.. (quite clear) that the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 will do against God, His people, His church, His saints, etc. This is the one that is clearly coming out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome and is also the same one that is referred to as "exceedingly great" in chapter 8.

I have read your post #302, but I don't see anything in Daniel that reveals that the nation of Israel shall be fully restored.

The picture of restoration is much greater than Israel, and it is NOW a glorious opportunity for everyone, for there is now "no difference between Jew or Gentile", in this present Age of God's Grace.

Jesus who is Eternal, before the world was, came here in mortal flesh, and left this world in Immortality, having Eternal Life. He Himself IS the First resurrection, and we all, who are "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, are made to be "partakers of the divine nature".

Now, according to John 2:18-22, by the counsel of Paul in 1 Cor. 2:13, about "comparing spiritual things with spiritual", you might perceive and understand what temple it actually was, that was truly restored back to God by Jesus' sacrifice. By God's Grace, through faith in Jesus, all of such are the inheritors of His Glorious Son's likeness, a NEW creature [creation].

 

[Earburner]

Wrong. He is speaking of one specific person there, in Greek and any language it's translated into.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

In the context of the book of 1 John, you should know that the words in 1 John 2:18, are to be read as such, in the following:
".....and as ye have heard that [spirit of-1 John 4:3] antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

 

[CTK]

I have read your post #302, but I don't see anything in Daniel that reveals that the nation of Israel shall be fully restored.

The picture of restoration is much greater than Israel, and it is NOW a glorious opportunity for everyone, for there is now "no difference between Jew or Gentile", in this present Age of God's Grace.

Jesus who is Eternal, before the world was, came here in mortal flesh, and left this world in Immortality, having Eternal Life. He Himself IS the First resurrection, and we all, who are "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, are made to be "partakers of the divine nature".

Now, according to John 2:18-22, by the counsel of Paul in 1 Cor. 2:13, about "comparing spiritual things with spiritual", you might perceive and understand what temple it actually was, that was truly restored back to God by Jesus' sacrifice. By God's Grace, through faith in Jesus, all of such are the inheritors of His Glorious Son's likeness, a NEW creature [creation].

But you have not answered any of my questions… please try!

 

[ewq1938]

In the context of the book of 1 John, you should know that the words in 1 John 2:18, are to be read as such, in the following:
".....and as ye have heard that [spirit of-1 John 4:3] antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

You are wrongly inserting things into the verse to change it's meaning. Leave the verse alone, without alteration, and it speaks of a singular AC. He compares a singular AC coming in the future to the many AC's of the present. These are not spirits but people. The spirit of AC is addressed in his other writings.

 

[Bladerunner]

Of course there is:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

He says "now" there were many antichrists but does specifically speak of one certain antichrist (singular) that was yet to come (future arrival) which means John believed there was a future Antichrist. This is known as "the Antichrist" which is a specific Antichrist among all those who are antichrists.


Go ahead and ignore that last sentence again.

The "man of sin, the son of perdition" that is specific.. the final anti-christ, the beast and the false prophet. He has many names.....but will be sent by Jesus as seen in Rev chapter 6:1-2.Yes, He is on a white Horse performing many miracles. He copies Jesus as he had down for thousands of years.

 

[ewq1938]

The "man of sin, the son of perdition" that is specific.. the final anti-christ, the beast and the false prophet. He has many names.....

Yes he does. "that wicked" is another one Paul uses.

 

[Earburner]

You are wrongly inserting things into the verse to change it's meaning. Leave the verse alone, without alteration, and it speaks of a singular AC. He compares a singular AC coming in the future to the many AC's of the present. These are not spirits but people. The spirit of AC is addressed in his other writings.

NO!! ALL need to look at this, to thoroughly digest it, and STOP running at the mouth with "religious" nonsense.

So why did John say the similar words earlier in his warning in 1 John 2:18, but neglected to say "spirit of", as he did do in 1 John 4:3??
I percieve and believe that the Holy Spirit in Paul was being more specific in revealing that the spirit of antichrist IS SINGULAR, but infects MANY [PLURAL].
1 John 2
[18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that [s - - - - -] [o -] antichrist [singular] shall come, even now are there many [plural] antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 4
[3] And every spirit [plural] that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is IT [singular] in the world [MANY].

