Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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If Eve had double checked with her Husband before eating the fruit, who knows where we'd be right now! She cheated on Adam sort of by not checking with him.
They both were naive and that was the way it had to be for God to bring all things into the Lord Jesus Christ. Many forget that Christ was God's goal, not a garden with two sinnless people in it.

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@MA2444 you are right that Eve was in the transgression, and as such, wears a symbol of humility on her head to cover the mans glory (her head).

Together, they can present themselves as one before the Lord.

No flesh shall glory in my presence!

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Most egalitarian believers have cast off these important symbols (head coverings) and in doing so elevate themselves above the man. Paul understood the Genesis principles in 1 Corinthians 11 and expounded their virtues. Most beautiful lessons are contained there, but the egalitarian movement which has spread through the Christian world tramples all over them with their reaching upwards to take what is forbidden once more.

There now are many chapters of Pauls guidance, which have black markers through them....1 Corinthians 11 is one such chapter.

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Let's not forget that it's the WOMEN who give birth to the welders and that auto mechanics and the machinsts...AND that SOME of those women go on to become welders and mechanics and machinists. Why is a woman's contribution to society written out of history, JUST because she's a woman?

Because it's a given that the Wife is there? They're not written out, they are the women! WHo dont have a Wife? More and more dont I hear lol. Any girl can get a guy under the right circumstances, but the question is can she keep the guy? Can she stay at home and hold down the fort while he is off working or whatever? And be 100% dependable if called upon by him?

I had that that for a long time in my marriage. She never failed as a wife or a mother. I have to give her that. She was an excellant Wife and never failed me as well as an awesome mother who hovered over the kids, lol! She drove them to school (or me) every day of school that they ever attended, even high school, lol. And she was johnny on the spot if I called her. We worked together a lot when I went in business and got licensed and stuff. She slid right into that secretary position with 100% efficiency and she was good with numbers. Used to deliver material to our jobsite to help us out with time. That's as cool as it gets! She was so good on the phone that two times from different companies in town called her and asked her to hire on with them because she was so so sweet on the phone and went to the point. She helped me build that business up from nothing and I have no doubt that we did better because she was there. Everything she touched turned to gold.

But I was spoiling her and it made her turm materialistic. Then when the economy was slowing up and she was just about to turn 40...jumped ship. The grass is greener in florida are you coming? No, the red flags were there so I didnt mover to florida on my dime just to have her leave me down there. I got a business to run, bye. When they stop talking it's over.

She can be yelling her lungs hoarse at her man and this shows him that she loves him just as deeply as she was angry. A bitchy wife is nothing, it means nothing. What is a tiger without claws. I sort of liked that part, lol.
But she stopped talking to me and I knew right away that was the beginning of the end. Who cares what she says? Watch what she does.

After she had moved to fla I got the call I want a divorce but I was already expecting that and at least wanted to make it cost her some money by dodging the process server. They only try three times and then they have to pay again, lol. I dodged the Sheriff too!

It was a small consolation. But I didnt want to get divorced. We had it all. Family, business, everything. Respect in the community.
 

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They both were naive and that was the way it had to be for God to bring all things into the Lord Jesus Christ. Many forget that Christ was God's goal, not a garden with two sinnless people in it.

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Yep they had no knowledge of sin or how it works. WHat is a lie?

He is trying to do something with us. A present for Jesus!
 
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Most egalitarian believers have cast off these important symbols (head coverings) and in doing so elevate themselves above the man. Paul understood the Genesis principles in 1 Corinthians 11 and expounded their virtues. Most beautiful lessons are contained there, but the egalitarian movement which has spread through the Christian world tramples all over them with their reaching upwards to take what is forbidden once more.

There now are many chapters of Pauls guidance, which have black markers through them....1 Corinthians 11 is one such chapter.

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Thankfully head covering is resurging. Im part of a facebook group for it and there's a head covering movement website that's really nice.
 

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Thankfully head covering is resurging. Im part of a facebook group for it and there's a head covering movement website that's really nice.

I've been tryng to observe that myself. Scripture says it is a dishonor for a man to pray with a hat on. So I've been trying to remember to take it off during prayer or saying grace over food. I'm doing better.
 

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If you want me to agree that some men are truely and highly evil and accept that as a concept, then you have to do the same thing and admit that you know that there some good men in the world that really do know how to love a Wife properly, or to our best ability! Will you do that?
Great question! I look forward to Mink’s admiring answer toward some men.
 
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The woman's nurture and building of her home and community get silence or mockery from feminists.
So true! They claim to favor a woman’s right to choose but patronize any woman who makes THAT choice.

