When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

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You mean yours, understandably.

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The evidence is all in this thread!

Take your time and work through the examples of Spiritual principles being taught.

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If that was the case Jesus couldn't died, but you can continue believing a lie. Remember, this is after His resurrection. John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.
I would also add that Thomas didn't technically address Jesus as God. As to whether or not that is what Thomas meant, only God and Thomas would know. However, the Apostle John, in recording this event, didn't interpret Thomas as having addressed Jesus as God—at least not in the God Almighty sense of the word "God." This is probably because John himself didn't believe Jesus is God, which would mean he assumed Thomas didn't either.

Alternatively, Thomas didn't say "You are my Lord and God," and John's keen memory recalled this precisely and recorded it as such. There is also the matter of Jesus never having taught anyone that he is their God, and Jesus having identified their God already as the Father in John 20:17.

Given all the evidence, I personally believe Thomas just made a declaration and was possibly just jaw-dropped that Jesus was alive and well, despite bearing some seemingly severe injuries in his flesh. I would probably have said "My Lord and my God" in such a case as well. Who wouldn't?
 

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I would also add that Thomas didn't technically address Jesus as God. As to whether or not that is what Thomas meant, only God and Thomas would know. However, the Apostle John, in recording this event, didn't interpret Thomas as having addressed Jesus as God—at least not in the God Almighty sense of the word "God." This is probably because John himself didn't believe Jesus is God, which would mean he assumed Thomas didn't either.

Alternatively, Thomas didn't say "You are my Lord and God," and John's keen memory recalled this precisely and recorded it as such. There is also the matter of Jesus never having taught anyone that he is their God, and Jesus having identified their God already as the Father in John 20:17.

Given all the evidence, I personally believe Thomas just made a declaration and was possibly just jaw-dropped that Jesus was alive and well, despite bearing some seemingly severe injuries in his flesh. I would probably have said "My Lord and my God" in such a case as well. Who wouldn't?
No, Jesus is the Son of GOD....Fully God and Fully Man....In John 10:30. Jesus tells us this..."I and my Father are one." This was before His crucifixion and resurrection.
 
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I would also add that Thomas didn't technically address Jesus as God. As to whether or not that is what Thomas meant, only God and Thomas would know. However, the Apostle John, in recording this event, didn't interpret Thomas as having addressed Jesus as God—at least not in the God Almighty sense of the word "God." This is probably because John himself didn't believe Jesus is God, which would mean he assumed Thomas didn't either.

Alternatively, Thomas didn't say "You are my Lord and God," and John's keen memory recalled this precisely and recorded it as such. There is also the matter of Jesus never having taught anyone that he is their God, and Jesus having identified their God already as the Father in John 20:17.

Given all the evidence, I personally believe Thomas just made a declaration and was possibly just jaw-dropped that Jesus was alive and well, despite bearing some seemingly severe injuries in his flesh. I would probably have said "My Lord and my God" in such a case as well. Who wouldn't?
I just read your comments... and I thought I might ask you a question (athough I have not looked into this matter myself). Is it possible that the response from Thomas was indeed purposeful because prior to the cross, I do not believe anyone truly understand He was God on earth, but only after the cross, He would be revealed as both our Lord and our God?
 
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All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.
Jesus,my Emmanuel,was born perfect the first time.

Which is why I have his seal for eternal life .

Praise our living Christ Savior!
Selah
 
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You can prove the first but not the second.
That's a no. Though for some reason you won't bring yourself to say it. There is a reason for that.

You will not accept any proof as valid, though it is throughout the Scriptures.

You dishonor the Son, and in so doing, you dishonor the Father. Until you come to believe in the true Jesus you will not understand the Scriptures. I urge you to repent.

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Born again is a change in the body, not the mind. Go back and take a good look at those verses. Can a flesh and blood man do this?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.) Can you or can you not see the wind?

Now Paul talks about the renewing in the mind in Romans 12: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
NO. Born again is a change of heart and mind not the body. Jesus taslks of being born of water (the womb) and then of the Spirit. This is being born again. This was meant for us only. Bodily resurrection is not being born again
 
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That's a no. Though for some reason you won't bring yourself to say it. There is a reason for that.

You will not accept any proof as valid, though it is throughout the Scriptures.

You dishonor the Son, and in so doing, you dishonor the Father. Until you come to believe in the true Jesus you will not understand the Scriptures. I urge you to repent.

Much love!
There is insufficient consideration in your reply Marks - a simple no, when the Scripture provides ample teaching on the subject is poor on your part.
 

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NO. Born again is a change of heart and mind not the body. Jesus taslks of being born of water (the womb) and then of the Spirit. This is being born again. This was meant for us only. Bodily resurrection is not being born again
Now let's go to the Book of Colossians take a look at these verses.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Notice what it says, "He is the first born from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence". First means first.
 

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Jesus,my Emmanuel,was born perfect the first time.

Which is why I have his seal for eternal life .

Praise our living Christ Savior!
Selah
Let's go into Luke and see what Jesus says 31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. This is when Jesus was perfect, at the third day, his resurrection.

Please read and study your Bible and stop just posting anything! Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

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I would also add that Thomas didn't technically address Jesus as God. As to whether or not that is what Thomas meant, only God and Thomas would know. However, the Apostle John, in recording this event, didn't interpret Thomas as having addressed Jesus as God—at least not in the God Almighty sense of the word "God." This is probably because John himself didn't believe Jesus is God, which would mean he assumed Thomas didn't either.

Alternatively, Thomas didn't say "You are my Lord and God," and John's keen memory recalled this precisely and recorded it as such. There is also the matter of Jesus never having taught anyone that he is their God, and Jesus having identified their God already as the Father in John 20:17.