 Edit: "The lawless one" is satan, who is himself "that spirit of antichrist" of which infects MANY.
Satan himself, is singular, but the many that he infects, is plural.

 

[ChristinaL]

I have read your post #302, but I don't see anything in Daniel that reveals that the nation of Israel shall be fully restored.

The picture of restoration is much greater than Israel, and it is NOW a glorious opportunity for everyone, for there is now "no difference between Jew or Gentile", in this present Age of God's Grace.

Jesus who is Eternal, before the world was, came here in mortal flesh, and left this world in Immortality, having Eternal Life. He Himself IS the First resurrection, and we all, who are "born again" of God's Holy Spirit, are made to be "partakers of the divine nature".

Now, according to John 2:18-22, by the counsel of Paul in 1 Cor. 2:13, about "comparing spiritual things with spiritual", you might perceive and understand what temple it actually was, that was truly restored back to God by Jesus' sacrifice. By God's Grace, through faith in Jesus, all of such are the inheritors of His Glorious Son's likeness, a NEW creature [creation].

When scripture says there is no Jew or Gentile etc etc that merely means God doesnt give out rewards based on ethnicity, gender or station in life. And scripture does speak of Israel being restored as a nation. Amos 9:14-15 Ezek 11:14-20 Jer 30 and elsewhere

 

[Earburner]

When scripture says there is no Jew or Gentile etc etc that merely means God doesnt give out rewards based on ethnicity, gender or station in life. And scripture does speak of Israel being restored as a nation. Amos 9:14-15 Ezek 11:14-20 Jer 30 and elsewhere

You have not understood that the OC and the NC are "contracts". When Jesus' sacrifice ushered in the NC. (contract) of God's Age of Grace, the OC. (contract) of God's Age of Indignation came to an abrupt END, and so did all the "promises" that were associated with that OLD contract.

Now that WE ALL are under the New contract, New promises have been installed.
Maybe you can think of a few!

 

[ChristinaL]

You have not understood that the OC and the NC are "contracts". When Jesus' sacrifice ushered in the NC. (contract) of God's Age of Grace, the OC. (contract) of God's Age of Indignation came to an abrupt END, and so did all the "promises" that were associated with that OLD contract.

Now that WE ALL are under the New contract, New promises have been installed.
Maybe you can think of a few!

Umm yeah I understand the old covenant and new very well. It is you that doesnt understand for God is no liar and you make Him out to be one. The promises of God are without repentance. The New covenant does not eliminate the old promises and Israel will always be God's chosen. Scripture is very clear that God would restore Israel.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

It means as I have stated it. God does not judge by ethnicity, gender or station when it comes to giving out the rewards. It does not have anything to do with God's PROMISE to Israel and God's PROMISE to restore her

 

[Earburner]

Umm yeah I understand the old covenant and new very well. It is you that doesnt understand for God is no liar and you make Him out to be one. The promises of God are without repentance. The New covenant does not eliminate the old promises and Israel will always be God's chosen. Scripture is very clear that God would restore Israel.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

It means as I have stated it. God does not judge by ethnicity, gender or station when it comes to giving out the rewards. It does not have anything to do with God's PROMISE to Israel and God's PROMISE to restore her

In all of NT scripture, there are only two prophetic "mother's" being spoken of, and both of them have to do with the name of Jerusalem.

Have you fully studied and digested all of Gal. ch. 4? When you do, you will suddenly realize that one "mother" is fallen and is in bondage with her children, while the other "mother" is free, being above, and is the mother of us all, who are of faith in Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

NO!!

Yes! You change the verse with your insertion to erase the singular AC. That is what false doctrine does, erase the AC. Who do you think started this erasure of the AC doctrine? The main enemy of the followers of Christ did it so some would have no way to identify the AC when he does appear.

 

[Earburner]

But you have not answered any of my questions… please try!

Maybe I looked at the wrong post.
However, all along I have been answering your post. Did I miss a couple? Probably.
This site is getting busy.

