Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

[Ritajanice]

@Cyd ..said.

Thank you for your answer. You said not everyone is the Fathers... but He said all souls are His.


RJ...Yes, his word also says, that upon death the spirit goes back to God from whence it came, I believe, Brother.

Just like our dead flesh body goes back into the ground.

Short commentary.
The traditional non-Latter-day Saint understanding of Ecclesiastes 12:7—“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it” (KJV)—and particularly of rûaḥ as “spirit”/life breath/life force, as opposed to spirit personage (a use rarely attested in the Old Testament), ...

 

[NotTheRock]

How can an unbeliever be saved?

Some will indeed go into the Lake of Fire where they will be chastened, permitted to repent, refined, purified, and then transformed and permitted to enter God's Kingdom.

1 Corinthians 15:25
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Also, please remember the parable of the lost sheep. Jesus leaves the 99 to go save the 1 that is lost.

 

[NotTheRock]

everyone who does not believe is condemned already.

Death Row inmates are also "condemned" to be executed but some of them receive reprieves. Jesus will not lose any, although some will first have to go through the Lake of Fire.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

 

[NotTheRock]

1 Corinthians 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

It states:
...so also IN CHRSIT...shall all be made alive.
IN CHRIST.

You misunderstand my brother. The verse is explaining that all die because of Adam's sin but that all will live because of Jesus's sacrifice. Jesus's death paid for the sins of ALL people, regardless of whether or not they know or believe it.

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Some will indeed go into the Lake of Fire where they will be chastened, permitted to repent, refined, purified, and then transformed and permitted to enter God's Kingdom.

1 Corinthians 15:25
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

Also, please remember the parable of the lost sheep. Jesus leaves the 99 to go save the 1 that is lost.

He put his enemies under his feet when he sends them to hell.

The lost sheep are the true believers. a non believer is condemned already, and are not his sheep.
Does Hell scare you? Are you afraid God will carry out his justice to those who reject him here on earth?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Death Row inmates are also "condemned" to be executed but some of them receive reprieves.

No one will recieve a reprieve, Thats why Jesus came. You are spitting on the cross of God. do you realise this? Your saying he died for nothing, everyone will be saved anyway

Jesus will not lose any, although some will first have to go through the Lake of Fire.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

again, John 6 is about his disciples. His people. not the lost.

 

[NotTheRock]

You are spitting on the cross of God. do you realise this? Your saying he died for nothing, everyone will be saved anyway

You obviously don't understand the scriptures. I can share them with you but I can't make you understand them.

 

[ChristinaL]

What is the Biblical basis of that doctrine, please?

Scripture says It is appointed unto man to die once then the judgment (Heb 9:27). That really nails home the fact that there are no second chances after death. You have only this life to accept the truth

 

[ChristinaL]

Death Row inmates are also "condemned" to be executed but some of them receive reprieves. Jesus will not lose any, although some will first have to go through the Lake of Fire.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

The only people who go through the lake of fire and Christ rejecters who have aligned themselves with Satan. The lake of fire is PERMANENT. No getting out

 

[NotTheRock]

Scripture says It is appointed unto man to die once then the judgment (Heb 9:27). That really nails home the fact that there are no second chances after death. You have only this life to accept the truth

Yes. All people are immediately judged after death. Where does the verse say that the judgment is automatic damnation for non-Christians?

 

[NotTheRock]

The only people who go through the lake of fire and Christ rejecters who have aligned themselves with Satan. The lake of fire is PERMANENT. No getting out

You misunderstand the nature of God, the meaning of life, and the purpose of the Lake of Fire along with all other worldly Christians.

 

[ChristinaL]

Yes. All people are immediately judged after death. Where does the verse say that the judgment is automatic damnation for non-Christians?

I just said it you have only this life to accept Jesus and His sacrifice. You cant do it after you are dead.

 

[Taken]

Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

Because I trust to believe Gods Order and Way.

(BTW….a person AFTER he bodily dies is no longer a person, or properly called a person.
BTW…God “saves” souls, not bodies of man, not spirits of man.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[NotTheRock]

I just said it you have only this life to accept Jesus and His sacrifice. You cant do it after you are dead.

Where does the Bible say that people can't or won't choose to follow Jesus AFTER they die?

 

[NotTheRock]

Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

Because I trust to believe Gods Order and Way.

(BTW….a person AFTER he bodily dies is no longer a person, or properly called a person.
BTW…God “saves” souls, not bodies of man, not spirits of man.)

Glory to God,
Taken

Then how do all people confess that Jesus is Lord if people aren't choosing to follow Jesus after death?

 

[NotTheRock]

My apologies. I thank the Holy Spirit for giving me the gifts of understanding and discernment. One day you too will understand that God sent Jesus to fix and save ALL and that ALL will one day be in God's Kingdom.

 

[Taken]

Then how do all people confess that Jesus is Lord if people aren't choosing to follow Jesus after death?

A person is an alive human body with a living soul in it.

On judgement, all living souls shall return to their body’s and their body’s risen up….and thus, their body’s can see, hear, speak, move…etc.
Their body’s do not “RESUME” living, such as the case…in several Scriptures…like Lazarus for example…
In his case…(as some modern day experience you may of heard of they call a “near death experience”…as in clinically dead (no heart beat, no breathing), ….
They “RESUME” living, which means…their living soul returns to their body…and their BODY’S LIFE (which is it’s BLOOD) “RESUMES” living, blood flowing, heart beating.

On Judgement, body’s shall be risen when it’s living soul returns to the body. (The souls life is Gods breath)….but the body’s LIFE (BLOOD) does not return to the body.

After sentencing OF the unsaved…..Gods breath, (life of the soul)….shall return to God…
Thus…what is left…IS:
A life-LESS body
A life-LESS soul
And those thrown into the lake of fire.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

My apologies. I thank the Holy Spirit for giving me the gifts of understanding and discernment. One day you too will understand that God sent Jesus to fix and save ALL and that ALL will one day be in God's Kingdom.

That is not true.
God sent Jesus to pay for all mens sins AND OFFER all men Salvation…

Salvation is not “automatically” possessed by a man …until the man TAKES the Offering….according to Gods Order and Way.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The only people who go through the lake of fire and Christ rejecters who have aligned themselves with Satan. The lake of fire is PERMANENT. No getting out

Lifeless human souls
And
Lifeless human bodys
Will be BURNT UP in the lake of fire.

Those who remain ALIVE in the lake of fire, with no escape……are fallen angels who ARE spirits, that CAN NOT DIE.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You obviously don't understand the scriptures. I can share them with you but I can't make you understand them.

Do please enlighten me.

Please tell my why Jesus died if everyone will just be forgiven

Please tell me why jesus said we must (not an option) be born again

Please tell me why God told us numerous times where certain people who deserve destruction and Gods wrath will recieve it.

Please tell me why Jesus said the fire will never be quenched.

Instead of attacking me with your arrogance. Show me with biblical proof.