Psalm 122:6 Does NOT Refer to Jerusalem of the Zionist Israel of Today

[David in NJ]

I do see clearly. I am mindful of my own sins before I call others out on theirs. I stand by what I say. I can make mistakes but when I KNOW I havent made any I will not be broken down by people like you. Look in the mirror btw........

question: do you believe in 'pre-trib rapture' ?

 

[marks]

I know I can be pretty forceful in how I approach people. But one has to ask where did Jesus say that we have to act like a bunch of limp wristed pansies? (I know your response above wasnt written to me but, you know, just sayin' anyway)

There's a time to stand up and speak. And we also desire that those who oppose themselves in this way be able to see the truth. So we moderate our words as we believe the Spirit is leading. At the end of the day for me it's about seeing fruit from discussion, such as greater understanding, greater unity, like that. But it's not always possible.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

There's a time to stand up and speak. And we also desire that those who oppose themselves in this way be able to see the truth. So we moderate our words as we believe the Spirit is leading. At the end of the day for me it's about seeing fruit from discussion, such as greater understanding, greater unity, like that. But it's not always possible.

Much love!

TODAY, is the Day and Time to Stand and Speak TRUTH

God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated:
“Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

There are Two Options of "unity" by which a man will place himself under:
a.) Ecumenicalism where we get to keep our idols of men, church buildings, false doctrines and we all get together and sing praise
or
b.) "Thy word is Truth"

The Unity of TRUTH is only found in God's Word and is Declared, Prophesied and Prayed for, for us who Believe, by our LORD Jesus Christ

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
6“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

“I do not pray for these(Disciples) alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Let this be your prayer Today, if you hear His Voice

 

[ChristinaL]

There's a time to stand up and speak. And we also desire that those who oppose themselves in this way be able to see the truth. So we moderate our words as we believe the Spirit is leading. At the end of the day for me it's about seeing fruit from discussion, such as greater understanding, greater unity, like that. But it's not always possible.

Much love!

Much love back

 

[amigo de christo]

TODAY, is the Day and Time to Stand and Speak TRUTH

God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated:
“Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

There are Two Options of "unity" by which a man will place himself under:
a.) Ecumenicalism where we get to keep our idols of men, church buildings, false doctrines and we all get together and sing praise
or
b.) "Thy word is Truth"

The Unity of TRUTH is only found in God's Word and is Declared, Prophesied and Prayed for, for us who Believe, by our LORD Jesus Christ

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
6“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

“I do not pray for these(Disciples) alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Let this be your prayer Today, if you hear His Voice

many today follow the wrong version of unity my friend as they follow also another wrong version of love
and of peace . Think not el diablo cannot appear as an angel of light .
Nor that his minstirs can also appear as men of righteousness . We are in a Very heavy delusion my friend
and my friends . And it grows darker and more and more unify under this delusion that has led and is leading
them to THE LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

TODAY, is the Day and Time to Stand and Speak TRUTH

God again designated a certain day as “Today,” when a long time later He spoke through David as was just stated:
“Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.”

There are Two Options of "unity" by which a man will place himself under:
a.) Ecumenicalism where we get to keep our idols of men, church buildings, false doctrines and we all get together and sing praise
or
b.) "Thy word is Truth"

The Unity of TRUTH is only found in God's Word and is Declared, Prophesied and Prayed for, for us who Believe, by our LORD Jesus Christ

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
6“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

“I do not pray for these(Disciples) alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

Let this be your prayer Today, if you hear His Voice

HIS VOICE .
IF it contradicts TRUTH , it aint HIS VOICE . As i am sure you well know this my friend .
His word is truth , His Spirit is truth and GOD cannot lie .
A lie . whatever twists and omits THE WORDS of GOD and can even use certain scrips but it is using said scrips
out of text to promote a lie , a false belief , even a love that many now embrace .
Just as HE IS TRUTH , HIS LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH . but many no longer do rejoice in truth at all .
Many are rejoicing in a lie that has given this world FALSE HOPE and that will not save one soul . Very BROAD path indeed .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

2 Thess. 2:4
"so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God; not in the temple of Jerusalem, which was to be destroyed and never to be rebuilt more, and was destroyed before this man of sin was revealed; but in the church of God, so called, 1Co 3:16 the Ethiopic version renders it, "in the house of God"; for antichrist rose up out of, and in the midst of the church; and it was a true church in which he first appeared, and over which he usurped power and authority; though it has been so corrupted by him, as now to be only nominally so; here he sits, and has homage done him by his creatures, as if he was a god, and is not only styled Christ's vicar, but a god on earth, and our Lord God the Pope"

The error of this commentary is obvious. The church is not a sect or denomination, but individual people. To accept the reinterpretation of the passage one has to believe that the man of lawlessness possesses people.