One of my neighbor’s and wife’s best friend is a quintessential builder of her home and community. She has a full life and passionately pursues numerous interests. When I talk with her, the conversation is never dull - even though she never talks about a job for pay since that is not a part of her life.
 
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I've been tryng to observe that myself. Scripture says it is a dishonor for a man to pray with a hat on. So I've been trying to remember to take it off during prayer or saying grace over food. I'm doing better.
It's nice to know you are a man - MA2444 isn't very helpful
 
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Further Biblical evidence of inequality @VictoryinJesus from today's devotional reading.

Numbers 5:11-31
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Concerning an Unfaithful Wife

11 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If any man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him, 13 if a man has had intercourse with her but it is hidden from her husband, so that she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her since she was not caught in the act; 14 if a spirit of jealousy comes on him and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself, or if a spirit of jealousy comes on him and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself, 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest. And he shall bring the offering required for her, one-tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

16 “Then the priest shall bring her near and set her before the Lord; 17 the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 The priest shall set the woman before the Lord, dishevel the woman’s hair, and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. In his own hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. 19 Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, ‘If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you,’ 21 —let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman—‘the Lord make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge;[a] 22 now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen. Amen.’

23 “Then the priest shall put these curses in writing and wash them off into the water of bitterness. 24 He shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter her and cause bitter pain. 25 The priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman’s hand and shall elevate the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar, 26 and the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering as its memorial portion and turn it into smoke on the altar and afterward shall make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop,[c] and the woman shall become an execration among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children.

29 “This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when a spirit of jealousy comes on a man and he is jealous of his wife, then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall apply this entire law to her. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman shall bear her iniquity.”


Where does it say in Scripture the husband is under his wife's authority and has such a test of his faithfulness that he loses his capacity for procreation? Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity?
 

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So what's so hard for the feminists to understand that on earth, the man rules over her. I agree that women got the short end of the stick in life. Bearing children must be terrible.

But man didnt make the rules of how mankind has it's rank set up, so the feminists should just accelt life and the station that they have in earthly life, and go with the flow instead of starting wars with the men, lol. It's not Man's rules, it is the Word of God.
 
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Concerning an Unfaithful Wife
Men also are included in “the unfaithful wife” …God refers to Israel (that now is) as “the unfaithful wife”, the word speaks of “the adulterous Woman” it’s a spirit that is not men’s wives but that spirit that wars against God.
The passage you quoted in Numbers 5 is “Allegory” same as Galatians 4 which reveals two women…
Tell me you that desire to be under the law (Romans 7 will come up soon, where “by the body of Christ, you have been made free from “This is the law in cases of Jealousy when a wife under her husbands authority” being NO MORE BOUND to “your uterus dropping” …her words, the words of the wife bound under the law crying “Amen, Amen” sounds like Revelation 22:17-20 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
^notice “him” let “him” drink of the water…THE Woman you keep pointing at even in “the unfaithful Wife” is not singular but a body with many members, the same body of many members that is neither male or female, bond or free, Jew or Greek but the same “as all have went astray” all under Adam….being an unfaithful “wife” …liken yourself dead to the law of Jealousy…having passed unto the body of Christ who is THE Faithful Husband having given His body for “the Woman to be saved through child birth”
[18] For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. [20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
The woman in Numbers shall say “Amen, Amen”


Expand the lens in which you view “Woman”, the lens of Christ is renewal and freedom. How many times does God speak of “the Woman” as Jerusalem being adulterous unto God?


Galatians 4:27-31 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bear not; break forth and cry, thou that travail not: for the desolate has many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, ‘If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse
Go to Romans 7
You’ve highlighted “while under your husbands authority” …wanting women to look at themselves with guilt instead of those who remain Hold-penned and shut up “under the law, being bond to Adam” UNTIL Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Romans 7:2-4 For the woman which has an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead(crucified with Christ in the putting off of the old man), she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law(of the curse where her uterus drops (thigh rots and belly swells); so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. <this is the Free Woman that is saved from being called an adulterous Woman by the body of Christ who has been made free from “under Adam” to be under an new headship which Is Christ, to bring forth as the Woman in Numbers 5 which is “clean” free” and “bears children”