I have been answering the topic of this thread, unfortunately on that, we do not agree. I see A4E as the little horn of the 2300 literal days. You see it otherwise of it to be the 2300 years. In that frame of mind, of course you will want to see a future little horn.

 

[CTK]

Maybe I looked at the wrong post.
However, all along I have been answering your post. Did I miss a couple? Probably.
This site is getting busy.

I have been answering the topic of this thread, unfortunately on that, we do not agree. I see A4E as the little horn of the 2300 literal days. You see it otherwise of it to be the 2300 years. In that frame of mind, of course you will want to see a future little horn.

No, you haven't. I asked you to connect the many characteristics, attributes and actions that are provided in Chapters 7 and 8 that specifically speak to the identification, timing and activities he will do against God, His saints, His people, His church, His gospel.

There can only be one individual that meets all of these comments...

 

[Earburner]

Yes! You change the verse with your insertion to erase the singular AC. That is what false doctrine does, erase the AC. Who do you think started this erasure of the AC doctrine? The main enemy of the followers of Christ did it so some would have no way to identify the AC when he does appear.

No! According to the KJV, there are no words that say "THE" Antichrist.

Can I read it in the Greek to be "the lawless one"? YES, Indeed I can, but now we are talking about that fallen "ministering spirit", who is "that spirit of antichrist" who infects MANY men with the idea that Christ has not come in the flesh.
The conclusion is: there are MANY antichrists, who have been infected by "the [spirit of] the lawless ONE".
So, if we are going to read anything in the singular, it's going to be satan himself, who is THE lawless ONE, that infects many (plural).

If you want to be a literist with the word of God, and accuse me of false doctrine, I suggest that you correct yourself first.
There is no THE Antichrist to come, because the Lawless one is himself "the lawless ONE, who manifests his thoughts in the minds of MANY, who ARE the unsaved, aka "the man of sin", "the son of perdition", who ARE "the natural man",.... and OF THOSE, there are MANY.

 

[Earburner]

No, you haven't. I asked you to connect the many characteristics, attributes and actions that are provided in Chapters 7 and 8 that specifically speak to the identification, timing and activities he will do against God, His saints, His people, His church, His gospel.

There can only be one individual that meets all of these comments...

Well of course, it is satan, "the lawless ONE", the very spirit of antichrist, who infects many..

 

[CTK]

Well of course, it is satan, "the lawless ONE", the very spirit of antichrist, who infects many..

That is your respoonse? You have repeatedly insisted the little horn is AE. So I ask you at least a third time to identity how all the verses in Chapters 7 and 8 could possibly point to AE.... i know the little horn is indeed the papacy... which you are agressively rejected... so, please give it your best shot.....

 

[Douggg]

The "man of sin, the son of perdition" that is specific.. the final anti-christ, the beast and the false prophet. He has many names.....but will be sent by Jesus as seen in Rev chapter 6:1-2.Yes, He is on a white Horse performing many miracles. He copies Jesus as he had down for thousands of years.

Not many "names". Names are like "Bob", "Tom", "Jerry".

Instead, I would say many "labels". The labels describe the stages he goes through on the way to his demise.

stage 1 - as the little horn person
stage 2 - as the prince that shall come
stage 3 - as the Antichrist
stage 4 - as the revealed man of sin
stage 5 - as the beast king

 

[Douggg]

That is your respoonse? You have repeatedly insisted the little horn is AE. So I ask you at least a third time to identity how all the verses in Chapters 7 and 8 could possibly point to AE.... i know the little horn is indeed the papacy... which you are agressively rejected... so, please give it your best shot.....

There was a bible teacher named A.W. Pink who explained why the Papacy, the Pope, cannot be the Antichrist. The person must be a Jew, who will become King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

 

[CTK]

There was a bible teacher name A.W. Pink who explained why the Papacy, the Pope, cannot be the Antichrist. The person must be a Jew, who will become King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

Are you Catholic? Sorry, I would like to hear from your own voice why AE matches up to the many verses In Chapter 7 and 8 that specfically identify only one actor....