Remember God said "he sits in the temple" not among the temple

Matt. 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)...the Roman army is designed; see Lu 21:20 which was the כנף שקוצים משמם, "the wing", or "army of abominations making desolate", Da 9:27. Armies are called wings, Isa 8:8 and the Roman armies were desolating ones to the Jews, and to whom they were an abomination; not only because they consisted of Heathen men, and uncircumcised persons, but chiefly because of the images of their gods, which were upon their ensigns

Sorry but armies are not called wings according to Isaiah 8. IN Isaiah the army spreads its wings but is not called wings. YOu have misinterpreted this passage. and no Romans were not any more abominable than any other goyim. And the roman armies never entered into the holy place or the holy of holies! This is another misinterpretation.

Dan 9:27
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.... this is to be interpreted of the Roman people, spoken of in the latter part of the preceding verse; who, in order to accomplish their design to destroy the city and temple of Jerusalem, made peace with many nations, entered into covenant and alliance with them, particularly the Medes, Parthians, and Armenians, for the space of one week, or seven years; as it appears they did at the beginning of this week..."
"and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; the daily sacrifice of the Jews, and all their other offerings; and which was literally fulfilled "in the half part" {m} of this week, as it may be rendered; towards the close of the latter half of it, when the city of Jerusalem, being closely besieged by Titus, what through the closeness of the siege, the divisions of the people, and the want both of time and men, and beasts to offer, the daily sacrifice ceased, as Josephus {n} says, to the great grief of the people; nor have the Jews, ever since the destruction of their city and temple, offered any sacrifice, esteeming it unlawful so to do in a strange land"
The absurd idea of separating the 70th week from the 69th week by 2000 years was an invention of 19th century Dispensationalists.

This commentary is also another misinterpretation. The "he" is one individual and not an army. God inspired a third person singular for "he".. It is men with an agenda that have reinterpreted it as armies.

And no it was not an invention of 19th century dispensationalists, but men of God who looked at the word, saw that the 70th week of Daniel has not occurred (as it even has a pause in the Daniel narrative) at any point in history. I find it sad that men of God will take the events of the first 69 weeks literally, then resort to heretical allegorical reinterpretation to make th e70th week fit into their narrative.

If they were to make it fit! It has to end no later than 37 AD as Jesus died in 30AD.

 

[ChristinaL]

The error of this commentary is obvious. The church is not a sect or denomination, but individual people. To accept the reinterpretation of the passage one has to believe that the man of lawlessness possesses people.

Remember God said "he sits in the temple" not among the temple

Sorry but armies are not called wings according to Isaiah 8. IN Isaiah the army spreads its wings but is not called wings. YOu have misinterpreted this passage. and no Romans were not any more abominable than any other goyim. And the roman armies never entered into the holy place or the holy of holies! This is another misinterpretation.

This commentary is also another misinterpretation. The "he" is one individual and not an army. God inspired a third person singular for "he".. It is men with an agenda that have reinterpreted it as armies.

And no it was not an invention of 19th century dispensationalists, but men of God who looked at the word, saw that the 70th week of Daniel has not occurred (as it even has a pause in the Daniel narrative) at any point in history. I find it sad that men of God will take the events of the first 69 weeks literally, then resort to heretical allegorical reinterpretation to make th e70th week fit into their narrative.

If they were to make it fit! It has to end no later than 37 AD as Jesus died in 30AD.

With regards to Dan 9:27 I agree with you but note there is such a thing as dual-prophecy. Some prophecies like Dan 9:27 have a dual nature to them, referring to both past and future
Agreed totally too that the 70th week is yet to come

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The "Israel" in v16 is certainly not the Christ rejecting Jews, for they are not to have "peace and mercy". If the "Israel" in v16 is only the believing remnant of Jews, you make Paul contradict himself by making the New Covenant church of God having two parts. The assembly of believers divided into Jew and Gentile makes no sense when compared to Paul's clear statement of law being abolished and the result:

Well sadly you do not follow sound hermeneutics when you have sought to understand this one passage. First with the addition of "kai" (and) it becomes a compound phrase and speaks of two people groups.

Second of all, Paul spent the entire letter contrasting the Israel of God verses those that are not. Following rules of grammar which is part of sound hermeneutics and keeping it in the context of the letter, Paul is calling a blessing upon all gentiles who walk according to the rule and also the Israel of God This is correct grammatically and hermeneutically unless one using an allegorical hermeneutic which means there can be all sorts of opinions of this passage apart from what God inspired.