Not here does she bear fruit unto God- when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge;[a] 22 now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!’ And the woman shall say, ‘Amen. Amen.’
Although she does seem to cry to be delivered from the curse saying “Amen, Amen” ! “Even So Lord come!”
When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop,[c] and the woman shall become an execration among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children.
^KEY “But if the Woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune (will you also drink of the same Cup as Him?) and be able to conceive children. Paul said “I am in travail(conception) (again) until Christ be formed in you”. Remember when the heavens parted and the spirit of a dove come down to abide on Jesus Christ when He lifted up from under the waters, and the Father said “this is My Son, in Whom I am well pleased, Hear Him” the Woman’s “first fruit” is excellent and excels all other being born of God.
This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when a spirit of jealousy comes on a man and he is jealous of his wife, then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall apply this entire law to her. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman shall bear her iniquity.”
This law of Jealousy(for our God is a Jealous God) is “while” she is “under her husbands authority” being born of Adam bringing forth “as under the law” “sin unto death”

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Do we want to take the adulterous woman out and stone her to death? Have we forgotten Jesus stood with a woman blamed for adultery and when Jesus told “those men” him who was without sin cast the first stone, they dropped the stones and left, leaving the woman alone with Jesus Christ.

I’d be careful using numbers 5 to say “woman” are under her husband as long as he lives…forgetting, and ignoring “she has been set free from under her husband (the woman by the well, go call your husbands! I have no husband.” bringing forth sin unto death” by “the body of Christ” “Woman, if you had asked I would have given you LIVING WATER” God has done miraculous things for men and woman alike, God has done miraculous things for Jews and Greeks alike, God has done miraculous things alike for the bond and Free. Don’t take that which has been made free “the Woman above” and make reduce New Jerusalem to a female who must remain “under Her husband” to prove Gods purpose of servant unto master. You miss it’s about the Law and the New Covenant. So to love those verses referring to “under the law” instead of noticing the Hopeful part for All of us mean and women alike is “you are free to bear Children unto God”




You asked: Where does it say in Scripture the husband is under his wife's authority and has such a test of his faithfulness that he loses his capacity for procreation?
1 Corinthians 7:32-33
But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried cares for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: [33] But he that is married cares for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

that “wife” “caring for the things of this world” is (Imo) Revelation 18:7 How much she has glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she says in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Before you run back saying that is the hated feminism perspective. Consider your picking out the woman in Numbers 5 should remain under the law, bound…while neglecting what Woman and the Woman made free by the body of Christ to bear fruit unto God. Are you not doing the same as feminists in pushing a false narrative. I do think so. I wish you could see who the woman is and see what Christ has done for men and women alike. You asked how I’ve overcome feminism…this is it. This is how. What is want to help the feminism narrative to see it is the falsehood in there is not freedom in drinking of hatred and bitterness. I wish they also could see:





Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity?
 
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Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity?
Forgot this one.
Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity? 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Isaiah 53:1-6 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? [2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

men and women alike “all we like sheep have gone astray” “ men and women alike “the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all”
For as in Adam all (men and women alike)die
…even so in Christ shall all (men and women alike) be made alive.

I disagree that something is wrong with me suggesting the Proverbs 31 IS New Jerusalem (where the Wisdom of God does Not get handed down from men to men but “this Wisdom” spoke of as the Wisdom which (descends) comes down from above is given of God….New Jerusalem is pointed at above, as the Freewoman above who is made clean and saved through the childbearing of Jesus Christ which is the first fruit. There is no other to way “the woman shall be saved through childbirth” except that the birth is given of God from above and “forms Christ in you” conception from above and of God. All listed in proverbs 31 of the Woman is things Christ did for His body…purchasing a field and planting with “the fruit”, that there be increase …

… all want to learn of, or should I say all women long to learn of the proverbs 31 Woman because men want no part of the proverbs 31 except to gain benefit from her servitude as his being a master of a servant, the proverbs 31 woman. Christ is the Master who became a servant (lowered Himself) that “His body” bear fruit unto God.
 

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Where does it say in Scripture the husband is under his wife's authority and has such a test of his faithfulness that he loses his capacity for procreation? Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity?

Forgot this one.
Where does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity but the man shall bear his iniquity? 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
I didn't forget anything but it seems you did. Nowhere in your reply does it address the only 2 questions asked:
  1. Nowhere does Scripture say the husband is under his wife's authority.
  2. Nowhere does Scripture say the wife is free from iniquity.
You invoke a verse that states all die in Adam. True enough. Yet, it does not exclude the wife or women, generally, from that iniquity. These are all examples of Biblical and divine inequality.
 

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You are living a lie. "Wife" excludes men. I know you have to make up word meanings to suit your philosophy. It's pretty funny, really.
My husband wants me to ask you how you are the bride of Christ?
 
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