Given all the evidence, I personally believe Thomas just made a declaration and was possibly just jaw-dropped that Jesus was alive and well, despite bearing some seemingly severe injuries in his flesh. I would probably have said "My Lord and my God" in such a case as well. Who wouldn't?
I disagree I think you creating to much within your own thoughts on that situation. All the things that Jesus had to go through, plus healing people, etc. Thomas finally believe who Jesus was. Remember Jesus says this in John . 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Peter was one the apostles that believe from the start, some of the other apostles didn't. Let's go into Matthew 16: 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
 

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Let's go into Luke and see what Jesus says 31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. This is when Jesus was perfect, at the third day, his resurrection.

Please read and study your Bible and stop just posting anything! Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I'm not at all ashamed.

I am aware there are those who have been led to believe Jesus was a mere man. One who was blessed by holy Spirit to serve as God's messenger.
Which means they believe too then that he was born with a sin nature.

Jesus was Emmanuel. And all that that means. He was God The Word,The Father, made flesh. Born of a woman. Who was blessed to conceive him through the power of the holy spirit.

He was perfect at birth because he was without sin or the capacity to sin.
When he was perfected after those three days in the tomb, he was the example of total obedience to his purpose as Savior.

Hebrews 4:15
 
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There are many reasons, but one of them is that John 17:3 says the Father is the only true God.

NO. Born again is a change of heart and mind not the body. Jesus taslks of being born of water (the womb) and then of the Spirit. This is being born again. This was meant for us only. Bodily resurrection is not being born again
Being Born again is the New Covenant given to the Israeli people yet also to the gentiles by way of inheritance of the Vine...Ezk 36:25-27.."Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." All of GOD, None of man
 

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NO. Born again is a change of heart and mind not the body. Jesus taslks of being born of water (the womb) and then of the Spirit. This is being born again. This was meant for us only. Bodily resurrection is not being born again
Born again speaks of the regeneration that comes by being baptized (immersed) into Jesus Christ, which baptized us into His death and burial, and we share His resurrection life, which is to us new life, a spirit life that wasn't there, was dead, and is given life by Christ in us.

Much love!
 
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Now let's go to the Book of Colossians take a look at these verses.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Notice what it says, "He is the first born from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence". First means first.
Before all things (pro pantōn). Pro with the ablative case. This phrase makes Paul’s meaning plain. The precedence of Christ in time and the preeminence as Creator are both stated sharply. See the claim of Jesus to eternal timeless existence in Joh_8:58; Joh_17:5. See also Rev_22:13 where Christ calls himself the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning (archē) and the End (telos). Paul states it also in 2Co_8:9; Php_2:6.

The first born (prōtotokos). Predicate adjective again and anarthrous. This passage is parallel to the Logos passage in John 1:1-18 and to Heb_1:1-4 as well as Php_2:5-11 in which these three writers (John, author of Hebrews, Paul) give the high conception of the Person of Christ (both Son of God and Son of Man) found also in the Synoptic Gospels and even in Q (the Father, the Son). This word (lxx and N.T.) can no longer be considered purely “Biblical” (Thayer), since it is found In inscriptions (Deissmann, Light, etc., p. 91) and in the papyri (Moulton and Milligan, Vocabulary, etc.). See it already in Luk_2:7 and Aleph for Mat_1:25; Rom_8:29. The use of this word does not show what Arius argued that Paul regarded Christ as a creature like “all creation” (pāsēs ktiseōs, by metonomy the act regarded as result). It is rather the comparative (superlative) force of prōtos that is used (first-born of all creation) as in Col_1:18; Rom_8:29; Heb_1:6; Heb_12:23; Rev_1:5. Paul is here refuting the Gnostics who pictured Christ as one of the aeons by placing him before “all creation” (angels and men). Like eikōn we find prōtotokos in the Alexandrian vocabulary of the Logos teaching (Philo) as well as in the lxx. Paul takes both words to help express the deity of Jesus Christ in his relation to the Father as eikōn (Image) and to the universe as prōtotokos (First-born).

The first born of every creature (πρωτότοκος πασῆς κτίσεως)
Rev., the first-born of all creation. For first-born, see on Rev_1:5; for creation, see on 2Co_5:17. As image points to revelation, so first-born points to eternal preexistence. Even the Rev. is a little ambiguous, for we must carefully avoid any suggestion that Christ was the first of created things, which is contradicted by the following words: in Him were all things created. The true sense is, born before the creation. Compare before all things, Col_1:17. This fact of priority implies sovereignty. He is exalted above all thrones, etc., and all things are unto (εἰς) Him, as they are elsewhere declared to be unto God. Compare Psa_89:27; Heb_1:2.

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Born again speaks of the regeneration that comes by being baptized (immersed) into Jesus Christ, which baptized us into His death and burial, and we share His resurrection life, which is to us new life, a spirit life that wasn't there, was dead, and is given life by Christ in us.

Much love!
I agree and like yet, the New Covenant is there for Israel, the remnant and the OT saints at the beginning of the millennium. His Church both dead and alive have received the same as the New Covenant. The Tribulation Saints who have to die in the Name of Jesus will also be given the New Covenant as all Gentiles believers are inheritors of the vine. And finally, all those Gentiles that live through the millennium will also receive the New Covenant at the end of their 100 years sanctification period. If you are talking of Immersion into water, that is a works and will not be admitted into heaven.
 

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Not just the feasts bro. Everything associated with the sanctuary had specific meaning. It's a great study, and the more you learn about the sanctuary, the more you learn about Jesus. Throughout the Gospels, Jesus pointed to the sanctuary as evidence of Who He was.
“39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. ”
John 5:39-40 KJV